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graventy
Jul 28, 2006

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Firing him late is better than not firing him, isn’t it? There are plenty of good directors who haven’t made awful and crass jokes publicly.

That Disney is a pile of hypocrites isn’t all that surprising. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was fired for contract negotiation reasons with this as cover, but either way I’m not losing sleep over this firing.

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graventy
Jul 28, 2006

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Darko posted:

I'm not a Faraci fan at all, but given the quality of that, maybe he's changed from when i last read him and I should give him a chance.

The guy who got fired for sexual assault and then “found Buddhism” and came back?

Forgive me if I take his ‘People like me should be forgiven’ article as slightly biased.

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe
Yeah, that's basically it. You were great at comedy, but you abused the hell out of your power for sexual purposes. Find a new career!

Unfortunately that's not the way society works, but it loving should.

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe
I can believe that Black didn't know the full details. But, seriously, gently caress that guy. He basically denies anything happened and then claims to have accepted responsibility for it? Acting is a public profession that brings with it power and fame. Go work a regular job.

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe

chitoryu12 posted:

A movie that, according to the reviews, was pretty average and got most of Freddie Mercury's story wrong for the sake of creating a dramatic film narrative anyway. There's no way that decision wasn't something made behind the scenes, likely with dollars or favors exchanging hands.

Ehhh, the Hollywood Foreign Press Association is weird and makes weird off-the-wall choices all of the time. All this probably means is that Rami Malek agreed to do go to all of the meals with members they have and was very charming.

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe

quote:

So now because Louis CK did a few bad jokes + we know he "is bad,"

Nah, dude, we know he’s bad because he masturbated in front of women in situations where actual consent wasn’t possible, and then slandered any of them who spoke out about it. His jokes don’t loving matter.

You guys should hear Cosby’s new set it’s hilarious!

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe

quote:

Then he made a joke about a porn star’s rear end in a top hat, and concluded that the world needs porn because it somehow keeps men from molesting their colleagues at work.

I feel like if it did this whole situation wouldn’t have happened.

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe

chitoryu12 posted:

I'm now starting to wonder if he's facing actual threats over the potential of him blowing the whistle.

Nah, just enough negative publicity and backlash from his initial answers that his PR people made him say some stronger things.

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe
Aziz had a pretty thoughtful initial response, I thought. Did he ever actually apologize?

That's a pretty good joke though.

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe

kaworu posted:

That's so loving horrible. If anything, it shows that he had a guilty conscience and knew precisely how awful and wrong what he was doing was - wearing a disguise and appearing incredibly nervous on that particular shopping trip. Jesus.

I don’t really buy that. I mean he really was super famous and probably would have to wear a disguise to not get mobbed. And he always seemed nervous.

The way both reports just gloss over ‘shopping with a 12 year old friend’ as if that’s totally a normal thing for adults to do is pretty crazy.

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe
“Designed her basement storage to look like a mall” is waaaay less cool than “has private mall”.

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe

Samuel Clemens posted:

Once again, reality proves to be a real downer.

There’s a certain level of crazy respect I would have for a celebrity willing to pay a franchise fee and employees for a bunch of mall stores. Especially if they made it mall-accurate.

Oh, yeah, that’s the Claire’s. I don’t shop there but I think my daughter will like it when she’s older.

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe

Tart Kitty posted:

DO IT WITH THE SOUTHIE ACCENTS COWARDS

Oh god I can't wait to hear their loving accents for this trainwreck.

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe

Drunkboxer posted:

Not to get all conspiracy theorist in here but I doubt that was a suicide attempt.

I mean he has to have some sort of failsafes in place, right? Or he'd be dead 1000 times over already.

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe
A just punishment would ban him from any influence or power in the comedy community forever. He had one chance to do comedy. He hosed it up. He can't do comedy any more.

It doesn't really matter what we think should happen, because what has happened is literally nothing. Am I supposed to feel bad about him losing 50-80 million?
I feel bad that I spent money and time on his specials and performances and he was using that acquired clout and power to abuse people who trusted him.

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe
I don't particularly like supporting people who turn out to be monsters, so yeah, I feel guilty about supporting him. That's mostly my Lutheran upbringing speaking, probably. We feel guilty about everything.

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe

Bust Rodd posted:

I really don’t understand the logic behind this at all. There is no court or ruling comedy hierarchy. What you’re proposing as Just sounds like nonsense. One chance? Why?

