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tetsuo posted:Where'd you get that nugget of a first sentence from? On average, players are rated ~ 1600, men and women. That's the ELO system for you. I know there's a huge gulf at the highest level and specifically said it in my post. Khorne fucked around with this message at 12:16 on Sep 18, 2017 |
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Women may not be able to chess-dunk that much, but their chess-fundamentals are really top notch.
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Khorne posted:Men and women participating in the same ELO system can have different average ELOs it turns out. The average female player has a ~50 higher ELO than a man under some constraints. There's at least one research paper on it. You could argue it's because chess isn't a popular hobby for women and the type of woman to play chess is self-selecting to be better than the average man who plays chess. You could argue women develop faster than men, because I think the constraints were for players in school at some level. I only linked the ratings table to show the gulf at present, not to say you didn't say there wasn't.
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tetsuo posted:I'm not arguing anything. I was agreeing with you in the main that the difference is likely not some lovely biotruth. Your edits lead me to believe this paper is youth or young adult focused, which tbh I'm not too concerned about. I only linked the ratings table to show the gulf at present. Khorne fucked around with this message at 12:27 on Sep 18, 2017 |
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Klyith posted:MLM schemes target women because women tend to have bigger and stronger social networks than men. It's a scam that parasitizes social networks, so it goes to the best host. One of the first "job interviews" I got out of school was with Axa Advisors. Commission only sales job slinging really lovely financial products. In the interview, you get talked up about how good the money is, flexible the schedule, etc etc I did some googling and it becomes really obvious how lovely the place is. You have to pay for space to rent in the office, for a computer and software only from them, pay for mentorship, etc I went to the second interview anyways. One of the first things the dude asked me was to list all friends and family I could sell too. I just walked out.
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I went to a big ol' MLM presentation once. Well. Not just once. My family were deep in their various grips, bouncing from one to the next. I never bought anything, but I sat through a few different ones just to get them off my back. The last one was the most memorable. They had the same presentation about their various double-diamond-superplatinum levels. And the cruises you could go on. The product is great - but, really, it's not about the product. What's really great is the cruise! Say it to yourself. You're going on the cruise! Then they had a big screen showing their big concert-like parties. It's lot of fun being in an MLM, I guess. Kind of like being a fan of a rock band. Or maybe a cult. Then they played a celebrity endorsement. Famous guy up on that screen, telling us how great the company is. After the celebrity endorsement, the top MLM guy told us all, "See that? That's how you know we're legitimate. Sure, you could go home and 'research' us. But why bother? Don't you think he already researched us better than you'd ever manage to? You know what sort of people he's got working for him!" That MLM scam was called ACN and their celebrity endorsement guy is the current president. I love our timeline.
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:Women may not be able to chess-dunk that much, but their chess-fundamentals are really top notch.
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KMART THE MOVIE posted:It's weird how it's the educational systems fault and yet... Men and women attend the same exact school and have the same education, but women are getting scammed at a MUCH higher rate then men....... Perhaps there are other factors involved here
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And yet Bitcoin participants are overwhelmingly men. 
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Sep 18, 2017 13:31
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Blurry Gray Thing posted:I went to a big ol' MLM presentation once. Well. Not just once. My family were deep in their various grips, bouncing from one to the next. I never bought anything, but I sat through a few different ones just to get them off my back. I think that Trump actually used to have his own branded MLM, it was called the "The Trump Network" but it doesn't seem to exist anymore and reading reports it seems to have gone out of business before he ran for president. Must have been during the Trump University era, bloody bizarre how these things end up. MLM threads at SA used to be a lot of fun and I learned a lot about them, one of my mates fell for one but from reading the old threads I knew how to handle him. I knew that trying to talk sense into him would just make him not want to see me anymore and eventually he'll get to the point where he'll have to give it up (and it seems like at this point no one ever wants to talk about it again). Sure enough, after a year or two he stops talking about it on Facebook, removes any records from it, and quickly changes the subject when I ask him what happened. Seems like the cycle is pretty consistent.
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The girls chess league will start getting their numbers up now that they're letting Transwomen play. 
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Women fall for these MLM schemes because they are the ones targeted by them. Men don't fall for them because they are not targeted.
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We all get scammed, it's just not as visible when you're not a SAHM in an MLM. My sucker moment was believing working harder at a corporation would lead to recognition or compensation, or believing that people are fundamentally good. See, we can all be a bit silly!
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3 words: Lingerie Chess League
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Duckbox posted:Lol, why would you have a Women's Chess League? Are the pieces too heavy for their delicate wrists? Housewives got really into chess because they had nothing to do all day so to protect mens precious feelings from getting checkmated by bored housefraus they split it into mens and womens.
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I remember reading somewhere that studies have shown men actually play better when playing against a girl.......... It's probably in that study the op was gonna post........ But since he's probated now I guess we are put of luck as they say...................... a star war betamax fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Sep 18, 2017 |
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Sep 18, 2017 15:35
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Does having kids make you stupid or do you have to be stupid to have kids? One of life's famous 'chicken and egg' problems
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Sep 18, 2017 15:36
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Weed is the only good MLM scheme
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univbee posted:And yet Bitcoin participants are overwhelmingly men. I remember the story of a camgirl shunning away a bitcoiner by asking him basic economic questions he was unable to answer. Pivotal Lever posted:Weed is the only good MLM scheme Hell yeah.
