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I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011


tesilential posted:

At least go google "boil"

Id rather die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! just kidding. youre right and im wrong

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Untrustable
Mar 16, 2009

Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!


Fat Twitter Man posted:

I'm infected with aids

Aleksander Emelienanko? Or was that Hep C that kept him from fighting in the U.S.?

CRISPYBABY
Dec 15, 2007

*~ayoo comin thru~*


Fat Twitter Man posted:

I'm infected with aids

I gently caress every day

Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

Captain Log posted:

"I AINT DYING! Choo choo motherfucker!"


Fun Shoe

Untrustable posted:

Aleksander Emelienanko? Or was that Hep C that kept him from fighting in the U.S.?

Hep C was the official unofficial rumour. But it's loving Aleksander, he probably has black death or Russian super aids. That's a thing, right?

Radical 90s Wizard
Aug 5, 2008

~SS-18 burning bright,
Bathe me in your cleansing light~


tesilential posted:

It wasn't in his blood. A boil is basically a giant painful pimple usually confined to a pore(s).

idgi, a boil isn't the same as staph at all

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

Cabana's legal advice?
I'm bourgeoisie.
I... hit the shitty
firemans carry knee.


BJJ magic at ATT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkqIe3eK83I

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

You're a credit to your community!

Radical 90s Wizard posted:

idgi, a boil isn't the same as staph at all

Boils are staph and/or other bacteria infecting hair follicles, aka what Kevin lee had on his chest from shaving his pecs.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014




Pillbug

I just asked a doctor-

A staph infection can be in the skin, and it can spread to the blood. If it's at the "boil" stage it's probably not in the blood. If it becomes bacteremic, i.e. gets into the blood) it's likely that he'd be way way way too hosed up to fight, being septic and all.

tesilential
Nov 22, 2004

You're a credit to your community!

Zactly. Kevin wouldn't be walking with a blood infection.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014




Pillbug

Also a shower is exactly how to remove another person's dermal flora after close athletic contact - emulsify all of those oils and rinse em away with the kooties in there. Regular soap is good, but in a case like this, in which skin-to-skin staph exposure is confirmed and damaged skin is almost certain, chlorhexedine is probably the way to go.

Bluedeanie
Jul 20, 2008

It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?



We could argue about who understands the medical details of staph all day, but ultimately it would still be stupid of the NSAC not to do anything about this, just because Lee blatantly committed perjury on a form of theirs and admitted to it publicly immediately after and letting that slide would be a bad precedent.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005



Nap Ghost

Bluedeanie posted:

We could argue about who understands the medical details of staph all day, but ultimately it would still be stupid of the NSAC not to do anything about this, just because Lee blatantly committed perjury on a form of theirs and admitted to it publicly immediately after and letting that slide would be a bad precedent.

Exactly.

Also UFC medical probably knew. He hid it from the AC. The UFC had some sort of idea because they were telling DC to shut up about it.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

He is I, and I am him


Bluedeanie posted:

it would still be stupid of the NSAC not to do anything about this

Ah ok, so nothing will happen.

Bluedeanie
Jul 20, 2008

It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?



kimbo305 posted:

Ah ok, so nothing will happen.

Im not saying they will, just that it will be stupid of them not to.

Work Friend Keven
Oct 24, 2015

I'M A BIG STUPID IDIOT WHO GETS TRIGGERED FROM THE WORDS SPORTS BALL AND HAS SHIT OPINIONS ABOUT CARD GAMES. ALSO I SAID I WAS GOING TO QUIT HEARTHSTONE OUT OF SPITE OF A TAIWANESE WINNING THE CHAMPIONSHIP SO REPORT ME IF YOU SEE ME POST IN A HS THREAD


He committed purjury!

Work Friend Keven
Oct 24, 2015

I'M A BIG STUPID IDIOT WHO GETS TRIGGERED FROM THE WORDS SPORTS BALL AND HAS SHIT OPINIONS ABOUT CARD GAMES. ALSO I SAID I WAS GOING TO QUIT HEARTHSTONE OUT OF SPITE OF A TAIWANESE WINNING THE CHAMPIONSHIP SO REPORT ME IF YOU SEE ME POST IN A HS THREAD


What kind of loser do you have to be to, as a grown man, stomp your feet and demand strangers get in trouble for the crime of not pulling out of a fight for you to watch lol.

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.


lol ikr

Triticum Guzzler
Jun 16, 2002


tesilential posted:

Zactly. Kevin wouldn't be walking with a blood infection.

