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edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Timby posted:

You mean besides being an insufferable piece of poo poo for years? :v:

He tried taking the moral high ground when Trump's "grab 'em by the pussy" tape leaked, and then he got called out by a woman who reminded him that he shoved his hand down her pants at a bar and went around to his friends telling them to smell his fingers. A few other women came out and told similar stories, and he was fired from Birth.Movies.Death. Last year, it was discovered that Alamo Drafthouse's owner had secretly re-hired him a few months later and he had been writing under a pseudonym.

Jesus loving christ, if you have to hire someone, but keep it a secret YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HIRE THAT PERSON TO BEGIN WITH. :psyduck:

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edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

LividLiquid posted:

My ex-wife was a teacher, and this poo poo is so true and painful and it drives me absolutely nuts. The poo poo we do to young women to excuse the lovely behaviors of young men is loving bizarre once you apply any amount of critical thinking to it.

This isn't a thing. Using your example of booty shorts and crop top, instead of telling women to cover up, we should teach young men how to behave.

Pretty much. At my school, the senior management is largely dominated by women, and I'm only one of two male teachers in my department (2 men in a department of 16 teachers), with a female deputy principal as our line manager, and of the two mentor teachers I had at the school, 1 was also a woman. Naturally, we take that poo poo seriously.

I had a trio of boys in my English class last year that were utter creeps towards the girls - trying to surreptitiously film them, saying sexist poo poo to them, that sort of thing. One of them snapped out of it after I ripped them apart in front of their peers, another stopped turning up to class half the time, but the third would have a big old moan all the time, and constantly act like a martyr, to the point where I'd just kick him out of class because "I was picking on him for being a boy." I called home, and his dad - a former military guy, apparently - was absolutely appalled by his son's behaviour and he did pull his head in or a bit but he'd go back to his lovely attitude in no time flat. This little shithead actually whined that I was picking on him because I'm "a feminist."

It got to a point where I did make it clear to his heads of house (my school uses a house system like in Harry Potter. Each house at my school has two heads - one male, one female) that unless he could stop being a creep, he was no longer welcome in my classroom. He was only allowed back in under very strict conditions, which amounted to "if he looked at any of the girls in a way they didn't like, he's gone. If I see his phone being used for anything other than typing assessments on Google Docs, he's gone. If he sneezes and I, or the girls who had complained to me about him and his friends had an issue with it, he's gone. If he doesn't like that, he should have thought about that first before being a creepy loving poo poo who wouldn't stop whining about how oppressed he was when pulled up for being a creeper."

When a young, fairly photogenic teacher got him for English this year, I did warn her about him and I think he's being kept on an even shorter leash with her than he was with me.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Groovelord Neato posted:

*sits you down and puts on jeepers creepers*

How about Clownhouse from earlier in Salva's career?

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

chitoryu12 posted:

Knowing Robin Williams, his behavior was probably non-sexual (at least in his mind) and done to everyone in his path regardless of gender or sexuality.

Oh, did you now? Don't try to minimise or justify that poo poo, dude.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Phi230 posted:

That thread is loving crazy

tweens doing coke and being abused all the loving time

What the Christ is wrong with hollywood

It's really a case of 'twas ever thus, to be honest. Do you enjoy Wizard of Oz? Because Judy Garland was being drugged and molested by Louis B Mayer (the Mayer in Metro-Goldwy-Mayer). If it were to be revealed that she was raped on more than one occasion by him or any other studio guy, I wouldn't be shocked.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...m=.30839b5c3588

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

I thought everyone knew he was a creep. I'm actually surprised it took this long.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Have a different actor or actress with the surname "Miller" in play Weasel in every shot that he appears in.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Unless each episode is 60 minutes of these assholes wailing in sackcloth and ashes as they flagellate themselves and grovel and beg at the feet of their victims for forgiveness, then there's no way there won't be massive backlash against it.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

https://www.theonion.com/bill-cosby-feeling-disoriented-after-jury-slips-convict-1825576820

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Bryan Singer prior to being dragged into the Weinstein stuff. The lawsuits against him around the time of Days of the Future Past were withdrawn at the accuser's request.


He's now got another one against him, so maybe this one will stick.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Doesn't he have a history of being a bit of a creeper?

