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genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

To be a reserve currency you have to run silly deficits. Where are the reserves supposed to come from otherwise?

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genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

R. Guyovich posted:

incidentally this is why china will dominate 5g. they started work early and they use the cheaper, better wireless bands that the us has reserved for its military.

What even is the point of 5G? Am I the only one who can live without streaming 4k porn on my 6'' devices?

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

LimburgLimbo posted:

Oh thank goodness, must be alright then. Everybody knows western nations are infallible and good.

Not the biggest fan of China, but I doubt mandatory schooling is the biggest evil here?

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Kurnugia posted:

Didn't the US and canada use mandatory schooling as one of their tools in the cultural and quite literal genocide against indian tribes?

Every nation state in Europe exists because they introduced mandatory schooling. Don't think that is an overstatement. By the very nature of the beast a state relies on a certain level of coercion.
Though that probably has little to do with what's going on in Xichuang currently.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Lightning Knight posted:

the real power socialist move is for Xi to declare Bernie the rightful American president and invade the US

Aliexpress now exclusively delivers to one of the only legitimate US president's three houses.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Grapplejack posted:

I wonder if Russia ever gets salty about being totally usurped by China on the world stage

Wait till you hear about the Sino-Soviet spli.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Zodium posted:

every day I thank the CCP for keeping my friends in HK safe from the CIA's tanks

two hours every morning including wind down. then i lift

Thank you foryourservice.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

R. Guyovich posted:

since the calls of "please invade us president xi" are made by imperial chapo leftists who think china is double hitler im gonna go ahead and say those are jokes

Please don't revoke my tankie card, but I'd imagine the HK protesters are just as sincere if they call for Trump to invade. China is not Venezuela, the US can't do poo poo and most everyone should know this.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

https://twitter.com/mahobili/status/1183047991717961728

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Grapplejack posted:

I think Japan is genuinely trying to re-establish itself in the region, hence all the recent poo poo over article 9. The US is a useful Ally for this, because China is a regional rival and Japan can play them up to get things.

I always thought it was the opposite. Getting rid of article 9 allows Japan to sell larger scale military involvement in the US' postcolonial ventures for favors. It's basically the crusade mechanic from ck.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Throatwarbler posted:

lol I love the idea that President Donald Trump is some kind of principled Grand Ayatollah who "hates" a thing or not because of some deeply held principle and not just to rile up crowds of dumb white chuds.

He certainly hates things. But if you actually look at his complaints against China it's really the same song every US president has been singing since the USSR fell. R IPs :cry:

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

rudatron posted:

Exactly which US law allows the arbitrary detainment based on ethnicity? You know, like what China is doing right now.

Well if you look at the Chinese constitution you will find that minority rights are in fact guaranteed, so no discrimination can be happening. Check and mate.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Truga posted:

yeah so have a referendum then if it's so clear cut, this doesn't seem like a hard problem

What's this, Tibet voted for.....Brexit?

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Grapplejack posted:

Somebody forgot about vietnam

Yeah, China did quite a few blatant dick moves. Backing Cambodia against Vietnam, that first border war against India.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Al-Saqr posted:

I wonder if Biden wins will america go rushing back to sign the TPP or has that boat irrecoverably sailed.

Those never go away. They just come back under a different name, but it's always the same people in those trade talks, backed by the same interest groups.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Al-Saqr posted:

Lol yeah he owned trump.


Scrree posted:

lol if you havent believe in juche spirit since kim said "i will tame america's dotard with nuclear fire." and then did

Did they get anything substantial out of all the song and dance?

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Top City Homo posted:

"Equal pay for jihadis is a representational issue that Erdoğan can't ignore"

New York Times headline sometimes in the future

While it is not our place to interfere in the sanctity of contract negotiations, the only one who will profit from this discriminatory approach is Vladimir Putin's Russia -- me in the NYT.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Fame Douglas posted:

Apparently they lost three decades. But people aren't hungry, there aren't homeless everywhere, they have amazing trains all across the country. Maybe losing some decades is preferable?

Number did not go up :negative:

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Hooting and hollering for the imminent collapse of the American empire, but does that trade deal actually change anything of significance? Everything I've read is long on symbolism and short on particulars.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

gradenko_2000 posted:

It's not so imminent yet because RCEP still has to be ratified over the next two years in the individual member states.