I assure you that you can

The NSAC medic noted that Kevin was tachycardic, but his blood pressure was pretty normal. If the elevated heart rate was due to severe dehydration, usually you see a compensatory response with massive amounts of catecholamines (ie adrenaline/noradrenaline) so you can get an insane heart rate and relatively normal blood pressure because the body is constricting peripheral circulation. You can't really delineate a sweaty guy with a messed up heart rate because he has a bad infection from one that has hypertiramisic dehydration, especially if you have no reason to suspect infection. But on the balance of probabilities he was just dehydrated and since he didn't look faint and an nsac doctor's job is to make the nsac money without anyone dying they didn't do anything massively wrong or negligent letting him squeeze out an extra lb.

He had a bump on his chest covered in makeup and was dehydrated. If the blogosphere cries about this particular case enough all that happens is they call Kevin Lee in for a hearing because he made them look bad and gets a time served suspension and his pay cheque takes a haircut. Anyway I'm going back to the gym. Later

Bluedeanie
Jul 20, 2008

It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?



Work Friend Keven posted:

What kind of loser do you have to be to, as a grown man, stomp your feet and demand strangers get in trouble for the crime of not pulling out of a fight for you to watch lol.

Cool, except I am not saying he should get in trouble, I am saying it would be a stupid precedent for the nsac to do nothing and just let people say whatever on their medical forms

Work Friend Keven
Oct 24, 2015

I'M A BIG STUPID IDIOT WHO GETS TRIGGERED FROM THE WORDS SPORTS BALL AND HAS SHIT OPINIONS ABOUT CARD GAMES. ALSO I SAID I WAS GOING TO QUIT HEARTHSTONE OUT OF SPITE OF A TAIWANESE WINNING THE CHAMPIONSHIP SO REPORT ME IF YOU SEE ME POST IN A HS THREAD


Oh right, it's The Rules. Where's your hall pass.

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

Smashed before noon


Work Friend Keven posted:

What kind of loser do you have to be to, as a grown man, stomp your feet and demand strangers get in trouble for the crime of not pulling out of a fight for you to watch lol.

I feel like "reckless endangerment" might be a real-life crime

But to be honest I'd rather see the UFC punished than Kevin, since Dana going after fighters who drop for medical reasons could constitute creating an unsafe work environment.

Vengarr fucked around with this message at Oct 18, 2017 around 15:53

Gay Horney
Feb 9, 2013


Vengarr posted:

I feel like "reckless endangerment" might be a real-life crime

But to be honest I'd rather see the UFC punished than Kevin, since Dana going after fighters who drop for medical reasons could constitute creating an unsafe work environment.

Kicking someone in the head is a lot more recklessly endangering than maybe getting them with a little germs

Skip My Posts
Aug 15, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


If the boil popped he essentially “raped” him, which I feel is a real-life crime

Dr. Abysmal
Feb 17, 2010

We're all doomed

I wonder if a staph boil popping mid-fight would fall under the jurisdiction of the new DQ for pissing or making GBS threads yourself rule

I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011


Bluedeanie posted:

Cool, except I am not saying he should get in trouble, I am saying it would be a stupid precedent for the nsac to do nothing and just let people say whatever on their medical forms

its better not to blame the fighter here cos theres a lot of pressure to show up and do your job when you can lose it at any time for any reason. they should have caught it during the medical check or then whats the point in having them

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005



Nap Ghost

They didn't catch it at the medical check because he actively concealed it from them.

Bluedeanie
Jul 20, 2008

It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?



I.N.R.I posted:

its better not to blame the fighter here cos theres a lot of pressure to show up and do your job when you can lose it at any time for any reason. they should have caught it during the medical check or then whats the point in having them

That is also fair. I just also think whats the point in requiring fighters to sign disclosures if theres no incentive to be truthful on them

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014




Pillbug

The best-case (see: funniest) scenario is that we get a fightpass broadcast NSAC meeting (which they don't do anymore ) in which Kevin Lee cites on record what Dana did to Amanda Nunes and others as the reason that he didn't withdraw or disclose.

I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011


Mr. Nice! posted:

They didn't catch it at the medical check because he actively concealed it from them.

im sure weve all used foundation to hide a hickey or something when we were teenagers but hiding a 2-3 inch diameter boil from a physical examiner seems a bit challenging

Auron
Jan 10, 2002
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lot of pissy eyes around here about something nobody else gives a poo poo about.

lets talk about how "fat" george st. pierre is again...chunker

Skip My Posts
Aug 15, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


Mr. Nice! posted:

They didn't catch it at the medical check because he actively concealed it from them.

He’s not a doctor he didn’t know what it was for sure

red19fire
May 26, 2010


If by some miracle Jones gets a slap on the wrist, Dana 'owes him a fight'

quote:

The United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) has yet to decide on the fate of Jon Jones’ fighting career. After his second PED-related drug test failure that happened at UFC 214 last July, the former UFC light heavyweight champion is facing a possible four-year suspension.

