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Throughout almost all of human evolution humans have had to work almost non-stop, so they have evolved with the idea that they will be spending almost all of their time working. Now with industrialization humans no longer have to work all the time, but it turns out that going against evolution and not working is not healthy for a human. So the government spending billions of dollars on pointless jobs like building a 14th nuclear aircraft carrier to fight a non-existent foe is actually a form of mental healthcare spending.
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qkkl posted:Throughout almost all of human evolution humans have had to work almost non-stop, so they have evolved with the idea that they will be spending almost all of their time working. Now with industrialization humans no longer have to work all the time, but it turns out that going against evolution and not working is not healthy for a human. So the government spending billions of dollars on pointless jobs like building a 14th nuclear aircraft carrier to fight a non-existent foe is actually a form of mental healthcare spending. source your quotes
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Jun 3, 2018 21:26
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qkkl posted:Throughout almost all of human evolution humans have had to work almost non-stop, so they have evolved with the idea that they will be spending almost all of their time working. Now with industrialization humans no longer have to work all the time, but it turns out that going against evolution and not working is not healthy for a human. So the government spending billions of dollars on pointless jobs like building a 14th nuclear aircraft carrier to fight a non-existent foe is actually a form of mental healthcare spending. this is the same thing everyone's boss told them when they were striking to go from 70 to 40-hour work weeks and it was just as stupid then also we're still having this issue https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/1003376174150684672?s=19
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Jun 3, 2018 22:45
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qkkl posted:not working is not healthy for a human 
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Jun 3, 2018 22:49
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qkkl posted:Throughout almost all of human evolution humans have had to work almost non-stop, so they have evolved with the idea that they will be spending almost all of their time working. Now with industrialization humans no longer have to work all the time, but it turns out that going against evolution and not working is not healthy for a human. So the government spending billions of dollars on pointless jobs like building a 14th nuclear aircraft carrier to fight a non-existent foe is actually a form of mental healthcare spending. hahahaha, you don't know a goddamned thing about premodern humans neither
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Jun 3, 2018 22:53
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qkkl posted:Throughout almost all of human evolution humans have had to work almost non-stop, so they have evolved with the idea that they will be spending almost all of their time working. Now with industrialization humans no longer have to work all the time, but it turns out that going against evolution and not working is not healthy for a human. So the government spending billions of dollars on pointless jobs like building a 14th nuclear aircraft carrier to fight a non-existent foe is actually a form of mental healthcare spending. lol
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Jun 3, 2018 23:51
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A Buttery Pastry posted:It's not dumb handwaving, because assuming you do something sensible means you don't actually need more money to get your healthcare system to match the best in Europe! Which is my whole loving point - a massive misallocation of resources happens internally in the healthcare system, merely transferring military spending into it would be much less effective than fixing the misallocation. Main Paineframe posted:the problem with american healthcare isn't a lack of money You're both missing the point about political economy, which is that the government being the issuer of payment does make a difference - because even in an imperfect medicare for all system the government represents everyone in the system as the primary buyer of healthcare and can drive down costs. None of which is possible without a political will to realize it. It's allowing healthcare to operate outside of the political economy as a private enterprise which creates so much waste in the system. Military spending on the other hand is inherently wasteful regardless of how efficient and effective it may be. Even if the defense industry produced a Joint Strike Fighter that was actually good at what it does and came in under the deadline with no additional costs from intentional engineering flaws - it would still be a waste of resources from a social and economic viewpoint.
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Jun 4, 2018 03:45
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pre-civilization humans spent the vast majority of their time loving and gossiping and were incredibly happy for it
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Jun 4, 2018 05:02
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:You're both missing the point about political economy, which is that the government being the issuer of payment does make a difference - because even in an imperfect medicare for all system the government represents everyone in the system as the primary buyer of healthcare and can drive down costs. None of which is possible without a political will to realize it. It's allowing healthcare to operate outside of the political economy as a private enterprise which creates so much waste in the system. Pener Kropoopkin posted:Military spending on the other hand is inherently wasteful regardless of how efficient and effective it may be. Even if the defense industry produced a Joint Strike Fighter that was actually good at what it does and came in under the deadline with no additional costs from intentional engineering flaws - it would still be a waste of resources from a social and economic viewpoint.
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Jun 4, 2018 05:45
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Best Giraffe posted:if the government spent exactly as much as they do now, on healthcare, in a sane way, we would have the best funded public healthcare system in the world with absolutely no change to what we pay in taxes. tho we would all save thousands from the insurance that we would no longer require  it keeps doubling in price for a great reason: it's been determined that there is still (sugary, delicious) blood to be squeezed from the pulpy mass of humans caught in the iron grip of the insulin troika
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Jun 4, 2018 06:29
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SKULL.GIF posted:pre-civilization humans spent the vast majority of their time loving and gossiping and were incredibly happy for it gently caress gossip, though. Let's be honest here.
