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Burkion
May 10, 2012

Changeman! And Not A Moment Too Soon!


please be good


Please don't be poo poo

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Burkion
May 10, 2012

Changeman! And Not A Moment Too Soon!


That

Okay sure okay fine okay sure

Burkion
May 10, 2012

Changeman! And Not A Moment Too Soon!


Okay ignoring that the music is kind of annoying


That's not how the First Doctor would react to seeing a future version of himself.

He'd immediately be jumping down Capaldi's throat about how his hair was and the clothes he was wearing and his eyebrows.

For the love of Christ we KNOW how the First Doctor responds to future iterations of himself- casual insulting dismissal!

"So you two are my replacements are you? A dandy and a clown!"

is one of my favorite lines in all of Doctor Who.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

Changeman! And Not A Moment Too Soon!


Just

Okay let me make this clear. The actor is fine. He's great. He plays the role in a fundamentally different way but, like JaKiri just pointed out, dude is nearly 20 years older than Hartnel was when he took the role. Of course he's going to be a bit slower in delivery.

It's the writing that I'm talking about here. This is not the First Doctor. I don't know WHAT Moffat is going for here, but this is not how the First Doctor acts.

The First Doctor is all about using understated comments to great effect, and while he had a sense of humor it wasn't anything like this.

Honestly given the look of the TARDIS and Capaldi's demeanor, I would imagine the first doctor would compare him to an excited teenager


It's yet another actor being let down by the writing. But

Hopefully it'll get better?

Burkion
May 10, 2012

Changeman! And Not A Moment Too Soon!


Why would the Doctor be sexist

Literally why

He was never written to be sexist. He has always been a flawed character but sexism was never SUPPOSED to be one of those flaws

It would creep in because of societal norms, but for the love of Christ Verity Lambert had a huge hand in the First Doctor's character and portrayal

*WHY* would you want to do this

Burkion
May 10, 2012

Changeman! And Not A Moment Too Soon!


The Master is presented as sexist IN THE CONTEXT OF THE SHOW because he's an awful monster and murderer


WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS WITH THE DOCTOR AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE DOCTOR WHO IS KIND OF FAMOUS FOR HAVING A WOMAN SHOW RUNNER WHICH IS STILL loving RARE YOU PIECE OF poo poo HACK

Burkion
May 10, 2012

Changeman! And Not A Moment Too Soon!


That

Better not be in the actual episode.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

Changeman! And Not A Moment Too Soon!


Bicyclops posted:

I was holding out hope, but if those lines are in it, there really will be nothing to excuse most of them. That last one in particular, Christ. Like, bad no matter what, but if it's Polly and Ben One, it's supposed to be him after he's already evolved a bunch. I hope none of those are in the episode.

The dusting and spring cleaning ones are the only ones that even border on acceptable.

Even those read like something the First Doctor would say TO a sexist rear end in a top hat in a mocking way

Burkion
May 10, 2012

Changeman! And Not A Moment Too Soon!


That's because it's not.


That's a stupid person's idea of what a sexist 1960s man would say to an uppity child.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

Changeman! And Not A Moment Too Soon!


Again, the worst aspects of the Doctor was a reflection of his WRITERS, not his character.

His character he would have no reason to be sexist or appalled at a bisexual/lesbian woman because why would he?

This is just

loving Christ I hope this isn't in there

Burkion
May 10, 2012

Changeman! And Not A Moment Too Soon!


For what REASON would you have that on Doctor Who

Burkion
May 10, 2012

Changeman! And Not A Moment Too Soon!


Rhyno posted:

I forgot this thread existed and just caught up on it.


Holy poo poo I wish I hadn't done that.

Yeah it's

Not looking great

Burkion
May 10, 2012

Changeman! And Not A Moment Too Soon!


I just wanted good Doctor Who


And the worst thing is that a lot of the worst kind of nerds are going to blame the quality on the new Doctor rather than the one actually responsible

Burkion
May 10, 2012

Changeman! And Not A Moment Too Soon!


The main hope, I think, is that since India and Britain have a far more


Personal

History

They'll know better than to gently caress it up.

Rosa Parks and the American Civil Rights stuff? That's about as in their wheel house as the Russian Revolution

Burkion
May 10, 2012

Changeman! And Not A Moment Too Soon!


Where are the Dalek pics?

Burkion
May 10, 2012

Changeman! And Not A Moment Too Soon!


I'd like it if we could have a slightly modern design with the classic's intention- that being the different classes of Daleks have different colors and markings. It makes them feel like an actual species and not just Random Monsters

Burkion
May 10, 2012

Changeman! And Not A Moment Too Soon!


Davros1 posted:

They did that with the Paradigm Daleks

I mean, that's what they tried to do

But those things flopped so hard that we only got, what, one of them back again? And massively recolored to boot.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

Changeman! And Not A Moment Too Soon!


