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The Croc
Dec 19, 2004

A-well-a everybody's heard about the bird!

OH YEAH!



Dango Bango posted:

I never read the newsletter but I opened this one because of the "this is an important edition" talk. Are they all this long??

They are usually pretty long of course depends on the news but its not like the amount of text in this one is an anomaly for what you usually get.

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Gumball Gumption
Jan 7, 2012

GET BACK UP

They're always kinda long just based on match results but if they're long right now I've got to assume that's mostly all news. I've not actually read the newsletter during covid.

SatoshiMiwa
May 6, 2007



Probably could of been longer too since there wasn't a big Mexico section and reports are there has been even more deaths due to Covid

Incessant Excess
Aug 15, 2005

Cause of glitch:
Pretentiousness


The newsletter is always just giant text dump, it could not be any more barebones.

PaybackJack
May 21, 2003

...as much revenge as any man could possibly take.


Dave was happy with this one and for the most part he does a good job covering everything that was said but there's some commentary from him that doesn't need to be there. He covers *a lot* of what was reported and some of the follow up as well. If he didn't stick his nose in there you could say that it was a good summary, with some nice detailed context but Dave gotta be Dave and throw in his 2 cents.

If you are following the other thread you're probably a bit a head of where Dave is, as he didn't got deep on Paige unless I happened to have skipped over it.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010





So I unsubbed to F4Wonline because I was short on money and I mostly listened for Retro Raw and Nitro and that ended.

But now I'm seeing them uploading Invasion era stuff. How are far they gonna continue Retro RAWS? I might resub for this.

P.S.
I had forgotten how dirty the WWE did the Hardy's in the early 2000s. A classic case of succeeding in spite of the company.

yea ok
Jul 27, 2006



they're doing raw and smackdown up until the end of the invasion story

Dango Bango
Jul 26, 2007

"Yup, it looks like his head went so far up his own butt-hole that it exploded right back out his pee-hole and he died in a cataclysmic shower of his own blood and poop and pee."
- Too Much Mustard


NikkolasKing posted:

So I unsubbed to F4Wonline because I was short on money and I mostly listened for Retro Raw and Nitro and that ended.

But now I'm seeing them uploading Invasion era stuff. How are far they gonna continue Retro RAWS? I might resub for this.

P.S.
I had forgotten how dirty the WWE did the Hardy's in the early 2000s. A classic case of succeeding in spite of the company.

These Invasion shows have really been an enjoyable look back. Especially for me since I wasn't watching as consistently back then due to high school sports/activities.

ICHIBAHN
Feb 21, 2007


What did paige do

collocation
Jun 17, 2018

RUBY RIOTT STAN ACCOUNT

ICHIBAHN posted:

What did paige do

Her family has been accused of a wide variety of shitheadery. Her brothers have apparently reacted worse than her by threatening anyone who comes out with future accusations. However, Paige has defended her family, even, apparently, for things that she has joked about in previous interviews.

davidbix
Jun 14, 2016
Congrats to Bix on his fav character King K Rool getting into smash!

IT'S ROCCO TIME!
https://twitter.com/BTSheetsPod/sta...475137688866817
Also stuff I forgot to post here:
https://twitter.com/BTSheetsPod/sta...702717092691968
https://twitter.com/BTSheetsPod/sta...282698747830280
https://twitter.com/BTSheetsPod/sta...223309685272576
https://twitter.com/BTSheetsPod/sta...402612793544705

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

I thought the redtext someone dumped on you was in bad taste and a bit much so here's a corgi instead.

Naylor & Kris going through the first ever PWI500 has been real fun.

Dango Bango
Jul 26, 2007

"Yup, it looks like his head went so far up his own butt-hole that it exploded right back out his pee-hole and he died in a cataclysmic shower of his own blood and poop and pee."
- Too Much Mustard


I miss Granny on the Sunday shows

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

Fundamentals as sound as the WNBA


The Dr. Luther episode of Talk is Jericho might be my favorite episode of the podcast.

jesus WEP
Oct 17, 2004

OM NOM NOM NOM NOM



Fun Shoe

*sticks tongue out, points at Omaha Steak*

Dango Bango
Jul 26, 2007

"Yup, it looks like his head went so far up his own butt-hole that it exploded right back out his pee-hole and he died in a cataclysmic shower of his own blood and poop and pee."
- Too Much Mustard


MassRafTer posted:

The Dr. Luther episode of Talk is Jericho might be my favorite episode of the podcast.