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Groovelord Neato posted:

he raped the porn stars ginger lynn and kiki daire years ago too.

was tool guy the one who turned out to be a massive chud or is that some other 90s-00s band lead i'm thinking of?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xazm2BAPyAQ

Weren't there some allegations a couple of years ago as well? Or has a new set come to light?

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

GrandpaPants posted:

How does that saying about bad apples go again?
https://www.cartoonbrew.com/artist-...ure-161540.html

I hadn't heard about the Lasseter stuff. There's always more, and it's always worse.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

DrVenkman posted:

So, Asia Argento issued a rebuttal and... Well I think it has some pretty huge gaps in it.

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1031915552699179009?s=19

The first big question is why any previous requests for Argento to say something before the story broke were met with silence.

That statement reads like one that involves legal advice, so I'm guessing she was advised by her lawyer(s) to keep quiet until they could put together a statement to respond to the article and the allegations.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Basebf555 posted:

Right, so given his criminal history, his co-workers feel uncomfortable with him around. So therefore it makes sense to me that as an employer I would not want to hire him. Shane Black felt differently.

Tbh I still don't understand what you're even driving at. So what if someone who sexually assaults children has trouble finding work? Is that a problem? Why would that be a primary concern here?

I think it's also that 1. Shane Black was friends with the guy for years prior to his arrest and just wants to help a friend out and 2. has he re-offended since? On the one hand, yeah, dude tried to groom a teenage girl and luckily there was no follow-through, but on the other, he evidently hasn't re-offended since, and I can see how that would lead to Black giving his friend minor acting roles.

Either way, I do feel that to some extent, Black's judgement was heavily influenced by his relationship with the guy, and he obviously failed to take into account how the others working with him would feel about it.

edogawa rando fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Sep 6, 2018

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

I take back what I posted earlier. Shane, you silly, silly man.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

By definition an apolitical person defends the status quo.

And this implicitly encourages people not to vote. Of course, then you get that loving knob Russell Brand telling people "not to vote." gently caress off, like.
As is the "they're all the same." That's just lazy criticism,

To not vote is a vote for the status quo, and people with a platform to preach about how they're "apolitical," or telling people not to vote, well, they're clearly doing well in the current status quo, and they're discouraging you from engaging in politics from their ivory towers.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Yeah, but when that results in you sticking up for a scumbag who drugged and raped an underage girl, you may want to rethink your priorities. I know I’m preaching to the choir, but still.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

DrVenkman posted:

Yeah I mean someone can make their documentaries and talk all they want about how he was railroaded by an over-zealous judge all they want, but watch his interviews afterwards and he treats what he did with nothing more than a shrug and insists that it was the "European way". He's an utter piece of poo poo.

Yeah, whoo boy, that judge, how dare he want a sleazy guy who drugged a girl barely in her teens and raped her locked up and poo poo. The loving nerve.

gently caress Polanski apologists.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Who is Bryan Singer? He is supposed to be Turkish. Some say his father was German. Nobody believed he was real. Nobody ever saw him or knew anybody that ever worked directly for him, but to hear Kevin Spacey tell it, anybody could have worked for Singer. You never knew. That was his power. The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist. And like that, poof. He's gone.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

sponges posted:

I don’t even know how to pronounce my misspelling.

"D-fest"

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

chitoryu12 posted:

But hey, normal people say racist stuff before removing it because it's not workshopping correctly, right?

I mean, yeah, I start with "Hey let's lynch all black men because they're rapists of the white womens," and then I workshop it down to "A horse walks into a bar, and the bartender says 'why the long face?'"

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

I found a video of Louis CK's set, and boy, it's a real knee-slapper. 100% hahalarious!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kx6-NzLpf0

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Sucrose posted:

Make people believe that you’ve legitimately changed for the better and wouldn’t start victimizing people again the minute you’re given the opportunity. And not just out of fear of consequences this time.

Does anyone really trust that, if Louis C.K was magically given back his entire career, prestige, and reputation, that he wouldn’t start sexually harassing women again? Do you feel confident in that assessment? Do the others in his industry feel confident in that assessment?

Honestly, the fact that after a year of allegedly reflecting on his behaviour, he came back with "gently caress school shooting survivors" and "Me Asian chingy chongy wing wang wong" bullshit tells us all we need to know. gently caress that loving gently caress.


