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Dejan Bimble posted:It's also a decent description of our business environment. Huge firms that don't even make a show of competing with one another, only squabbling over brand new territories and regulatory manipulations and subsidies. All the stuff people who love to say "take econ101 jackass" is wrong in most cases, from price curves to competition, government debt in currency sovereigns and so on. To top that, Adam Smith was against rentiers and monopolists and was for a lot of things people would consider very leftist today. We are swimming in a sea of chicago school reactionary economic propaganda that exists to benefit a few assholes. drat I missed SAS
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:This video is for every fan wishing their team would tank Jesus
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Dejan Bimble posted:It's also a decent description of our business environment. Huge firms that don't even make a show of competing with one another, only squabbling over brand new territories and regulatory manipulations and subsidies. All the stuff people who love to say "take econ101 jackass" is wrong in most cases, from price curves to competition, government debt in currency sovereigns and so on. To top that, Adam Smith was against rentiers and monopolists and was for a lot of things people would consider very leftist today. We are swimming in a sea of chicago school reactionary economic propaganda that exists to benefit a few assholes. Thank you
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:This video is for every fan wishing their team would tank Wow i just came to post this, absolutely disgusting. Coach has already been fired, what more can you do? This makes me sad because my Orlando Magic are actually trying to win and look this bad sometimes.
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He's a magical man. https://twitter.com/tallmaurice/status/937348166235623424
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EvanTH posted:maybe you don't see that popular sentiment because, at least here in the USA, once people start to organize against wealth they are systematically dismantled and crushed One time on reddit I said I would enjoy the NBA more if the players owned the team, and I got down-voted into the negatives and like a dozen people told me it wouldn’t work because the players would pay themselves a billion dollars and they just didn’t have the business skills to run a team as successfully as someone like James Dolan can. That doesn’t really have anything to do with what you’re saying but it sure is nice to have a place to discuss basketball that isn’t full of idiots.
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I didn't see this posted but Dave Joerger benched the entire starting unit 3 minutes into the game because they were playing like poo poo https://twitter.com/TonyXypteras/status/937137367684612102
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Portland has the 2nd best defense. How is this happening. They have somehow managed to combine hard close outs with good defensive rebounding and good paint defense.
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dokmo posted:Portland has the 2nd best defense. How is this happening. They have somehow managed to combine hard close outs with good defensive rebounding and good paint defense. I’ve only watched them once this year, are the guys around them just playing out of this world or did Lillard and CJ elevate to mediocre?
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I've been watching more Donovan Mitchell, and teams still aren't covering him on the line like he's a high volume 3p-maker. Once he gets the ball on the move and heads toward the lane, teams react, but they're giving him lots of breathing room on the line.dokmo posted:Portland has the 2nd best defense. How is this happening. They have somehow managed to combine hard close outs with good defensive rebounding and good paint defense. There are a lot of possessions where Nurkic is left to rebound 1 v 4 so that Portland might be in good position for aggressive closeouts. When teams beat them it's on stuff where they trick those hard closeouts and just pop up a short midrange shot or something like that. Aminu wasn't even healthy until the last game. Maybe it's all because of Noah Vonleh
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I remember that the Blazers defense was top 5 after the Nurkic trade when he was healthy, so I'm not too surprised I guess?
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Spoeank posted:I didn't see this posted but Dave Joerger benched the entire starting unit 3 minutes into the game because they were playing like poo poo People keep bitching about how he's always messing around with who starts and seem to ignore the fact that every starting lineup he tries always seems to be down 20 at the end of the first
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WhyteRyce posted:People keep bitching about how he's always messing around with who starts and seem to ignore the fact that every starting lineup he tries always seems to be down 20 at the end of the first Can you give us a mini update on what's going on with this team? Is Cauley Stein ever going to be good? Does George Hill have clinical depression? How good is Bogdan (Aka the non traitor Bogdanovic) Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Dec 3, 2017 |
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Ed Davis has been having a good year defensively and is maybe Portland's best player off the bench. Noah Vonleh and Aminu are basically having career years. Moe Harkless is having an OK year defensively Evan Turner is doing less ball handling and has been able to focus on defense, the one thing he has the potential to not be a net negative at. Meyers Leonard has been relegated to the end of the bench and he stinks at defense with Pat Connaughton -- who isn't a big dumb lumbering oaf -- eating up a lot of those minutes. Shabazz Napier has somehow morphed into an extremely competent player. So yeah, basically every single one of Portland's good defenders is having a career or near-career year and its worst defensive role players have either been relegated or shipped off and replaced with people who are seemingly OK at defense.