Why's that? I'm genuinely curious since I didn't really enjoy it.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

Fundamentals as sound as the WNBA


Dango Bango posted:

Why's that? I'm genuinely curious since I didn't really enjoy it.

It's two friends who genuinely love each other's company telling really funny stories from the old days and burying the gently caress out of their "agent." Hard not to laugh or smile through most of it.

Like how can you not enjoy the Ricky Fuji stories or Luther's interactions with Leon Spinks? Or Jericho's inability to pronounce Spinks.

MassRafTer fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Jun 29, 2020

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

GIT R DONNE


MassRafTer posted:

It's two friends who genuinely love each other's company telling really funny stories from the old days and burying the gently caress out of their "agent." Hard not to laugh or smile through most of it.

Like how can you not enjoy the Ricky Fuji stories or Luther's interactions with Leon Spinks? Or Jericho's inability to pronounce Spinks.

Their impressions of Damian 666 talking about porn get me every time.

NienNunb
Feb 15, 2012

still a threat



Luther seems like a nice guy I hope y'all will like him more soon

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010


https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/...8140139520?s=19

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible





https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/...2168056832?s=20

Arbite
Nov 4, 2009

Our mare for President. The President who loses this war must buy himself and his counterpart custom titles of the winner's choice, and wear it for no less than a month. To the strongest




Boom.

I miss the Konnan shows with Bryan and Dave.

Arbite fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Jun 30, 2020

Super No Vacancy
Jul 26, 2012

yahallo


frankly you had to be dumb as gently caress to think think they'd do anything with ricochet so no not incredible by that definition either. very dull

UltimoDragonQuest
Oct 5, 2011




forkboy84 posted:

Naylor & Kris going through the first ever PWI500 has been real fun.
They should stop at the top half and start another year from the bottom. I only want jobber reviews.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?



Goddamn

Incessant Excess
Aug 15, 2005

Cause of glitch:
Pretentiousness


Would you really say that tho?

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

Cabana's legal advice?
I'm bourgeoisie.
I... hit the shitty
firemans carry knee.






Incessant Excess posted:

Would you really say that tho?

Ricochet is like the Ur-Example for in perpetuity that means phrases like "can't miss prospect" or "megastar written all over them" are officially bullshit when the system is about being a cog in the machine and a cog made out of wood and a cog made out of titanium will do the same job the same.

Like there have been cases before this that were used "became megastars in spite of" such as CM Punk and Daniel Bryan where they were never meant to grow beyond that but did in spite of being pushed down as hard as they could.

Ricochet proves that no matter how great a generational talent is they will not reach that potential unless the right environment exists. When Ricochet signed with WWE he was unquestionably the better wrestler than Will Ospreay and in the top five in the world. Saying that now would make you look like a fool.

That this mans ceiling is the D-show and may very well be forgotten in history when his contemporaries are building Hall of Fame careers elsewhere is asinine.

Incessant Excess
Aug 15, 2005

Cause of glitch:
Pretentiousness


Drew was always much more of a can't miss prospect in WWE than a small flip guy and even he missed the first time around.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

Cabana's legal advice?
I'm bourgeoisie.
I... hit the shitty
firemans carry knee.






I agree with that as one of the people who has been for years pushing how McIntyre is so clearly one of those THE guys (to the point where more than once in these forums people didn't realise Drew McIntyre and Drew Galloway were the same person) but with that said reducing Ricochet to "small flip guy" is the very same issue with how WWE sees him. Small flip guys are everywhere, hell WWE didn't sign Ricochet the first time because they had PAC and they said we don't need two small flip guys to be small flip guy jobbers.

The problem, as that is clear, Ricochet and in fact PAC weren't just any "small flip guys" they are the best of the best and superstars in their own right. PAC in AEW was pre-pandemic the hottest wrestler besides Moxley who should've got a run at the top. He is transcendentally good at wrestling, and AEW has a tonne of people you would call "small flip guys" but he still stands head and shoulders above. When you're on a roster with Fenix and Nick Jackson and still as a complete wrestler you are so far ahead is astounding.

All this is to show that yes Ricochet's last year was amazing.

Eat My Fuc
May 29, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 12 days!