Sucrose posted:

Lousy example, because he didn’t really do anything I’d call morally wrong to begin with, he got wrecked by a smear campaign then his career started recovering in direct proportion to people no longer believing that he’s a pedophile. Him apologizing might have helped things along, but “told a dozen gross edgelord jokes 10 years ago” was never really going to fall below Disney or any other company’s moral standards for employability. Disney just really hates bad PR.

And Disney's pusillanimous response, ironically, created more bad PR and a win for Warner Bros. and DC. Gunn is writing and will likely direct the next Suicide Squad movie (say what you will about the 2016 film, it was still incredibly profitable), so he's in a fairly enviable position.


Sucrose posted:

I have zero doubt that there’s a significant number of people who would still pay to watch Kevin Spacey act, but nobody of any significance is going to hire him because the number of people who would turn against any studio that would hire him dwarfs that number of people who’d be happy to watch him perform.

It's the Chris Benoit effect. What they did when the cameras were gone will always taint whatever they were in, and there will be times where some things uttered by the characters they portray, or others on-screen will just hit a little too close to home.

edogawa rando fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Jan 15, 2019

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Sucrose posted:

WB could hire Gunn because after a few months the media and anyone paying attention to the story realized that the accusations against him had no actual substance, so at that point almost nobody cared. Again, his apology might have helped, but it was really due to the allegations against him evaporating.

Sure, but Disney didn't help themselves by digging their heels in as the bad press about those involved being furious, especially Dave Bautista - who has been one of the best parts of both films, and they've potentially squandered one of the most profitable franchises they had within the MCU.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Basebf555 posted:

I think the lead up to X-Men Apocalypse's release was when these stories first started to hit the mainstream where the public would be aware of them. At least I think that's how I remember the timing of it.

I'm pretty sure there were allegations made prior to Days of the Future Past which were in the news. It's a shame because I really like 3 out of the 4 X-Men films he's done and now they feel a bit tainted.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Fart City posted:

Here’s my genuine opinion on Singer: if even a fraction of the rumors are true, and by proxy that would include the “open secret” element of visibility, then a loving lot of other people would have to know about it. Singer didn’t start as a producer; he came up through the system. There would have to be an element of protection involved in his continued employment and success.

And to clarify: that’s where my comparison to Savile comes in. When he was exposed, a ton of other enablers were exposed as well. People who worked deeply in the entertainment industry.

In Savile’s case, IIRC, even Maggie Thatcher was mentioned, pretty much confirming she was a poo poo-tier garbage person.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

syscall girl posted:

The thing about Savile was the extreme nature of what he did.

Putting the iron lady on the list is wow, okay. poo poo. But raping kids in a hospital and even the morgue that guy was a piece of work.

Not trying to defend Singer.

While there's no specific evidence to suggest Thatcher was involved in Savile's, uh, hobbies and interests, it's possible or even likely that she was at least vaguely aware of it, and it's not implausible that her estate has gone some lengths to covering it up - the redacting of documents requested by Operation Yewtree does not reflect favourably in this context and it is now known that she was warned by the honours committee about his lifestyle but nevertheless continued to lobby for him to get a knighthood. That said, she was racist scum, so I admit I am quick to assume the worst about that piece of loving poo poo.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Fart City posted:

I mean you said it yourself: he brought it up himself. Wheaton isn't like,a test-case for other people who might not have known what people related to them were doing. He basically said "HEY GUYS LET ME MEDITATE" and then didn't offer any follow-up. I don't think anyone in this thread has basically said "go after everyone related en masse without proof or reason."

Or, you know, he's entitled to keep his thoughts on the matter private and opt not to make a big public show of disavowing someone that was part of his life. He doesn't owe anyone poo poo.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Fart City posted:

Let me kind of do a follow-up in this responsibility deal: as I mentioned in a previous post, celebrity gives you a platform. Ideally you would use that platform for good, by forwarding good social change and giving voice to people who don't have it. Wil Wheaton, beyond the Hardwick thing, has an issue with being an Internet Celebrity who seems to walk into an infinite amount of rakes in public discourse.



Fart City posted:

Him being noncommittal in the Hardwick thing is gross.

Or perhaps he decided not to make a big public show of whatever he decided, which he is also entitled to.


Fart City posted:

His transphobia-by-association is equally gross.

Sorry, but this is stupid. He's not responsible for the opinions held by people who may be vaguely within his orbit, and where do you draw the line with this? It reads like:

Deadguy2322 posted:

But it's not enough to be responsible for your own actions! You have to be responsible for everyone you know!