But if by some chance USADA gives him a mere slap in the wrist, Dana White says he would still need to honor Jones’ UFC contract.

“Legally, USADA would have to handle this thing, and whatever USADA says, he’s gonna have to follow that punishment, because they work hand-in-hand with the athletic commission, whether it’s Nevada, California, or wherever it might be, which is essentially the government,” White told Sports Illustrated’s Maggie Gray. “So the government works with USADA, and they figure out what the ban is gonna be.”

“If it came back that Jon Jones would get a three-month suspension, legally, I owe him a fight. I legally owe him a fight. I have a contract with the guy.”

Fighters like Michael Bisping believe that Jones should be slapped with a lifetime ban for his history of taking performance enhancing drugs. White says he does not disagree, but when asked if the UFC would put in a clause that would break contract obligations if fighters fail drug tests multiple times as Jones did, the UFC president says it can only happen in the most ideal setting.

“In a perfect world, that sounds awesome,” White said. “This isn’t a perfect world.”

Doesn't Dana cancel contracts for pettier reasons than '3 drug pops in as many years'? Maybe Jones has a better contract than the average $10k win/show journeyman but come on, Dana's done better people much dirtier.

kensei
Dec 27, 2007

He has come home, where he belongs. The Ancient Mariner returns to lead his first team to glory, forever and ever. Amen!



If the notorious Jon Jones doesn't get a fight if his suspension is overturned, I would be shocked. His name recognition will be at an all time high and the UFC will cast him as the heel.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014




Pillbug

red19fire posted:

If by some miracle Jones gets a slap on the wrist, Dana 'owes him a fight'


Doesn't Dana cancel contracts for pettier reasons than '3 drug pops in as many years'? Maybe Jones has a better contract than the average $10k win/show journeyman but come on, Dana's done better people much dirtier.

It's because he doesn't want Jones as a free agent fighting for other promotions. From what I've gleaned from the Nick Diaz stuff, the contracts have a clause that the UFC needs to periodically offer fights if the fighter is eligible, or else the contract is void. What this whole thing means is that if Jones becomes eligible again, an offer will come.

Scott Coker doesn't get an erection at the thought of signing Josh Grispi, so Josh Grispi gets the boot. But Dana needs to keep a tighter leash on guys like Jones or even Josh Barnett, who have value as commodities to the competition. The UFC has too much to lose in terms of finance and legitimacy if Jones ends up in Bellator or Rizin - arguably more than they have to lose by keeping him on the roster.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

Cabana's legal advice?
I'm bourgeoisie.
I... hit the shitty
firemans carry knee.


kensei posted:

If the notorious Jon Jones doesn't get a fight if his suspension is overturned, I would be shocked. His name recognition will be at an all time high and the UFC will cast him as the heel.

Problem with Jones is even if he's cleared you just know he's going to pop the next time again to be cleared again. You can't have faith in "THIS TIME IT WILL BE OK"

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

He is I, and I am him


Bluedeanie posted:

Cool, except I am not saying he should get in trouble, I am saying it would be a stupid precedent for the nsac to do nothing and just let people say whatever on their medical forms

I'm saying NSAC is stupid and only cares about money.

GTO
Sep 16, 2003



Auron posted:

lot of pissy eyes around here about something nobody else gives a poo poo about.

lets talk about how "fat" george st. pierre is again...chunker

Yeah. You can tell it's got bad when work friend keven has to do a non joke post

Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

Captain Log posted:

"I AINT DYING! Choo choo motherfucker!"


Fun Shoe

Fight physicals are basically WWII army physicals.

Are you dead? Maybe? Whatever here is some Tylenol, praise Jesus.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005



Nap Ghost

I.N.R.I posted:

im sure weve all used foundation to hide a hickey or something when we were teenagers but hiding a 2-3 inch diameter boil from a physical examiner seems a bit challenging

He had makeup on for the weigh in, too. There's no reason to believe that he couldn't get it covered well enough to pass. The doc isn't necessarily touching them for any more than to check for vitals.

Skip My Posts posted:

He’s not a doctor he didn’t know what it was for sure

He was on antibiotics for it. He knew exactly what was on his chest.

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Skip My Posts
Aug 15, 2005

by FactsAreUseless


Mr. Nice! posted:

He had makeup on for the weigh in, too. There's no reason to believe that he couldn't get it covered well enough to pass. The doc isn't necessarily touching them for any more than to check for vitals.


He was on antibiotics for it. He knew exactly what was on his chest.

He’s not a doctor. What are antibiotics

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