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Jun 4, 2018 06:43
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Taintrunner posted:gently caress gossip, though. Let's be honest here.
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Jun 4, 2018 09:00
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:You're both missing the point about political economy, which is that the government being the issuer of payment does make a difference - because even in an imperfect medicare for all system the government represents everyone in the system as the primary buyer of healthcare and can drive down costs. None of which is possible without a political will to realize it. It's allowing healthcare to operate outside of the political economy as a private enterprise which creates so much waste in the system. Military spending on the other hand is inherently wasteful regardless of how efficient and effective it may be. Even if the defense industry produced a Joint Strike Fighter that was actually good at what it does and came in under the deadline with no additional costs from intentional engineering flaws - it would still be a waste of resources from a social and economic viewpoint. do you bother reading the posts you reply to or would that take away valuable posting time
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Jun 4, 2018 09:51
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gossip is good because without it id never know my trump loving blue lives matter racist boss got cuckolded by a cop
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Jun 4, 2018 09:57
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i hate people that push the line about how defense contractors are one of the last bastions of AT&T Labs style public research or w.e. I occasionally come up on this in real life, and its like these morons havent noticed that for example, every military heavy aircraft except for stealth ones is either a modified commercial airframe or literally 90% commercial parts anyway I mean come on. The kc-10 is literally a dc-10 with most of the cargo space replaced by a tank and a cramped crew/cargo compartment
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Jun 4, 2018 10:25
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Jun 4, 2018 11:20
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requiring child labour for healthcare lol https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1002372931681509378
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Jun 4, 2018 11:21
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Jose posted:requiring child labour for healthcare lol the really surprising part is that the city didnt ticket the family for operating a food stall without a license or a food handler cert
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Jun 4, 2018 12:21
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Larry Parrish posted:the really surprising part is that the city didnt ticket the family for operating a food stall without a license or a food handler cert He white.
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Jun 4, 2018 12:24
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Jose posted:requiring child labour for healthcare lol "send you off with a smile," I love how pieces like this are played as heartwarming instead of an indictment of how hosed up things are.
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Jun 4, 2018 12:32
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A Buttery Pastry posted:No, you're missing the point that no additional money is required to achieve this - all that's required is for the US government to take advantage of its position as the primary buyer of healthcare. Your post is literally supporting my point, that reform of the healthcare system rather than merely dumping more money into it, is the solution. I never said dumping more money into it is the solution. The amount of money doesn't matter. Modern political economies have unlimited amounts of money. It's fundamentally an issue of political will. I said explicitly that it's a waste of labor, energy, and resources. Money isn't a limited resource.
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Jun 4, 2018 13:53
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:You're both missing the point about political economy, which is that the government being the issuer of payment does make a difference - because even in an imperfect medicare for all system the government represents everyone in the system as the primary buyer of healthcare and can drive down costs. None of which is possible without a political will to realize it. It's allowing healthcare to operate outside of the political economy as a private enterprise which creates so much waste in the system. this is exactly what I'm saying that has nothing to do with the actual amount of money spent by government, though like, the amount of money that the government directly spends on healthcare right now is higher than the amount it would have to spend under real UHC. even though we have a private healthcare system, the government still ends up paying huge amounts of money into it to prop various parts of it up
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Jun 4, 2018 14:50
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Larry Parrish posted:the really surprising part is that the city didnt ticket the family for operating a food stall without a license or a food handler cert it's not to late to ding him for taxes. you can't make $6,000 of income without giving uncle sam his cut
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Jun 4, 2018 15:26
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Iron Crowned posted:"send you off with a smile," I love how pieces like this are played as heartwarming instead of an indictment of how hosed up things are.
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Jun 5, 2018 01:53
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Jose posted:requiring child labour for healthcare lol that'll pay for about 10 minutes of his continuous care
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SKULL.GIF posted:pre-civilization humans spent the vast majority of their time loving and gossiping and were incredibly happy for it Incels were the driving force of civilization they built a system that looks down on loving and enjoying life
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Jun 5, 2018 02:03
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Jun 6, 2018 20:10
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FISTFIGHT ALREADY
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Jun 6, 2018 20:18
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Just another Republican thrashing Bob Shrum in public.
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Jun 6, 2018 20:42
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https://twitter.com/hello__caitlin/status/1003760792280301568
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Jun 7, 2018 06:49
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Please change my username to WalmartTM Concentration Camp Greeter.
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Jun 7, 2018 07:09
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What happened to all those people that thought the government putting concentration camps in closed Wal Marts were bad?
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Jun 7, 2018 20:29
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KomradeX posted:What happened to all those people that thought the government putting concentration camps in closed Wal Marts were bad? the government put minorities in there and they were cool with it
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KomradeX posted:What happened to all those people that thought the government putting concentration camps in closed Wal Marts were bad? FEMA coffins! 
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