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Jay Rust posted:These “get X% trade power in some node” missions are pretty tough! Is there a trick to them besides “spam light ships” yeah they’re bad missions unless they align with your immediate plans, if possible conquest of trade centres and trade war for trade power/steering is really your only option as advisors and province edicts can only do so much
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Thinking of starting as Lithuania and aiming for Uncommonwealth achievement (create Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth as Lithuania so it's more of LPC rather than PLC). Do I understand correctly there are no railroading events for that? Missions suggest that I just have to use claim throne CB they give me but it doesn't feel commonwealthy.
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Feb 28, 2021 10:40
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According to the wiki you either get your dynasty in charge of Poland after their interregnum and use claim throne then form Commonwealth diplomatically at admin 10, or you can take certain key provinces off them and form it militarily
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Feb 28, 2021 10:51
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Yeah, but there's nothing special you can do to get your dynasty in charge of Poland, right? You're in the same position as other Catholic countries except for claim throne CB from missions.
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Feb 28, 2021 11:12
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PittTheElder posted:Seeing screenshots always makes me sad about how badly the AI Ottomans underperform.
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Feb 28, 2021 11:49
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I've been seeing the Ottomans mostly leave the Mamluks alone while getting into hundred years grudge matches with the Commonwealth.
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Feb 28, 2021 11:56
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If they get Crimea that's what triggers them to go insane on the steppe. It helps also that PLC tends to get in big wars with other powers whereas Mamluks have basically no threat besides Ottomans most of the time. Even the AI can tell what's what.
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Feb 28, 2021 12:56
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ilitarist posted:Yeah, but there's nothing special you can do to get your dynasty in charge of Poland, right? You're in the same position as other Catholic countries except for claim throne CB from missions. Correct. Lithuania does not get a free Poland. This is why it's an achievement. (Conversely, player Aragon does not get an achievement for forming Spain.)
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Feb 28, 2021 13:07
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Man, it really feels like a Byzantium game comes down to Byzantium vs Spain because a bunch of the land you need to take in Southern Italy, Sicily, the Western Isles, possibly Tunis, and obviously Hispania almost always end up in the hands of Castille/Spain. And it's kind of hard to make the jump to grab them early before the PU/integration happens because then you'd be spending precious admin points coring that stuff up when you need to be using it on the ottoman/balkan lands that are you're more immediate concern. PittTheElder posted:Seeing screenshots always makes me sad about how badly the AI Ottomans underperform. What if it's because the rise of a player run Byzantium destroyed the Ottomans?  The current state of the Med/Europe/parts of Asia in my game. Imereti is still my PU and I'm currently allied with France, Poland (who has the only other ports on the Black Sea) and Persia. France also has a 62 year old heir less monarch right now who is leading/drilling an army and if they die a noble from my house will take the throne, although I don't know if I'll get a PU. There's a whole bunch of weird alliances in Europe which is almost entirely Catholic and Spain is the defender of the Catholic Faith, so calling for any war into Europe is going to drag Spain into it. I've been kind of sitting around waiting for a few peaces to wear off so that I can call for a war again, but it has allowed to me to build up a massive army and make a lot of needed improvements. I think I may have to go after Spain first to try and chip off Southern Italy and/or some of the Western Med Isles plus Spain is allied with Venice and the Papal States, so I can grab that lone Venice province that is part of my northern border. It's either that or another Mamluk war, but I think they are allied with Persia now too and I don't want to break my alliance with them just yet. edit - oh and yeah, I'm totally amused that Hungary died and was replaced by Transylvania. TMMadman fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Feb 28, 2021 |
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Feb 28, 2021 17:36
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Release Sicily as a vassal instead of coring if you need to worry about that region early.