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George Hill looks busted or at least banged up and not comfortable being the primary play maker WCS looked good after being moved to the second unit. Still inconsistent at times, which is a bit worrying given his timeline and history. But that bug effects the entire team. He has great chemistry with Bogdan and probably why he perked up in the second unit. Pretty decent and willing passer. Rebounding is still suboptimal and not something he'll ever excel at Bogdan is good. He's smart offensively. Not a PG but comfortable making plays for others and fantastic at WCS lobs. He's way more dynamic on offense than Hield and probably has supplanted him for good in the rotation. Smarter on defense too. His 3pt shooting actually has been poor compared to what he did overseas, so when he adjusts he'll be an even bigger threat. Hield has been struggling. Kind of revived himself when moving to the bench and coming out as a pure gunner. Mason looks good. Doing exactly what you'd expect a short 4 year college PG from a good program to do. Joerger likes him too so he's going to be a rotation fixture for the foreseeable future Fox is looks raw and rough but with good flashes here and there. His jumper isn't great but his mid-range shot looks better than I thought. He just needs to be smarter about when to take them and not settle. Don't really see much evidence of advance floor general skills at least in the half court yet Skal is struggling. He's completely exposed when defending the perimeter and having problems playing in a more rigid system as opposed to the free wheeling we were doing last year. Offensively is not taking good or smart shots, sometimes trying weird power moves for some reason instead of utilizing his length Justin Jackson is poo poo and seeing Mitchell, Kuzma, and Og all exceeding expectations while our NBA ready high floor college winner looks overwhelmed pisses me off. Biggest issue with the team is inconsistency. Every player, young to old, seems to poo poo the bed every second or third game. WhyteRyce fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Dec 3, 2017 |
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dokmo posted:Portland has the 2nd best defense. How is this happening. They have somehow managed to combine hard close outs with good defensive rebounding and good paint defense. Small sample size
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:Small sample size They were up there post nurkic trade last year too WhyteRyce posted:George Hill looks busted or at least banged up and not comfortable being the primary play maker I appreciate that. I've seen Zach Randolph, now a center, alternating between 56% shooting 22 pt games and 35% shooting 10 point games. Justin Jackson looked like such an obvious bust, but if Shabazz Napier can become an okay role player 4 years in, maybe we just have to sit back and wait. leftist heap posted:Ed Davis has been having a good year defensively and is maybe Portland's best player off the bench. Noah Vonleh and Aminu are basically having career years. Moe Harkless is having an OK year defensively Evan Turner is doing less ball handling and has been able to focus on defense, the one thing he has the potential to not be a net negative at. Meyers Leonard has been relegated to the end of the bench and he stinks at defense with Pat Connaughton -- who isn't a big dumb lumbering oaf -- eating up a lot of those minutes. Shabazz Napier has somehow morphed into an extremely competent player. It's shocking that even Combine fraudster Pat Connaughton is really doing it up for Portland. I've been watching their local stream for the last week and it's really nice how they actually talk about basketball plays and not generic cliches.
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WhyteRyce posted:Justin Jackson has a theoretical skill set that would make him a decent role player. But rebuilding teams shouldn't be using lottery picks to draft a future potential 8th man in the rotation when there are actual good prospects on the board They had somewhat pinned themselves in a corner by having two extremely developmental bigs and still longing to be decent in their new arena. If you look at all the promising players that could have been selected instead of jackson, they're nearly all centers and power forwards. I'm guessing they didn't want to pick another big prospect and get ridiculed. The exceptions are Og Anuboby who we knew beforehand that 75% of teams from pick 10 on should have picked unless he has some degenerative cartilage thing we don't know about, Sindarius Thornwell who was born to be a second round pick, and maybe Josh Hart. But so many of the guys they didn't take are showing promise, Bam Adebadayo looks like he could be an NBA player even if his ceiling is solid starter, Kyle Kuzma even though he's an offense only big which is terrifying, Jarret Allen who's a huge strong giant, excretere. The jack of all trades wing usually takes time to develop. Josh Hart could become a solid player, Wesley Iwundu might (no he won't), and if Josh Jackson can improve every part of his craft and conditioning he might be something. But Sacramento doesn't seem like an organization you would trust to develop young players and put them in a position to succeed. Jackson didn't look especially good in college, even as a senior
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Dejan Bimble posted:They had somewhat pinned themselves in a corner by having two extremely developmental bigs and still longing to be decent in their new arena. If you look at all the promising players that could have been selected instead of jackson, they're nearly all centers and power forwards. I'm guessing they didn't want to pick another big prospect and get ridiculed. You know they drafted Harry Gilles at 20, right?