Davros1 posted:

Also, no 2 parters

I

Mm

Mmmm

Burkion
May 10, 2012

Changeman! And Not A Moment Too Soon!


So with Chibs saying No Daleks

Does that mean he's lying, or that the things people thought were Daleks in the leaked footage weren't?

Burkion
May 10, 2012

Changeman! And Not A Moment Too Soon!


Bicyclops posted:

Yeah, we could use a break from most of the classic Who villains and I'm never worried about a break from two-parters. If anything, this hopefully means they aren't doing that thing that was rumored in which the over-arching plot is the Doctor being in three different eras.

I'm just

Thinking of the Power of Three


that really needed to be a two parter...

Burkion
May 10, 2012

Changeman! And Not A Moment Too Soon!


That's


Not the entire set right?

Burkion
May 10, 2012

Changeman! And Not A Moment Too Soon!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3r8KN17wP0


The reason why this works so well is that these heroes are artificially jacked up with 1950s Bullshit, and aren't how they REALLY are

And Green Lantern BARELY tolerates that regardless

Burkion
May 10, 2012

Changeman! And Not A Moment Too Soon!


No way is it going to be a Dalek

Those things haven't been scary since

Burkion
May 10, 2012

Changeman! And Not A Moment Too Soon!


I really would like it to be a Dalek, but with how poorly they've been treated since

Dalek

I don't know if I'd believe the Doctor calling them the most dangerous thing in the universe

Burkion
May 10, 2012

Changeman! And Not A Moment Too Soon!


Okay Chib


Please get this right. Daleks are pretty much the most important enemy to get right in Doctor Who.

Every Doctor needs one good encounter with them.


Twelve will get one in Big Finish, I'm sure.

Please Chib, do this right

Burkion
May 10, 2012

Changeman! And Not A Moment Too Soon!


AndyElusive posted:

12 has been inside one already and also there's that entire thing where Davros brought him to Skarro.

Let's see

One is a terrible rehash of a much better episode that never pays off in any meaningful way

The other is more just an excuse to talk to Davros and has almost nothing to do with the Daleks themselves, and is a pretty lovely episode all the way around.

No, no, I think 12 deserves a teeny bit better.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

Changeman! And Not A Moment Too Soon!


Daleks are THE time to show the best of the Doctor.

I'm in, let's go.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

Changeman! And Not A Moment Too Soon!


Bicyclops posted:

Man, I sort of think the Daleks are silly and hard to make scary, but this is weirdly true! Some of the big defining moments for One, Two, Four, Six, Nine, Ten and Twelve are all Dalek or Davros related.

It's easy to forget after the poo poo they've been in, but the Daleks are a terrifying enemy.


When they're done right, they're smart, cunning, tenacious and most of all, determined. They share a lot of qualities with the Doctor, which the show has pointed out even in some of the more dire moments of Dalek appearances.

Because the core of the Dalek and the core of the Doctor are polar opposites. Where the Doctor, deep down, is a kind person, a person who wants the best for others, the Daleks are not. They are fascism made flesh. They are hate mongers, xenophobic, and horrifically amoral. Other races are at best slaves, otherwise killed on the spot.

But they have all of those traits above as well- it's why they rose up from being stuck on a dead planet in one city, to being able to wage a war across all of time and space with beings that have transcended death itself, and they were WINNING.

You go back and try to stop them from ever being made, and this is their goddamn response

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjt3YFHJ17I


There's a lot wrong with the first Dalek episode of RTD's run, mostly due to the absurd jackass in it. But the Dalek and its relationship with the Doctor is absolutely spot on.

And they've earned that place in Who, both in universe and out. We wouldn't have Doctor Who without the Daleks.

So Chibsters, please. Don't gently caress this up. Doctor V Dalek is the prime time spot to show off your poo poo.

Because much like that above perfectly sums up the Daleks as a whole- gently caress Davros for the record-

This sums up the Doctor and her motivations at their core

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwVG3XuOU5g

Burkion
May 10, 2012

Changeman! And Not A Moment Too Soon!


Fandoms are a horrible mistake


Shame we live in a paradox where we can never escape them

Burkion
May 10, 2012

Changeman! And Not A Moment Too Soon!


usenet celeb 1992 posted:

i already knew, that's kind of stretching the


gently caress, i didn


GOD drat IT PEOPLE WHAT DID I JUST SAY

(The answer is that Mike isn't as bad as that makes it sound and Joel hasn't ever commented on his politics that I'm aware of, but has always held extremely leftist, Hippie views. Like if Mr. Rogers smoked pot)

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Burkion
May 10, 2012

Changeman! And Not A Moment Too Soon!


Big Mean Jerk posted:



I also donít like any of her theater riffs thus far because none of them have landed.

Now you're Mr. Cabinet might be one of my favorite off the cuff riffs from season 11, so I can't agree

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