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Feb 28, 2021 17:50
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yikes! posted:Release Sicily as a vassal instead of coring if you need to worry about that region early. Yeah that would work too I guess, but it's still had to justify trying to jump over to grab it when you have to much more ottoman/balkan land to grab first. I mean I did manage to grab a single Naples province before the integration happened and then got a couple more after they got broken up. I guess it would kind of depend on how the alliances shake out. Also, it feels weird because of the way the mission tree is set up because 'Secure the Western Isles' is in the 2nd row while 'Secure Southern Italy' is in the 5th row. TMMadman fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Feb 28, 2021 |
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Feb 28, 2021 17:52
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PittTheElder posted:Seeing screenshots always makes me sad about how badly the AI Ottomans underperform.  Here you go. I finally got around to finishing my Odoyev achievement run that I kept taking breaks from because the Ottomans were beating the poo poo out of me every 10 years with their 1M+ troops
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Feb 28, 2021 19:21
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I have just started a Poland game and I can't wait to butt heads with the Ottomans. 
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Feb 28, 2021 19:29
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I'm going for the Kongo achievement (own and core all of Africa) Soooo... Is this Africa? 
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Feb 28, 2021 19:43
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I forgot that mousing over the cheevo in the cheevobox outlines the needed provinces, and the answer is No, turns out those European provinces are in Europe
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Feb 28, 2021 19:50
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Macaronesia is european, the rest of the maghreb region is african, no this makes no sense to anyone else either.
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Feb 28, 2021 20:30
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TheFlyingLlama posted:Macaronesia is european, the rest of the maghreb region is african, no this makes no sense to anyone else either. There was a mission for Spain to own all the provinces in Iberia and players were having trouble understanding why it wasn't triggering when they owned everything but Macaronesia.
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Feb 28, 2021 20:41
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ilitarist posted:Yeah, but there's nothing special you can do to get your dynasty in charge of Poland, right? You're in the same position as other Catholic countries except for claim throne CB from missions. From the wiki quote:Poland begins the game in interregnum. So simply royal marrying Poland is usually sufficient to ensure that the same dynasty gets on the throne Haven't tried it myself but apparently it's quite easy? I don't understand why it's supposedly so easy for player Lithuania to get the same dynasty over AIs that might also marry Poland though
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Feb 28, 2021 21:15
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so that's...technically true, but it doesn't include the fact that actually getting your dynasty on board before the Jagiellonian event fires is going to take resets, a lot of resets.
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Feb 28, 2021 21:36
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Maybe it's a tip for an older version of a game when you didn't have missions to get claim throne CB. Now it's easy to get and royal marriage doesn't give you advantages unless you're fishing for peaceful PU which is unreliable. Historically Poland basically invited Lithuanian grand duke to rule and he only agreed with the condition that the union is balanced. It was still more Polish than Lithuanian but I expected Lithuanian dominance to be a possibility. They already prevent player from being PU'd by Poland, could have gone farther.
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Feb 28, 2021 21:43
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Heh, I didn't have to wait long after my last post to grab southern italy. A short time after that last screenshot, Spain called a war against Tunis while low on reserve manpower and so I moved armies into position while they were at war and just absolutely steamrolled through Sicily, Southern Italy, and Spanish allied Papal States from my provinces there while slamming into their other ally Venice from the Balkans as the third branch of my forces moved into the Iberian Peninsula from positions in my ally France. By the time I had to face close to even strength stacks for my original invading armies my armies from Italy had arrived and I drove them across the straits into Africa. I had to start a massive naval battle which I barely won (although I did manage to capture the Spanish flagship) to drag the blockade away from the strait and then I streamed across, captured Fez and had another big fight with a Spanish army. I could have easily finished occupying the rest of Spanish Africa, but by that point I had enough war score to take all of Southern Italy and Sardinia plus get a core returned to France and war reparations plus a little cash so I took it. I'm betting that France is about to declare war on Spain because Spain still has two French cores and I deliberately didn't call France into the war even through the were willing to join about 3/4 of the way through it.
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Mar 1, 2021 03:03
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Groke posted:Correct. Lithuania does not get a free Poland. This is why it's an achievement. If you play as Aragon and have an AI Castille, you get the event to PU them, rather than the AI<->AI vice versa.
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TheFlyingLlama posted:so that's...technically true, but it doesn't include the fact that actually getting your dynasty on board before the Jagiellonian event fires is going to take resets, a lot of resets. Lithuania is stronger than Poland. I don't see why you wouldn't just kick their rear end and take the provinces you need. Especially because they'll probably rival multiple strong people on their opposite border and/or get hosed by Ottomans over and over.