Fart City posted:

I don't talk about it much (why would I, who the gently caress cares?) but I'm trans. I'm older, too. I grew up with Wil Wheaton. He was an early Known Quantity in internet culture. He coasted for a longtime by being an innocuous "good guy," but every time he's been called into the spotlight for his opinions or associations he's buckled.

Seems like this is more about you, than it is him.


Fart City posted:

He tweeted about it. Maybe he doesn't owe anyone poo poo, but if that's true he shouldn't expect poo poo from anyone. Celebrity is a social contract.
The fact that you're still ragging on the fact that he didn't follow up that tweet seems to be more about you feeling like you have an entitlement to him rather than him expecting anything of anyone.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Fart City posted:

Nah. It's about social responsibility. But feel free to cape for whoever you want to. That's your right.

And feel free to continue putting famous people on pedestals, as is your right to do so.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Alan_Shore posted:

Not really, everyone that's accused him has been discredited, and traumatized child actors like Caulkin and Feldman stick up for him, so there's definitely room for doubt.

And Feldman in particular doesn't appear to be shy about making claims, so why would he suddenly change his tune when it comes to Jacko, right?

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

And when you get statements from people that would otherwise fit the profile of those who were allegedly victimised by Jackson, it muddies the water and creates further doubt. As has been stated, I don't think we'll ever actually know.

That said, he apparently had a stash of kiddie porn, so yeah, so there's a reasonable chance he was a paedophile.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

DrVenkman posted:

Nah, again this is down to shoddy reporting. He had a lot of nudist/naturist books and magazines. He had some books that had kids in them, but you can go and buy those on Amazon right now.

You or I might fairly say well that's messed up to even have those books, but they're not illegal. The prosecution tried making the case that these were just grooming materials even if they're 'art', but this fell apart when the kids admitted that Jackson had never shown them anything like that. The prosecution also thought they had a smoking gun when two brothers admitted to looking at porn on Jacksons computer until they testified that not only was Jackson not in the country when they did this but that he got annoyed when he found out what they did.

I personally wouldn't be surprised if Jackson abstained from sex altogether. His marriage to Lisa Marie and the whole thing with the mother of his kids seemed more like damage control than anything else.

OK, I wasn't aware that there were some mitigating factors involved there. While it's not a good look, it certainly does cast a new light on things.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Fart City posted:

Good. With this fucker’s well-documented history of misogynistic behavior, hopefully it opens the floodgates.

Honestly, I'm surprised he didn't get called out earlier.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Rhyno posted:

Be kind of funny horrifying if he'd named some poo poo he hasn't been accused of yet.

While getting visibly aroused.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007


Note: the shock jock in question, Bubba The Love Sponge, got the poo poo absolutely knocked out of him by a female pro-wrestler who had been organising relief efforts in Haiti after that earthquake back in 2010 or thereabouts, when he repeatedly tweeted "gently caress Hati" (sic). Apparently it was an absolute clobbering. He lost his job when he called her a "black bitch" on his show. Oh, and he secretly filmed Hulk Hogan loving his wife and leaked it.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

davidspackage posted:

Every man in that story sounds like a buffoon, so at least it's kind of empowering to Kirk.

Yeah, but the best she can get out of it is a bunch of obscure movies that don't even register at any level when released, or minor, blind-and-you'll-miss-it roles in major films like an uncredited role in a Liam Neeson action vehicle. Oh, and that OJ movie that will, in all likelihood, make just about every distributor go "That's a no from us, thanks. Fuckin' yikes," assuming it even gets finished.

Fair enough that she'd be a bit grumpy, I suppose.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

IShallRiseAgain posted:

There was Lena Dunham who admitted to raping her little sister, and didn't even seem to realize what was wrong with that.

Yeah, about that...

https://www.vox.com/2014/11/8/7157065/dunham-child-abuse


"Lena Dunham raped her sister" is the new "Jane Fonda killed American POWs in Vietnam."

edogawa rando fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Mar 31, 2019

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edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Anonymous John posted:

The bitch did lie to discredit an alleged rape victim who accused a friend of Dunham, so gently caress her nonetheless.

Well yeah, hold her accountable for poo poo that actually happened, rather than some event that was spun by some lovely right wing publication with the intention of defaming her.

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