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Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


Alright I'm confused now, are we or are we not sure that scum must have been on our side of the battle last night? Point me in the right direction here so I can case someone

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Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.

Retro Futurist posted:

Alright I'm confused now, are we or are we not sure that scum must have been on our side of the battle last night? Point me in the right direction here so I can case someone

We took a crazy amount of damage last night and the opposing team had a scum player on it. It seems unreasonable that there aren't at least some scum in the group of survivors.

Venom Soag
Oct 1, 2015

Tactical Sexpionage Tourism

Retro Futurist posted:

Alright I'm confused now, are we or are we not sure that scum must have been on our side of the battle last night? Point me in the right direction here so I can case someone


Natural 20 posted:

We took a crazy amount of damage last night and the opposing team had a scum player on it. It seems unreasonable that there aren't at least some scum in the group of survivors.

But not necessarily so, it could be some sort of once per game nuke, possibly from cckeane.

Venom Soag
Oct 1, 2015

Tactical Sexpionage Tourism
So it’s probable but not certain we had a scum in the battle.

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.
Yes, plausibly we had no scum.

I don't think it likely.

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


Morning all!

I want us to move things along so we can get a lunch soon and not be butting up against deadline tomorrow. I already gave instructions for healers, everyone else also make sure now that you got those day actions in. Let's start working towards a hammer starting now. Just one thing-

:siren: We will not be lunching Venom Soag today. :siren:

If he is a framed-up townie left to tell the tale of a big enemy OPG power, and genuinely as strong as he says, scum will not be able to resist the chance to finish him off while they can actually do so. Nightkills have never killed someone yet in either thread, so if they wanna pass up this chance and leave him for WIFOM it'll be dumb as poo poo. Let's not do their work for them.

Q: "Ok but what if he's scum then, genius?!"
A: Well, then let him keep contributing and talking up a storm while trying to keep up his engaged and excited townie act. I'm sure you can find a different scum today, who is instead lurking their rear end off and contributing jack poo poo. Get to it.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


Bif, apologies if I missed it but how do you feel about Soag?

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


Ok nevermind then. Serves me right for leaving that post open while I checked something else out.

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


Retro Futurist posted:

Ok nevermind then. Serves me right for leaving that post open while I checked something else out.

I believe you still owe me some overdue homework.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


Weekend's over, work baby work. I'm just trying to narrow things down, will look at those 4 today.

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


Retro Futurist posted:

Weekend's over, work baby work. I'm just trying to narrow things down, will look at those 4 today.

what 4? You mean the survivors?

I'm waiting for overall scumreads from you. Selecting from everyone.

votefinder
Jul 6, 2010

scoop scoop
:beerpal: Votecount for Day 3 :beerpal:

Venom Soag (2): busb, Drunk Nerds, Prince of Space, Drunk Nerds, busb, SirSamVimes
Drunk Nerds (1): busb
peramene (0): Venom Soag, Venom Soag
Natural 20 (0): Prince of Space, Prince of Space
SLASHER HAWKE (0): Drunk Nerds, Drunk Nerds

Not Voting (17): Anidav, Atomic Soda, Bifauxnen, curiousCat, Drunk Nerds, flerp, iajanus, Jeabus Mahogany, Little Mac, Mithross, Natural 20, peramene, Retro Futurist, SLASHER HAWKE, Tired Moritz, tpink, Venom Soag :rubshands:

With 20 people still alive, it takes 11 votes to execute.
The current deadline is January 09th, 2018 at 8 p.m. EST -- that's in about 1 day, 5 hours.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


Bifauxnen posted:

what 4? You mean the survivors?

I'm waiting for overall scumreads from you. Selecting from everyone.