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Mar 1, 2021 03:18
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that was honestly kinda my point; you could try to restart over and over to get an early PU with Lithuania...or you could just do enough of the mission tree to get it way easier. Pre-Mission tree trying to cheese the interregnum was probably more viable, but I don't think there's any point to trying it anymore.
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Mar 1, 2021 03:25
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What am I missing here? Why won't the mission count as completed? 
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Mar 1, 2021 04:00
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Hahahahaha. It happened. The French king died and I became the leading partner of a PU with France who was already my ally with a +200 relationship.
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Jay Rust posted:What am I missing here? Why won't the mission count as completed?
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Mar 1, 2021 11:31
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Poil posted:I've had that issue myself. It didn't trigger successfully until the AI stopped privateering. Maybe the game doesn't apply the penalty to privateering properly for it or the number is wrong so it actually needs 0%, no idea. Yeah that agenda seems extremely bugged. I've been avoiding it as much as possible.
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Mar 1, 2021 12:00
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Beamed posted:If you play as Aragon and have an AI Castille, you get the event to PU them, rather than the AI<->AI vice versa. Yes, exactly. Aragon gets a free Castille, so forming Spain as Aragon is not worthy of an achievement. Lithuania does not get a free Poland, hence the achievement.
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Mar 1, 2021 12:08
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I was thinking about turning off mods to do a Russia(n minor) achievement run and here's more evidence that the AI's opening moves are anti-player: starting as Odoyev, Ryazan peacefully became a Great Horde tributary 3/4 times. Started four times each as Novgorod and Muscovy to check, and Ryazan never does this. I'm not sure how I feel about this.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I was thinking about turning off mods to do a Russia(n minor) achievement run and here's more evidence that the AI's opening moves are anti-player: starting as Odoyev, Ryazan peacefully became a Great Horde tributary 3/4 times. Started four times each as Novgorod and Muscovy to check, and Ryazan never does this. You have a good chance of getting instant claims from the estate missions so just restart until you get one and declare on Dec 11 before they can ally/tributize themselves.
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I decided to do Serbia and it's been a weird one Naples got Burgundy and me, them, Austria, and Commonwealth are hellwarring the cursed Spain/Otto alliance.
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Mar 2, 2021 02:02
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cologne and nogai tying for first place in the "unlikely success story" category
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Mar 2, 2021 02:07
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I decided to do Serbia and it's been a weird one 
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Mar 2, 2021 02:14
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red ottoman empire? that's correct.
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Mar 2, 2021 03:09
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 for real though the Ottomans do not have a great shade of green in the base game
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Mar 2, 2021 04:08
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Blue Portgual is hosed up, I don't care if it was the monarchy's actual colors it looks terrible
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Mar 2, 2021 04:17
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I was having a chill Lithuania game wondering why did I put away this objectively best strategy game on account of it being too stressful. It's the most proactive Paradox game requiring you to look for opportunities everywhere, but it's calming and soothing. Snatch Novgorod TC and vassalize Odoyev when Muscowy attacks Novgorod. Get some of Livonia and vassalize Riga, instantly ally spawning Drezden and help them in their war against Teutons, again getting some land from Livonian Order. Diplovassalize Theodoro, annex Odoyev, help Poland in their useless wars. Promise Genoa land in Crimea, capture Crimea and give nothing to those Italians, laugh. Then Muscowy attacks and Poland bails out of the alliance. I have 0 manpower and half of Muscowite army. I turn off the PC and go to sleep. Now when I think about the game I feel dread. I can probably struggle through the war with minor concessions but boy would that be anti-chill. I'm tempted to just unconditionally surrender cause then I won't lose prosperity and gain devastation. So I wonder if this can be a better move from an in-game POV, not just because I don't want to go into 20 loans to turn the war around and chip some land from Muscowy.
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Mar 2, 2021 08:18
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Lithuania is arguably not the best choice for a chill game, no.
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But murdering Muscovy as soon as possibly, or at the very least take one of the provinces they need to form Russia, would help you a lot.
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