Ricochet actually just sucks, watch his Smackdown commercial where he can’t deliver a simple line on something that wasn’t even filmed or produced by WWE’s normal team it was made by FOX. He is a charisma vacuum who has only ever been successful under a mask in a company where he is the only one capable of his move set so not AEW NJPW or WWE. he can flip and do acrobatics all day but he is incapable of the major facet of wrestling that is acting in any capacity.

Paper Lion
Dec 13, 2009






this is you right now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaQhq42CU00#t=58s

Miching Mallecho
May 24, 2010





“He doesn’t want to be a wwf star. He wants to flip,act, and run. All the things that compromise our genre”

Kevin Dunn is still employed to this day.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

I thought the redtext someone dumped on you was in bad taste and a bit much so here's a corgi instead.

Eat My Fuc posted:

Ricochet actually just sucks, watch his Smackdown commercial where he can’t deliver a simple line on something that wasn’t even filmed or produced by WWE’s normal team it was made by FOX. He is a charisma vacuum who has only ever been successful under a mask in a company where he is the only one capable of his move set so not AEW NJPW or WWE. he can flip and do acrobatics all day but he is incapable of the major facet of wrestling that is acting in any capacity.

Ricochet was really successful and amazing in Dragon Gate, explicitly a a company where he was unmasked and 90% of the roster had a similar style. Because he's among the absolute best at what he does in character. So he's not the most charismatic dude ever, give him a manager. Put him under a mask. None of these things are insurmountable issues. If you can't find out how to utilise a guy who is that good at one (major) aspect of wrestling you aren't very good at promoting wrestling.

(Also didn't Lucha Underground have dudes like Aerostar & Fenix who hardly have that different a moveset to Ricochet? And in New Japan at a time Will Ospreay was on the roster Ricochet still stood out as an amazing talent)

fatherofmustard
May 15, 2018



Ricochet is a small guy and terrible on the mic. I knew he was never going to far in the WWE.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

Cabana's legal advice?
I'm bourgeoisie.
I... hit the shitty
firemans carry knee.






fatherofmustard posted:

Ricochet is a small guy and terrible on the mic. I knew he was never going to far in the WWE.

he's at least six feet tall

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

Cabana's legal advice?
I'm bourgeoisie.
I... hit the shitty
firemans carry knee.






forkboy84 posted:

Ricochet was really successful and amazing in Dragon Gate, explicitly a a company where he was unmasked and 90% of the roster had a similar style. Because he's among the absolute best at what he does in character. So he's not the most charismatic dude ever, give him a manager. Put him under a mask. None of these things are insurmountable issues. If you can't find out how to utilise a guy who is that good at one (major) aspect of wrestling you aren't very good at promoting wrestling.

(Also didn't Lucha Underground have dudes like Aerostar & Fenix who hardly have that different a moveset to Ricochet? And in New Japan at a time Will Ospreay was on the roster Ricochet still stood out as an amazing talent)

hell its like people are looking at Rey Mysterio and thinking "cant talk, will never go anywhere"

loving Marko Stunt and Jungle Boy exist at this very moment!

Eat My Fuc
May 29, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 12 days!


Lid posted:

hell its like people are looking at Rey Mysterio and thinking "cant talk, will never go anywhere"

loving Marko Stunt and Jungle Boy exist at this very moment!

All the people you mentioned can talk fine. Ricochet can’t even manage to speak a sentence into a camera without sounding like a robot having a panic attack he’s the worst talker i’ve seen in 27 years of watching pro wrestling. He doesn’t even botch which could be entertaining he just murmurs his way through comatose line reading like he has some kind of severe brain damage.

Gumball Gumption
Jan 7, 2012

GET BACK UP

Eat My Fuc posted:

Ricochet actually just sucks, watch his Smackdown commercial where he can’t deliver a simple line on something that wasn’t even filmed or produced by WWE’s normal team it was made by FOX. He is a charisma vacuum who has only ever been successful under a mask in a company where he is the only one capable of his move set so not AEW NJPW or WWE. he can flip and do acrobatics all day but he is incapable of the major facet of wrestling that is acting in any capacity.

You forgot Dragon Gate and PWG, notorious hoss promotions.

NienNunb
Feb 15, 2012

still a threat



Blaming the wrestler for wwe not being able to use them well has always been a winning strategy

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ICHIBAHN
Feb 21, 2007


Why are we replying to that moron

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