Because he serially molested people. He hasn't had one chance he had lots of chances to not go up to up and coming women in comedy and do what he did. He had tons of chances to not send his manager to make sure the stories stayed quiet.

You know how loving easy it is to not molest people? It's pretty loving easy.

I said it wasn't a realistic punishment, but comedy is a hardscrabble career that talented people fail at all the time. What has he done to deserve a second chance? Not even a second chance but re-emerging from a vacation to go right back to headlining.

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe

Bust Rodd posted:

I think it’s important to point out also that when we say “Louis lost 35-40-50 million dollars” were also saying everyone who worked for Louis, his production company, his writers, his actors, his production managers, his set designers, and all the people who depended on him lost their jobs and immediately had to find to new work”

Obviously what Louis did impacted his fictions severely and dramatically, but Louis losing all that money isn’t just about not putting his kids through private school, it’s about finding new careers for the 100+ people who worked for him.

Oh gently caress off with this disingenuous bullshit.

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe

teacup posted:

Now why don’t we start with both reform of the justice system to be more fair on this people and also on societies expectations on feeling sorry for this mans life being “cancelled” due to a poor decision on drugs, why don’t we start with this type of person.

Why is it always starting with a millionaire comedian who serially masturbated in front of unwilling women? Why is Louis CK where we decide as a society that no, we are too harsh?

Because, unless I'm directly related to or friends with that person, odds are I have no idea who they are. But due to fame everyone has heard of Louis CK and lots of people liked him, so we have a personal connection to his crimes.

It's possible to be upset about the miscarriage of justice on both levels, but this thread isn't the place for that.

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe

Vintersorg posted:

Glad to see some people keep their Excel sheets updated with the bad posts.

You don't need an Excel spreadsheet you can just click the '?' under Bust Rodd's name.

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe

Bust Rodd posted:

My understanding from staff meetings and working within the city that he made several large anonymous donations early in his career and then once he started his production company in earnest and began to have shareholders and investors he switched to “real” donations for tax purposes, but I was never an accountant, I was an educator taking notes during meetings.

What I can tell you is that every Rec center, after school program, and west/north philly public school I worked in had a “Kevin Hart memorial Computer Science lab”. Sorry I don’t have hard numbers or receipts to back it up. This is all between 2012 and 2016, so the majority of his donations would’ve been between 2008-2012.

Hart has a production company, but he’s also partnered with several media outlets and a few banks to work on a web series about helping inner city youth and the black communities gain financial independence, and he’s also gone full Joe Rogan by developing nutritional supplements. Dude seriously owns like 25 businesses, including a custom car body shop. His money is making him money.

Oh ok I guess he can use gay slurs then. That seems very generous of him do you think he should get a 'free rape' pass too?

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe

Origami Dali posted:

I don't give a poo poo about Hart or any other dumbass who says dumb poo poo, but what in the hell are these garbage responses supposed to be? Dude was answering a question.

He didn't really answer the question, unless you accept those paragraphs as 'No, I don't have a source for him donating $50 million'.

Despite Bust Rodd's efforts this isn't really the place to talk about the wonderful good works of slur-users or rapists EDIT sorry, molesters.

graventy fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Sep 26, 2019

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe
Both Melissa McCarthy and Rebel Wilson can be very funny and it is disappointing that so much of the jokes they do revolve around how gross and fat they are.

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe
I thought Bombshell was very good but half of the movie is harassment, which is hard to watch. Not a movie you can really recommend to people.

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe

John Wick of Dogs posted:

The Democrats including Gillibrand probably would have swept it under the rug except there was a special Senate election in Alabama against a republican accused of the same thing against teenagers, and Republicans were trying to both sides it, so Democrats wanted to set an example

Quite frankly, I'm glad. Franken was a great senator for my state and arguably would be the presidential candidate now, but he should not get away with that bullshit. And I liked that democrats were taking a pretty strong no tolerance policy. *sigh*

Not that it matters I'm sure he's going to worm his way back too.

Coffee And Pie posted:

Yeah from what I remember a big part of it was that Frankenstein took a picture pretending to grope the breasts of a sleeping female soldier. I think a lot of people saw it as him being made an example of so dems couldn’t be accused of covering for their own while condemning exposed republicans

This was the part that got the most publicity, but there were other things that were done. And, a man in his 50/60s should know drat well better than to pretend grope someone for a photo.

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe

Groovelord Neato posted:

I will never understand these people with unlimited money deciding to spend their time like a NEET posting all day.

