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i think most people understand the carrier argument as it pertains to the persian gulf and the probability of iran overwhelming any nearby aircraft carriers with anti-ship missiles and small boats
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Jul 10, 2020 22:20
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Lightning Knight posted:I don’t see why China would be building carriers tbh. Isn’t much of Cold War carrier doctrine obsolete due to the advancement of long range missile technology? carriers let you bully the poo poo out of lesser armed nations see: america
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Jul 10, 2020 22:33
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Lightning Knight posted:I don’t have anything to say in response to this or disagree but I am posting to acknowledge that I read it and it was interesting. The more or less ignored the fact that China has a very large number of missile boats and frigates that makes it very difficult for a fleet to really get anywhere near the Chinese coastline since they would also be backed up by Chinese fighters and AA defenses that would also certainly have longer range and capabilities that US battle groups. It is also why the US had to pull in 2 battle groups recently just to show the flag in the South China Sea (usually we only have 3-4 groups total in the world ready for deployment.) My point is that not only a robust "green water" navy, but it is rapidly building up its blue water capabilities.
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Jul 10, 2020 22:35
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Spergin Morlock posted:yes but how many african nations have that technology? carriers these days aren't really useful for projecting power against other powerful nations, but there are dozens of them where a carrier is still a genuine threat its this, carriers are modern gunboat diplomacy. they are purely an imperial tool.
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Jul 10, 2020 23:09
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:its this, carriers are modern gunboat diplomacy. they are purely an imperial tool. Just like Soviet Carriers...
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Jul 10, 2020 23:43
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Ardennes posted:Just like Soviet Carriers... the proud soviets would never stoop to imperialism, that's why they only had heavy aircraft cruisers, duh 
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Jul 11, 2020 00:39
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What is a "small boat" going to do to a carrier. How do you think this stuff works.
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Jul 11, 2020 02:07
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Throatwarbler posted:What is a "small boat" going to do to a carrier. "what is this small ticking box on the road going to do to my MRAP"
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Jul 11, 2020 02:50
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Grapplejack posted:That owns, do they keep up the style inside too? They didn't go out of their way to do so, but because the lighting is so low and there are no windows it still feels oppressive as hell inside anyway
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Jul 11, 2020 02:55
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Throatwarbler posted:What is a "small boat" going to do to a carrier. i don’t think they’d send one
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Jul 11, 2020 02:58
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hows the uss cole doing these days anyway
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Jul 11, 2020 02:58
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THS posted:hows the uss cole doing these days anyway Fine? it’s still in active service. but yeah because al qaeda managed to lightly damage an American destroyer while it was refueling in dock, aircraft carriers are obsolete, and no navy ever messed with Yemen again.
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Jul 11, 2020 03:09
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i definitely remember your username, as the guy who jacks off to US military hardware and has tom clancy hallucinations about how it’s literally impossible for a carrier to be overwhelmed by missiles lol
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Jul 11, 2020 03:11
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THS posted:i definitely remember your username, as the guy who jacks off to US military hardware and has tom clancy hallucinations about how it’s literally impossible for a carrier to be overwhelmed by missiles lol When I posted, I knew. ------------------------ Anyway, Chinese Missile boats are designed to surprisingly enough...overwhelm a ships with volumes of fire. When you combine that with large numbers of frigates (small capital ships also with anti-ship missiles) and destroyers (even larger ones) you start getting increasing volumes of fire. Then you add in land-based systems you get even more capability. PRC generally has its defensive capability already down, and it has a huge green-water navy. Their project nw they are amassing a huge blue-water navy to go alongside that and that is much more about power projection to openly contest the US. Also, Iran is doing the same thing, but they really don't need a blue-water navy to make the Persian gulf a death trap. The Russians are somewhere in between with an aging blue-water fleet but a potent submarine force and green water capabilities. Luckily, the US has pissed off everyone at the same time. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 03:36 on Jul 11, 2020 |
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Jul 11, 2020 03:26
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welp you got me. I’m the America apologist itt.
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Jul 11, 2020 03:32
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Oh, Palmer. He's committed, I have to give him that. I remember when I was still allowed on the site he mods, I inadvertently managed to provoke him so badly by mildly criticizing a neo-con "Chinese Dissident" that his fellows had to ban him temporarily for appearance's sake.