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WhyteRyce posted:You know they drafted Harry Gilles at 20, right? That was with the knowledge that he wasn't going to play for at least 50% of the season, a draft and half season stash. Plus he was the preseason number 1, and nobody ever criticizes you for gambling late on that kind of guy.
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:This video is for every fan wishing their team would tank One thing that is shocking about this is that they are actually leading the East Conference leader on their home floor. You'd think that might inspire some effort on D.
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:Small sample size There is definitely some of this. The eye test certainly doesn't hold up for them being the 2nd best defense in the league or anything like that, but their improvement over last season is huge and noticeable and definitely not just sample size.
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:This video is for every fan wishing their team would tank My favorite part of this is Booker's angry aw-shucks at the end after putting in almost no effort into the entire possession.
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leftist heap posted:There is definitely some of this. The eye test certainly doesn't hold up for them being the 2nd best defense in the league or anything like that, but their improvement over last season is huge and noticeable and definitely not just sample size. A huge part of Portland's improvement on defense is because of the back court. Lillard and McCollum aren't constantly getting picked on in P&R. They are by no means good but they aren't near the bottom of the league anymore which helps a lot.
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RIP to both those young fellas.
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Dejan Bimble posted:They had somewhat pinned themselves in a corner by having two extremely developmental bigs and still longing to be decent in their new arena. If you look at all the promising players that could have been selected instead of jackson, they're nearly all centers and power forwards. I'm guessing they didn't want to pick another big prospect and get ridiculed. The exceptions are Og Anuboby who we knew beforehand that 75% of teams from pick 10 on should have picked unless he has some degenerative cartilage thing we don't know about, Sindarius Thornwell who was born to be a second round pick, and maybe Josh Hart. I thought OG did have some weird knee thing, which is why he dropped?
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If there is a redraft does OG get picked top 10? I think so but I'm a massive homer.
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Spoeank posted:RIP to both those young fellas. The smaller dude will never recover. He’ll be 40 and see a basketball in the store and just start crying, shaking. Awful stuff
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DeimosRising posted:The smaller dude will never recover. He’ll be 40 and see a basketball in the store and just start crying, shaking. Awful stuff you never want to be the defender when the video goes slow motion, and to be it twice in the span of a couple seconds. His life was over before it ever began
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I cant believe how NBA ready OG is. Like I knew he had potential but I didn't think he'd be able to play meaningful minutes after one month. He has lots of areas to improve but his defensive and offensive positioning/instincts are already solid.
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Dejan Bimble posted:That was with the knowledge that he wasn't going to play for at least 50% of the season, a draft and half season stash. Plus he was the preseason number 1, and nobody ever criticizes you for gambling late on that kind of guy. I don't mind taking a gamble on Gilles but the same justification for him could have been used for Og. I hate the argument that Justin Jackson was a hedge against the Gilles gamble because the two things are not related at all and have no dependency on each other. Maybe Vlade felt that he needed someone now at SF but the irony here is that Jackson is trolling around the G-League while Og is playing NBA minutes
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:If there is a redraft does OG get picked top 10? I think so but I'm a massive homer. If his knee is considered to be healthy and the outside shooting isn't some outlier, then yes. He's got an amazing NBA body (those legs my god  )and seems to be smart and super coachable.
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At the start of the year Vlade gave his assessment of each player to the Sac Bee. A lot of the assessments were going over strengths and weakness and things he likes. When he got to Justin Jackson he just kept talking about how he doesn't try to do too many things. What praise
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