Easier to piecemeal it. This is one of those threads where I walk into 100+ posts everytime I open it up. Unless you want some Anidav style posts I'll work on finding scum one at a time

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


Retro Futurist posted:

Easier to piecemeal it. This is one of those threads where I walk into 100+ posts everytime I open it up. Unless you want some Anidav style posts I'll work on finding scum one at a time

Okay, but why only look within the survivors? Can you at least sum up your feelings from before the battle? Surely you've done some reading and thinking about who was scum before this battle happened to give you some blinkers to put on?

curiousCat
Sep 23, 2012

Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?
##vote mithross

I'll use my piddly heal on myself today, bif. If it's okay, wait a night before putting me back in.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


Bifauxnen posted:

Okay, but why only look within the survivors? Can you at least sum up your feelings from before the battle? Surely you've done some reading and thinking about who was scum before this battle happened to give you some blinkers to put on?

I've got SSV on my list as well and will be looking into that. I tend to get blinders on when I think I found someone, and Inf was so clearly scum at the time it held me up. Also due to my earlier gently caress up I've really only been in the game since last Wednesday and I had a busy weekend, so catching up has taken some time.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


And I'm looking strictly at the survivors because, if we can be reasonably sure that scum is among them that's a 1/4 chance of finding them, as opposed to Maybe 3?/17 if I look at the whole thread.

curiousCat
Sep 23, 2012

Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

Retro Futurist posted:

And I'm looking strictly at the survivors because, if we can be reasonably sure that scum is among them that's a 1/4 chance of finding them, as opposed to Maybe 3?/17 if I look at the whole thread.

Actually if we're assuming 5 scum the odds of finding them out of 19 (since bif is town) are actually better than 1/4! :science:

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
You are far more likely to get a lynch across the line with 4 options rather than say 16~.

Most of the survivors are claiming massive damage occurred which indicates scum more likely than not. If Bifauxnen is personally ruling Venom Soag out then that makes it 3 options. pera, space & cat.

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


Hey flerp now that you're feeling better, you were talking about some weird ability before that worked best on D1. But have you got something good besides that?

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


Atomic Soda posted:

i'm ready to fight ma let me know

You preferred back row, right? Can you give some vague description of what you would do back there?

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again

Prince of Space posted:

Considering Xad joined our front row later, I'm not surprised that they became a priority target for the enemy.

I find The Ninth Layer AND Tithin's deaths to be far more suspect.

So you're basically implying Gaspy without saying it?

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


:rip:

A moment of silence for the memory of iajanus ever being in the game, which died along with tithin.

SHALASHASKA HAWKE
Nov 10, 2016

No child soldier in poverty by 1990

Natural 20 posted:

As someone who absolutely loves setup spec and figuring out night actions.

I actually think beyond trying to make very basic assumptions about what happened at night, it's generally worthless to go back and pore through results with a fine tooth comb. There are so many abilities in this game and because we can't talk numbers we have no context for what lots of HP or attack might look like that you'd go insane before you could make anything meaningful out of night results.

This game will be won and lost on our ability to read people's posting. Incidentally, this is why I wasn't afraid to read people absent full claimed night results earlier today.

for daY3 this is just filler using effort words, would vote

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
And you

Natural 20 posted:

My read on Gaspy has been town all game, despite the poo poo he's thrown my way. But he seems super flustered today.

When I'm home from work I'll explain why I think that in more detail. (Or if I get some time at lunch)

Natural 20 posted:

Venom Soag

And with all that being said:


I absolutely loathe everything about this post and the case on Inf that stems from it. Not only is it just wrong in its assessment of Inf, it's just a horrible thing to have in a game to begin with.

Let me be clear, I do not give a poo poo about winning or losing relative the enjoyment I get from playing a game of mafia and being friends with the people here.

This and the related posts run counter to basically everything I believe about how mafia should be played. I wish being an rear end in a top hat was indicative of being scum, but unfortunately it's not.

That said, voting someone because they're "Bad at Mafia" when the opposite is true is so moronic that I can't just let that go.

##vote Venom Soag

Have been looking to case Soag as something but have never really gotten around to it.

You've poked the rear end in a top hat angle early on and gotten nothing and now you're poking the He is acting town but... angle and will probably get nothing.