Livin' the dream, man.

I dunno I mean she's famous enough that she probably gets recognized everywhere, and rich enough to fear for her safety. Plus, what should she be doing? Travel? Now?

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe
If anything maybe it will force them to take back more Oscars from abusers.

hahahahhahahah

*sigh*

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe
Part of the problem is that people are loving dumb. If you have a slavery movie that does not show the brutality and inhumanity of slavery, just puts it offscreen or something, people will see the movie and proudly proclaim how not bad slavery is.

I don't really think it's possible to have an effective movie about how society is teaching young girls that they are sex objects without some gross objectification. If it doesn't feel gross people are just going to "I had barbies when I was a kid what's the big deal" pooh-pooh it away. The message of the movie isn't "hey look at these hot tweens dancing" it's "These are YOUNG GIRLS who chose to act this way because society told them that's how girls are supposed to be and that's wrong".

I'm not going to watch that clip because it's entirely without context. I will watch the movie, to see how it handles things.

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe

Pasketti posted:

But it really loving sucks that to make that statement, actual real life children had to do that dance routine, likely hundreds of times to get it just right, in front of probably a hundred actors and film crew members. over and over. and have it recorded and available for anyone to see. over and over, forever.

It's a dance routine. Similar dance routines probably happen all over the world on a daily basis, and no one really bats an eye. My sister was in a group 30 years ago that did similar stuff. Not as overtly sexual, but, it was still leotards and pop music and no one batted an eye. I highly doubt anyone was left traumatized by performing a dance with friends in a movie.


Pasketti posted:

Best case scenario, it fucks over their ability to get "normal" acting roles in the future, they get harassed on social media, and all of their interview question forever are tied to the controversy of the movie.
Worst case scenario, a dangerous viewer that missed the point does something dangerous.

Best case scenario? Oh come on.

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe
Almost no one was actually 'cancelled' for #metoo, so why get so worked up about the one false accusation?

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe

JnnyThndrs posted:

Al Franken got MeToo’d as well.

He's also on his way back, just as a op ed commentator now, but I wouldn't be that surprised if he couldn't win again as a Senator. It angers me a lot how little empathy people have for victims.

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe
It's not a good look for men to flirt with barely legal teens. But that's all he did. This really doesn't belong in this thread.

This probably kills the app.

If I was a 19-year-old famous enough to get on the celebrity dating app there's no loving way I would limit the ages. I'm swiping right on every drat face I recognize so I can talk at parties about how <random celebrity> likes my eyes or whatever.

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

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Desperado Bones posted:

I'm sorry for not being neutral, but it's loving disgusting what is happening.

Why be neutral it's gross as hell!

That recent Britney Spears documentary did a really great job of pointing out
1. how incredibly weird and awful her conservatorship is, and
2. how incredibly weird and awful the media treated her in the 90s/00s.

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

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Desperado Bones posted:

If I remember correctly, she had the mental breakdown out of stress, was forced to go and check in a hospital and while she was staying there her dad hurried up, got a his lawyer and worked on getting the conservatorship. She had zero chances to speak out against it or to prove that she was able to fend by herself. They also used the excuse that they were worried she was on drugs and an alcoholic.

They also pretty much said “If you ever want to see your kids again, you have to agree to this.” It’s disgusting.

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe
It's super cool that I can basically bribe a prosecutor to agree not to charge me and then I can never be charged for that crime. That's the only message I'm taking from this.

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

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Skwirl posted:

Bill Cosby is a monster, but I don't think the solution is making cops and prosecutors less accountable for their actions when they also violate the law.

Oh? Will the prosecutor be charged for this incredible misconduct?

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe
Goddamn my favorite part of this thread sure is when assholes come in here to defend pieces of poo poo. I sure do love it.

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe
I thought this was a pretty good summary of the case:

Megillah Gorilla posted:

Yeah, if you make the small leap that it was racist cops looking to gently caress someone over during the height of Trump fever, it all falls into place.

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EDIT: You can read all the police reports on the incident here.

tl;dr - Not a single report contains any actual evidence against Jussie. The only thing they have to try and show that Smollett arranged the attack himself were the interrogations of the Osundairo brothers.

Curiously, despite every attempt by the press and Smollett, the police have refused to release a single second of those interrogations.

Also, the Osundairo brothers are no longer cooperating with the police because when the CPD went to the brother's home they stole a whole bunch of their stuff, lol.

CPD gonna CPD.