Granted, it's unlikely that there's going to be enough political movement in any of the countries involved for such ratifications to be derailed, or for the US to do anything to try and head it off, but the "pain" does get delayed by just that much.

Most trade deals in recent years were a mixture of mandatory ball torture for drawing the Mouse without compensating Disney and the establishment of the right to expected profit while even the most optimistic projections by the most shameless economists end up with no more than couch money as an overall economic effect. And those economies are already pretty integrated so I don't see how somewhat lower tariffs are going to change the big picture.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

KaptainKrunk posted:

China has probably closely studied East German family planning and socialized child rearing and I wouldn't be surprised to start to see programs similar roll out this decade.

Why would you think that? Why would China look at a Soviet satellite that vanished a generation ago?

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

KaptainKrunk posted:

Their family planning system was good and caused a noticeable bump in fertility.

I'm just saying that this whole "One Child is gonna doom China!!!" is cope. If Chinese demographers think it's a problem, they'll work to fix it.

Ah, OK. You meant something like the one in the GDR not that one in particular.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

This line of discussion reminds me of the elder Galbraith's New Industrial State. Interestingly, his argument was that both the Soviet and the US economies will have to move to a mode of production that gives companies significant autonomy. Basically his thesis is that all decisions in a modern technological environment need such a broad range of expertise that the decisions need to be taken by committee and can only be effectively managed on a higher level by assembling a replica of said committee, thus making corporate boards and Gosplan an increasingly bad way to run things. Now, obviously that didn't happen and we're mostly just doing things poorly instead, but it is a line of critique that isn't fundamentally based on "market forces".

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

punk rebel ecks posted:

China literally has concentration camps for their Muslims that put America's treatment of Muslims to shame and is a wetdream to ICE workers.

I don't think we can trust the information we have enough to make this quantitative judgement.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Remember China's Kimchi crimes?
https://twitter.com/TrueAnonPod/status/1333823774680989696
Someone got a grant

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

indigi posted:

did not expect to see Saudi Arabia on that list

Pompeo should go to the next Saudi embassy to have a frank and honest discussion about that imo.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Grapplejack posted:

Maybe the first time but there's zero chance anyone remembers or cares about this a year+ later; my guess is someone in the government stepped in to stop it and score some points with Xi since CDPR is relying pretty heavily on China to make up for bad western cyberpunk sales

Did the game actually sell bad?

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Dreddout posted:

The only reason china isn't a post-soviet style hell hole right now is because they don't attempt to overthrow capitalist governments. (Though they do give preferential treatment to established leftwing governments like Cuba and Venezuela which shoots holes in your red capitalist canard)

Neither did the USSR for most of its history.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Grapplejack posted:

I imagine if the US balkanizes a lot of conflict is going to happen all at once. I can see China invading Taiwan like immediately and Libya/Syria light up. A lot of minor regional powers would likely get nukes at this point for protection. The Korean war would also probably start again, unless China stepped in.


Why those? Libya is on fire already with enough European powers involved to keep going even without the US and in Syria there is broadly a settlement favoring the anti-US side. I also don't really think that the US is what keeps the Korean War from restarting since the latest peace initiatives were driven by the Koreans themselves.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Grapplejack posted:

My assumption is that with the US suddenly gone SK would have no backup from US forces, and that's a pretty big part of their defense program. For Libya I guess I'm overestimating the amount of US support for the provisional government but my assumption is that the US going down would throw Europe into a panic and the rebels would be able to take advantage of that to sweep the GNA. Syria is mostly being propped up by the US and when the weapons and money stop the rebels will probably just vanish or be routed quickly.

I mean South Korea has something like twice the population of the North and its military is explicitly built up for that conflict. We might just as well see a panicky peace agreement since with the US out they'd both be rather worried about China. For Syria it seems that happened already. The state as of a year ago was that Turkey guaranteed some small border regions, not quite sure where we are now. And in the Kurdish region the US was handing off slices to Turkey to ethnically cleanse. I guess that would accelerate with Turkey and Syria scrambling for territory.

Also, Taiwan chat reminds me again that I have the choice between China experts who don't speak the language and poo poo posters on the net when it comes to figuring out what the second world power is up to. Are any of those language apps worth anything?

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

The more I read about the Cold War time the more I get the feeling that the conflict with the USSR was entirely a side show while the main event was preventing Third World development. Makes sense that the USSR going away changed nothing.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012


Lol Stoller.