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My girlfriend is a lawyer for *Big MLM Company* and it's the one thing I cannot talk to her about without it becoming a big argument. Apparently their corporate staff are treated really well, have great compensation and benefits and are contractually prohibited from participating in any of their pyramid selling scams (they do get free samples though). Her and her friends on the legal team are all career lawyers though, I don't think any of them are like actually in the cult, they just move between companies and that one happened to be hiring. If I bring up the Jon Oliver episode on MLMs are talk about "pyramid scams" in their presence they get really offended and talk down to me like I'm really in immature or don't "get it." They're all otherwise pretty normal lawyers, though and very nice!
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I have a relative who does the R&F thing and they must be good at the scamming or whatever because they do alright monetarily it seems
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Ginette Reno posted:I have a relative who does the R&F thing and they must be good at the scamming or whatever because they do alright monetarily it seems It's typically ~1% or so that do end up doing well if they have a huge social network that they convince/scam into joining up. So it's not impossible that he actually got really lucky. If literally NO ONE had a chance to be successful, then their house of cards would fall apart. As long as there is a unicorn they can point to driving a brand new Lexus, people believe. It's still a scam. Funnily enough I've unknowingly infiltrated a girls tupperware party before, as a guy. Girl I was seeing at the time dragged me to one. Thankfully she wasn't the one shilling the products but it was one of her friends. And I was told I was just going to a normal party where a bunch of her friends would be. Apparently the girl shilling it hounded her friends to bring as many of their other friends/acquittances to this party as well. "The party" was filling the whole house with the dumb MLM tupperware and booklets, and then watching the demos. I didn't buy any of that poo poo of course. There was just ONE other dude there. We exchanged sad looks. Rad Russian fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Sep 18, 2017 |
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Anecdotal evidence based entirely on my Facebook feed suggests women are more likely to shill for Plexus and Shakeology, while men are more likely to shill for Herbalife and ItWorks! Also, OP sucks this thread sucks hth
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I would say this is a sexist assumption except as we speak all the women in my girlfriend's family are dumping tens of thousands of dollars into this poo poo to get "car qualified' instead of just buying a loving car, while all of the men in her family are 'doubters and cynics' because it sounds loving stupid.
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TsarZiedonis posted:My girlfriend is a lawyer for *Big MLM Company* and it's the one thing I cannot talk to her about without it becoming a big argument. Apparently their corporate staff are treated really well, have great compensation and benefits and are contractually prohibited from participating in any of their pyramid selling scams (they do get free samples though). your girlfriend is a bad person if she is actually defending the lovely mlm company she helps gently caress people over
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Inept posted:your girlfriend is a bad person if she is actually defending the lovely mlm company she helps gently caress people over he did say she's a lawyer
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You know what MLM scheme a lot of men get suckered into doing for way too much money? THAT'S RIGHT.    RELATIONSHIPS
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TsarZiedonis posted:If I bring up the Jon Oliver episode on MLMs are talk about "pyramid scams" in their presence they get really offended and talk down to me like I'm really in immature or don't "get it." They're all otherwise pretty normal lawyers, though and very nice! lmao but it is a pyramid scheme. The fact that they get butthurt about it is, if anything, supportive evidence. They're obv trying to convince themselves they aren't defending a shithouse scam company when they are.
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Yestermoment posted:You know what MLM scheme a lot of men get suckered into doing for way too much money? I wish I was at the top of the pyramid like Chad.
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COMRADES posted:lmao but it is a pyramid scheme. The fact that they get butthurt about it is, if anything, supportive evidence. They're obv trying to convince themselves they aren't defending a shithouse scam company when they are. everybody has something negative to say about pyramid schemes, but they seem to have worked out pretty well for the egyptians!
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Mozi posted:everybody has something negative to say about pyramid schemes, but they seem to have worked out pretty well for the egyptians! Ransacked by whites including having mummy unwrapping parties and having a totally dead language we've had to rebuild from half a surviving document, culminating in being the antagonists in an Assassin's Creed game. Yes, that's a great measure of success.
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call to action posted:We all get scammed, it's just not as visible when you're not a SAHM in an MLM. My sucker moment was believing working harder at a corporation would lead to recognition or compensation, or believing that people are fundamentally good. See, we can all be a bit silly! i guess you'll never be the head of that major corporation
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At my previous job my poor as poo poo immigrant coworker got roped into a dumbass aloe vera mlm by the glorified secretary on front desk duty. That old bitch had no issues exploiting an obviously vulnerable woman for profit, it was pretty sad.
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COMRADES posted:lmao but it is a pyramid scheme. The fact that they get butthurt about it is, if anything, supportive evidence. They're obv trying to convince themselves they aren't defending a shithouse scam company when they are. Yeah, I think being condescending is just a basic lawyer defense tactic and they rely on most people being intimidated by them.
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Are MLMs prevalent outside of America? They seem to prey on uniquely American traits
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unpacked robinhood posted:At my previous job my poor as poo poo immigrant coworker got roped into a dumbass aloe vera mlm by the glorified secretary on front desk duty. Maybe it was actually good jacking lotion. I'd join a MLM if it had good jacking lotion.
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call to action posted:Are MLMs prevalent outside of America? They seem to prey on uniquely American traits Theyre all over China, and most do their biggest business there now.
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call to action posted:Are MLMs prevalent outside of America? They seem to prey on uniquely American traits My anecdote doesn't happen in the US but yeah I hadn't seen any MLM irl or on social media before
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Barudak posted:Theyre all over China, and most do their biggest business there now. China is asia's America
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call to action posted:Are MLMs prevalent outside of America? They seem to prey on uniquely American traits Mlms are huge in Asia and Latin America
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