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So, to recap what happened:

Jussie Smollett was walking at night and was attacked by two men who beat him so badly they broke a rib, roughed up his face, tied a noose around his neck and poured a caustic substance, possibly bleach, over him.

He went home and told two friends who were there what happened. He refused to call the police himself, but one of his friends decided to call them against his wishes.

So, the CPD sends out three detectives - not regular cops, detectives - who also happened to have a combined 35 criminal complaints against them from members of the public. Rather than listen to his attempts to explain what happened, they immediately demanded access to his phone and all his financial records.

The CPD ends up putting 24 detectives on the case. Again, not regular cops, but full blown detectives. 24 of them.

Eventually, the cops bring in two brothers, Abimbola and Olabinjo Osundairo, who knew Jussie from the TV show Empire and who he had paid $3500 to help him bulk up for another role. They eventually get the brothers to say Smollett had paid them that money to break his rib and pour bleach over his face (just what any actor would do - gently caress up their face).

Of course, the police have also refused to release any of the interview tapes with the brothers, despite every other police report on the matter being made public [see start of post]. Given how police always seem to magically leak the slightest bit of evidence to make minorities look bad, this alone is a huge red flag.

From reading all the police reports [see start of post] there's not a single thing there that points to Smollett setting up this huge con. The police found footage of Smollett's car in a parking garage. They have footage of a man they claim is Smollett walking along a road around the time of the attack. They have footage of two unidentified silhouetted men walking along a nearby street around the time of the attack. They have footage of the Osundairo brothers buying winter gear, including a balaclava right before the Polar Vortex hit Chicago. They claim to have footage of them buying rope, but I don't think it was ever released.

Also, despite the cops saying the Osundairos brought rope, no mention has ever been made whether the rope they purchased matches that tied into a noose around Smollett's neck. The fact they haven't been shouting that from the rooftops is pretty much proof that the rope the brothers brought wasn't a match.

Video of the brothers buying winter clothes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRp0bkbrKCg&t=210s


In all, not a single shred of physical evidence to show that (1) Smollett faked his own attack or that (2) the Osundairo brothers were actually involved. Everything the police say they have comes from their interrogation of the brothers - interrogations they have refused to release to the public.

This is the work of 24 detectives and that's the best they could come up with. Ask yourself when was the last time the CPD put 24 detectives on a case of a beating of a gay black man?


And the cops certainly weren't above outright intimidation. The attack on Smollett happened on the 29th of January. A month later, the cops execute a warrant on his person during a meeting between the cops and Smollett and his lawyer.




Also, kicking his lawyer out of the room and leaving Smollett alone with one of the detectives for an unknown length of time:



Just alone in the room with a cop after refusing to answer questions. All alone.

Nope, can't see anything wrong with that.



Things the police did not do: check the phone records of anyone in the area at the time of the attack. Not only would it have shown if the Osundairo were anywhere near the place, it could even be used to cross-check the numbers against know police offices, for instance.

drat shame not one of those 24 highly trained and experienced police detectives thought to do that, then.





So, moving on from the attack itself, we get to the legal fuckery. And this is where poo poo really gets wild.

I'll split this up into another post, because there was so much insane stuff going on with the arraignment and charges that it's going to take me a bit just to find it all.

But the big moments of the legal stuff were the police trying to use a prosecutor who wasn't even licensed to practice law to force through the charges against Smollett, with 17 counts of making false statements to police. They did this by taking Smollett's initial statement to police, chopping it up into single sentences and then using each individual sentence as a "false statement".

Also police offices protesting alongside open white supremacists when the charges were initially dropped.

Trying to force Smollett to pay for the cost of the investigation into his attack. Over $130,000. gently caress, imagine if the cops got away with that - no minority would ever report anything to the cops again. No woman would ever report a rape.

Oh, wait.

For the second rhetorical question of the night - who can remember the last time cops protested on a courthouse's step because charges against some were dropped? That didn't involve an attack or murder of a police officer?

The CPD are an incredibly corrupt batch of assholes and siding with them anywhere is a bad idea.

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe
Yeah, sorry, I only brought up the summary because this thread was starting to do that “maybe it is the victims who are wrong” thing again and it pisses me off.

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graventy
Jul 28, 2006

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pentyne posted:

Please shut the gently caress up about Hassan in the sexual assault thread.

He's literally a dude famous for streaming video games AND political commentary so unless he's being accused stop bringing him up.

For gently caress's sake, please.

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