Natural 20 posted:

Okay so I've actually been looking at Anidav this evening:





So a lot of what Anidav has been doing D1 is throwing out lowkey shade on people and kinda just watching to see if it sticks or not. The only vote that got put down as a result of this was an early vote on Xad that got rescinded later.

The single significant post that was made is just a microcosm of the tiny cases he's been putting up elsewhere without any significant justification behind them.

Additionally, he's willing to let lurkers get a pass because the rules will deal with them, except the rules for Shine are really lax, like you get warned D1, show up D2 and D3 and by then the lurker rules are done and you've dodged the dangerzone that is D1.

What this reads to me as is a scum player who's trying to see if there's traction on a lot of different people with a poke and a nudge here and there, but that's also trying to cover for scumbos who've been afk early on.

Whilst this doesn't fit my meta read of Anidav, who I view as an aggressive scum player usually, it should be noted that earlier in the thread Bif openly mentioned that aggressive Anidav was often a scumtell for him. So I feel like a conscious attempt at a meta shift may be at work.

It's enough to tentatively ##vote Anidav and come back to it later once I've seen whether people think I'm way off the mark or not.

Then you poked me, trying to ride the coat-tails of Tithin's meta read but once again got no where.

Natural 20 posted:

So B-minus has seemed a little off today, but it wasn't something I'd counted as a huge deal.

That said, I think it's genuinely really bad to just have not attended a masonry with the leader for a few days and to have been found to be withholding abilities for some reason. Especially with the only person we know for certain to be town.

##vote b-minus1

Finally you come around to voting for the flavour of the moment and haven't voted since. You claim that you weren't going to vote Infinitum because you

Natural 20 posted:

Inf

Inf is playing in the exact way I would expect Inf to play town, especially if he's got abilities he thinks he can use well. I'm noting this from the way he acted in DBZ Mafia and Megaman Mafia when he was town with a weird ability set. I don't think there's anything here that makes me think he's suspicious beyond just being himself. Further, a much fuller and more informative investigation can happen tomorrow since he's already claimed rolecop.

I feel like Inf is frequently a high variance player, he either hilariously ruins scum or completely misfires and blows up his own side and I feel like I'm okay with gambling.
Felt that Infinitum was playing to your expectations as how a Townie Infinitum would play. However you were banking on Infinitum getting lynched at some point for Townie cred and you haven't voted since because you're waiting for the next big case to ride on.

quote:

When I'm home from work I'll explain why I think that in more detail. (Or if I get some time at lunch)

I feel like only scum leave cliffhangers like this so they can silently reapproach when a new case comes forth.

SHALASHASKA HAWKE
Nov 10, 2016

No child soldier in poverty by 1990

curiousCat posted:

##vote mithross

I'll use my piddly heal on myself today, bif. If it's okay, wait a night before putting me back in.

I like this vote, is there anythifn you would like to add to your reasoning?

SHALASHASKA HAWKE
Nov 10, 2016

No child soldier in poverty by 1990
anidav you can join my club now

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


Soag:
-He's got 6 pages of posts and most of that is actual content.
-Nothing in particular jumps out at me but overall he's active, producing content, and urging others to do the same.

VERDICT: Town

Cat:
-Odd style but seems genuine
-Posting a lot of reads. They're a bit open ended and aren't followed up on but it's more than just pulling stuff out of their asses.
-Hammers Inf like a day early and then goes

curiousCat posted:

infini flipping town isn't terribly surprising to me if only because it was a total nullread due to it just being... useless chaos.


And I'm not sure why they didn't get more heat for that.

-
VERDICT: Town for now but I can envision a world in which they are scum.

PoS:
-Gets a lot of crap for his PR, but as PRs go it's pretty easy to read, and it's his first game so I can't really see a newbie, as scum, making themselves so visible and sticking with it even when people starting calling them out.
-Clear and open with reads from pretty early on
-Names a lot of names in regards to suspects, but is pretty consistent with them and they feel like real reads.