Ardennes posted:

They assumed that the Europeans would/will just buckle under and everything would reset to the Obama-era.

That has been a pretty safe assumption. Especially now that Angela Merkel is leaving, because her successor is going to be significantly weaker and probably more dependent on the classical transatlantic networks. Remember when she was new to the party leadership she also went to Washington to pledge fealty to the coalition of the Willing. I don't think the EU will excitedly jump into a trade war, but I fully expect them to stumble into half assed support of specific US wrecking projects.

stephenthinkpad posted:

The EU is not going to help the US against China any more than paying lip service if Biden doesn't give 1) Nordstream2 to the Germans and 2) IT tax to French.

Do you have any basis for this? As far as I can remember Nordstream is basically the only major project that's going ahead despite US objections.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

mila kunis posted:

Didn't they just sign a major trade deal with China

Did the US even object to that?

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012


Lol. That's what I like to see. But I'd still argue that it's not that big of a step. European oligarchs get to pocket a bit more of the loot and feel a bit more in control, while China gets a few avenues to park its surplus.

stephenthinkpad posted:

Keep in mind Germany is the president of the EU council in the 2nd half of 2020. You got to think EU pushing thru the investment deal with China in the last day of 2020 is Germany's way of sending Biden a message.

I watch decent amount of DW news, that poisoned Russian opposition politician has gotten a lot of news coverage in the Germany press, alot more than on France24 and other UK channels. The guy was poisoned in Russia but so how he was helicoptered to a Germany hospital right away. If you tell me Germany anti Merkel fractions and CIA didn't have a hand it driving a knift between the Germany-Russia relationship, I wouldn't believe it.

The opposite I'd say. If you rush the deal through while the Orange One sits in the WH you don't have to tell the new admin to gently caress off when they object.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Ardennes posted:

The incoming administration already objected and was told no though, Trump technically being in the White House maybe made it a bit easier but the EU clearly made its choice.

I mean unless Joe Biden personally yelled in a phone it's really just random jerkoffs. Much easier to say no to.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Ardennes posted:

Blinken is suppose to be the incoming Secretary of State.

Well, then he can come back once he has finished the paper work, as we say in Europe.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Chomskyan posted:

This is how I feel about it too. It's a pretty limited deal centered on a few key industries. On paper it gives more to the Europeans than the Chinese, and I think that on paper promise will translate to reality for Europe, but only if they continue to have a relatively stable trading relationship with China.

And therein lies the rub. At a time when many American hawks are calling for a coordinated campaign to economically encircle and strangle China, the Europeans are signing an agreement that strongly signals they have no intention to play along. After all, if they do go along with the US, the gains for European business made by this deal can be rolled back and the many billions of euros they stand to gain will go up in flames. That's the real benefit for China, it's yet another step that further intertwines the economies of China and the EU and throws a wrench in the plans of US strategic planners who wish to decouple from China.

Yeah, I mean purely on the merits it's poo poo. As a European I don't want to encourage our Oligarchs to move even more industrial capacity to China and China shouldn't give up any control over it's industries to the European upper classes. However, if the sense of momentum created by the rush to make a buck and European politicians patting themselves on the back keeps us out of the next rounds of bullshit it might be worth it.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Happy Thread posted:

Just got word of something. A friend of a friend works at a big pharmaceutical company in China. Her friend works for the embassy department. 80% of that department's people who got sent to Russia in September caught COVID despite having the Sinopharm vaccine. Looks like it doesn't work. gently caress

e: No word on whether or not they had symptoms versus merely tested positive; no word yet on if they could still shed live virus to others. But they still considered the result unexpected

I mean it's not completely unexpected if true. If they get regular swaps and the vaccines don't give 100% sterilizing immunity you'd probably see positive tests. But that still doesn't tell us if they get any symptoms or even if the are shedding the virus.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

indigi posted:

how does it wind up in swabs if you’re not shedding?

You're jamming those swabs up the nose for as far as they will go. That doesn't mean that you'll necessarily get any kind of viral load outside the body. As far as I know all the tests commonly used are binary. You don't know if you're 80% covid by mass or just over the threshold.

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genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

ahh those sensationalist headlines. what is a president supposed to say? let's be ready for war after lunch? when we get around to it?


I mean you need years of training to form a solid phalanx. And all that effort might go to waste if the Indians escalate to longer sharpened sticks.

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