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Jul 11, 2020 06:33
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liquidity flowing into yuan assets as well as markets with close ties to china. yuan appreciates in value. i.e. the world is betting that china will lead the world out of the slump: https://twitter.com/economics/status/1281435886597611520 oh hey does anyone here like rihanna? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fvUnPl5_BA
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Jul 11, 2020 08:15
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Grapplejack posted:The phillipines, angry at forums poster brutalist McDonald's, creates a challenger 
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Jul 11, 2020 08:24
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Good military strategy talk comrades
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Jul 11, 2020 16:06
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GoutPatrol posted:Good military strategy talk comrades hey i used to be a war nerd. sometimes i revert to old habits, i’ve been under a lot of stress lately
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Jul 11, 2020 18:52
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GoutPatrol posted:Good military strategy talk comrades It is necessary sometimes to put things into focus.
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Jul 11, 2020 19:13
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hot take: it would probably be problematic for the us navy to project air power against PRC military targets.
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Jul 11, 2020 19:19
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THS posted:hey i used to be a war nerd. sometimes i revert to old habits, i’ve been under a lot of stress lately 
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Jul 11, 2020 19:45
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:oh... we're not having a war nerd discussion? you know i just finished this first volume in a whole series that i was going to talk about in depth... lmao
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Jul 11, 2020 20:22
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I was never really a war nerd myself, but I am a cyber security nerd. Maybe we can bridge the gap. How have China and the US been doing when it comes to digital warfare?
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Jul 12, 2020 00:50
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BrokenGameboy posted:I was never really a war nerd myself, but I am a cyber security nerd. Maybe we can bridge the gap. How have China and the US been doing when it comes to digital warfare? Pretty good. China does more direct hacks but the US is very good at leaving worms and poo poo all over the place
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Jul 12, 2020 01:22
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BrokenGameboy posted:I was never really a war nerd myself, but I am a cyber security nerd. Maybe we can bridge the gap. How have China and the US been doing when it comes to digital warfare? the chinese government likes to outsource a lot of work to local nerds who are usually pretty good (unlike some of their underpaid staff) meanwhile the us has historically sucked at cybersecurity (and still sucks in a lot of places like the FBI) but theyre good at actually loving with chinese government systems think there was a case some years ago where the NSA backhacked some chinese intelligence op so badly they were using their own cameras to observe them
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Jul 12, 2020 01:24
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then again most chinese spying is basically just paying government contractors in crytocurrency to copy stuff and email it so they dont gotta try too hard
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Jul 12, 2020 01:26
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Bro Dad posted:then again most chinese spying is basically just paying government contractors in crytocurrency to copy stuff and email it so they dont gotta try too hard Hey man, if it works...
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Jul 12, 2020 01:30
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Bro Dad posted:then again most chinese spying is basically just paying government contractors in crytocurrency to copy stuff and email it so they dont gotta try too hard it's like how most hacking is just calling up the local schlub and asking him for the password since you got locked out
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Jul 12, 2020 01:32
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znp9CMHcssk
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Jul 12, 2020 06:11
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SKULL.GIF posted:it's like how most hacking is just calling up the local schlub and asking him for the password since you got locked out county password inspector
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Jul 12, 2020 06:22
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https://twitter.com/catcontentonly/status/1280703561911992320
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Jul 12, 2020 10:04
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check this out to die instantly
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Jul 12, 2020 10:06
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Haha I misread Atheltic as Atheistic and got super confused.
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Jul 12, 2020 10:42
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:liquidity flowing into yuan assets as well as markets with close ties to china. yuan appreciates in value. i.e. the world is betting that china will lead the world out of the slump: Interesting. The fundamental change would be the yuan being allowed to appreciate beyond it's managed floating range. If we see it fall pass it's traditional floor of $1 = ¥7 without intervention like in 2015 that would a real shift.
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Jul 12, 2020 10:43
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And of course the libertarian wife is pestering Naomi Wu.
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Jul 12, 2020 10:58
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https://twitter.com/melissakchan/status/1282219957871230976?p=v
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Jul 12, 2020 16:53
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https://twitter.com/IndieWire/status/1282167047204397059/photo/1 i too associate the hong kong protests with gay travelogue movies
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Jul 12, 2020 17:00
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lol the chinese students I know all got care packages of masks mailed from the embassy a while back when no one could get any masks in this dumb country. I'm surprised Chinese students didn't have to register their US address already by default.
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Jul 12, 2020 17:20
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