VERDICT: Town

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


pera:
-As mentioned, pretty quiet for pera. That's not super alignment indicative in itself, but what she does say is pretty content light.

- I find this post interesting

peramene posted:

you MOTHER FUCKER

##vo--

GOD drat IT

##vote TNL


sorry ma but to say more would veer dangerously close to quotin' mod communicados


even if it is that doesn't necessarily make it scummy; if you agree with a viewpoint as town that you think is pro-town you'd do damage control for it if it took heat; at least in theory

##unvote

agreed & also same but not just when I'm asleep
good morning jeabus

It's about 3 days into the game at this point, and pera has earlier made mention that she doesn't vote people unless she's committed to lynching them, and yet is willing to toss these around. I mean pretty clearly jokes, but there is a dissonance there.
Then a few days later she doubles down and votes TNL again

-TNL accuses her of lazily coasting on a vauge case on him, to which she replies

peramene posted:

You are being either intentionally misleading or you're simply wrong. See my post history.

##vote TNL


I'm doing that right now and it starts with a joke vote on him for capitalizing her name, and then sticks with it apparently because he's being condescending. There's definitely no real case there and it's a weird thing to double down on D2

-Overall, a lot of little snipey, low content posts and one big huge post full of snipey, low content comments.


VERDICT: Scum

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


SSV:
-Has slightly more posts than me despite being here from D1, but less content

-When first asked to start casing people, excuses himself and goes for a D1 lurker lynch

SirSamVimes posted:

I'm terrible at the early stages of large games but if I had to vote anyone it'd either be one of the lurkers or one of the people who have posting gimmicks that obfuscate any content they may be producing. So RF, CuriousCat, STONE COLD 64 or whoever that guy was typing with the exaggerated accent.

-This loving post

SirSamVimes posted:

I mean if I'm making this easier for scum, then you should be thankful.

##vote venom soag

Now as bad as this post is:
a) This when he mentions Soag right before

SirSamVimes posted:

I've cooled off on Venom Soag at this point

b) He DOES then mention

SirSamVimes posted:

There was definitely at least one scum player in the battle and scum in the front row wouldn't even be able to target the back row.

However this is some pretty weak speculation (surely the scum will have something that lets them hit backwards), and it just feels like someone trying to hop on too simple a case.

VERDICT: Scum but could just be poo poo town like Inf. I feel like that's a common role with SSV

curiousCat
Sep 23, 2012

Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

SLASHER HAWKE posted:

I like this vote, is there anythifn you would like to add to your reasoning?

beyond my repeated "I'm pretty sure it's just town shouting at town" not really.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


##vote pera

flerp
Feb 25, 2014

Bifauxnen posted:

Hey flerp now that you're feeling better, you were talking about some weird ability before that worked best on D1. But have you got something good besides that?

yeah ive got a good ability that i want to use but i need to be in battle

SHALASHASKA HAWKE
Nov 10, 2016

No child soldier in poverty by 1990
I like RF’s work but I would vote SSJ over pera

curiousCat
Sep 23, 2012

Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?
I really want to say something about an ability I know exists that would shut up a lot of the theorizing but I don't know if you want me to do that sort of thing, bif.

SHALASHASKA HAWKE
Nov 10, 2016

No child soldier in poverty by 1990
##vote mithross

would also consider

SSV
Nat20
POS/Cat
iaj/dunk nerds/whimever

curiousCat
Sep 23, 2012

Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?
I'd put dunk nerds above pos

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


curiousCat posted:

I really want to say something about an ability I know exists that would shut up a lot of the theorizing but I don't know if you want me to do that sort of thing, bif.

Is it related to having high strength

curiousCat
Sep 23, 2012

Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

Bifauxnen posted:

Is it related to having high strength

Yes.

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curiousCat
Sep 23, 2012

Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?
That's why I asked pera how strong she was.

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