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Ginette Reno
Nov 18, 2006

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It will be pretty incredible if Pittsburgh, Chicago, and Edmonton all miss the playoffs.

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If the finals end up being Jets/Leafs the owners will lock out next year in protest.

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Bergevin is going to do this except instead of a Sheep it will be Pacioretty getting bled over the net.

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corn on the cop posted:

so what's the only trade worse than taylor hall for adam larsson

https://twitter.com/NicholsOnHockey/status/948928252839567362

How does Peter Chiarelli have a job

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ThinkTank posted:

Jeff Gorton built him a Stanley Cup winner.

Imagine being a fan of a team with a GM who traded Tyler Seguin and Taylor Hall for a pile of poo poo.

That'd be like if I dunno Mike Gillis had traded both Sedins and Ryan Kesler for poo poo and somehow managed to get a GM job after that because of one Cup win where his team was carried by an all-time goalie performance.

e: Actually it looks like the Thornton deal wasn't done under Chiarelli's watch so he at least gets a pass for that one

Ginette Reno fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Jan 4, 2018

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So how do the lottery odds work again?

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bout to go play with this for an hour like Benning

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I'm going to the Isles game tomorrow. I don't think it's gonna pretty!

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yellowcar posted:

so that basically means Habs lost Condon on waivers for no good reason

At least Lindgren is good

fire bergevin

Losing Condon for nothing is a proud GM tradition

Ginette Reno
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yellowcar posted:

didn't the pens trade him for a pick?

I think they might've actually, but that was after holding onto him and not playing him at all like dicks

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Simon-Crosby-Sprong owns and I hope Sully sticks with it for a few games.

I went to the game tonight. Was p good. The last two Pens games I've gone to have been 4-0 Pens and 6-0 Pens (game 5 last year). I should go to more games methinks.

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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:

I'm going to Nashville to see the Oilers play (and eat BBQ). Lets hope they don't completely suck in person for my one game this year!!!

Nice. Nashville is a great place to see a game. There's plenty of night life right around the arena too if you're into that.

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ElwoodCuse posted:

when a girl walks in with an itty bitty waist and a round thing in your face you get

SPRONG

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I like how the Rangers somehow managed to lose 4 times over that span of goaltending

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Pens good. Still please don't trade that first JR.

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Hand Knit posted:

If you buy that they're just riding hot and their true talent is a below average team then it's strategically right to sell. On the other hand they're a new team leading the conference so it's probably actually immoral to sell. Maybe they have room to move one of the 10 NHL(ish) defencemen they drafted thinking they could trade them in the offseason.

However, they really, really should not buy.

Yeah I'd probably just stand pat if I were them and ride the wave. Don't sell because that's unfair to the fans and the team but don't buy either.

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Schremp Howard posted:

In my simmed franchise they missed the playoffs, but my Seattle Frasiers made it as the final wildcard. I forget how I moved divisions but I think I put Detroit back in the Central, Nashville to the Atlantic, and probably Vegas to the central or something stupid to put Seattle in the pacific. My best player was Vaatenen or Jonas Brodie. A Motley crew for sure.

Honestly the computer seems to value youth much more highly than it used to. If you do a full fantasy draft the young guys go almost immediately over established veterans. That's refreshing. That said, on of my (many) complaints about NHL over the last few years is a lack of disparity between talented players. The ratings just don't get low enough for some teams to make a huge overall drop. Arizona and Buffalo are just a few points overall worse than Tampa.

NHL 18 might have the worst AI yet though. Like holy poo poo does it cheat. Had to really mess with the sliders to make it playable, and it's still not very good.

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Koopa Kid posted:

I yell about Ron Hainsey less than I ever did about Matt Hunwick, fwiw.

Heart Attack Hainsey was such an adventure in the playoffs. But then so was the whole Pens defense tbh.

Hunwick is just....there. I don't feel like he does anything especially awful but he doesn't add much either. He's the epitome of a nothing player out there.

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Apparently Colin Campbell is going to try again in March to persuade GMs to accept a change to the off sides rules wherein if you have your skate in the air but are not across the blueline you'll be considered on sides.

That would be a good change imo. It's such a technical and stupid rule. Just make it all or nothing. You're either over or you aren't. gently caress feet in the air nonsense.

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ThinkTank posted:

Agreed, as it's way harder to figure out if something is over a line in 3D space rather than the cut and dry (albeit arbitrary) rule of the foot needing to be on the ice. Then again people are annoyed at the rule now and haven't seen the changes play out yet, so it's harder to make sense of that. Most people all for expanding video review until they actually had to watch games with it in effect.

That's why the rule change is good though. You'd have less goals being overturned because a guy was offsides by an eighth of an inch. Any time there's uncertainty with whether the foot was over the 3d space or not they'd just go welp good goal I guess. They'd only wave off the super obvious ones, which is how I'd prefer it to be.

They should also have a time limit on how long ago the offsides can have happened before a goal can be challenged for it as well but I know that will never happen. Having goals disallowed because some rear end in a top hat was offsides 45 seconds ago is kinda silly though.

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Wasn't Panik really good last year?

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11 million is fine for Matthews anyways. If you consider him a superstar player, that means he'd for example be making like 2 million more than Malkin who signed his contract years and years ago. And even if you somehow managed to sign him to a more friendly deal, so what? Let's say he's at 9 million. Big fuckin' whoop. That 2 million is gonna get you a third pairing dman like Hunwick or some fourth liner.

You pay your top guys and figure out how to fit everyone else in later. You don't trade them for picks.

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Wippersnapper posted:

Maxim Lapierre - Canadian Olympian? Sign me up!

And by sign me up I mean I shant be watching.

Can't be much worse than Rob Zamuner

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ThinkTank posted:

On that note, why on earth doesn't the NHL allow repeat shooters in the shootout? I don't mean after three or five, I mean why can't one guy take all the shots for his team? How much would the fans love a shootout that was McDavid versus Matthews? Just those two guys over and over until one wins. It's a great way to highlight stars and adds a level of much needed drama to a pretty stale instituion. I want TJ Oshie to be a game winning secret weapon that other teams are intimidated to go up against.

Right now I just don't give the slightest poo poo when some random 2nd liner is sent out there to fire a shot into the goalie's pads. Give me Crosby going backhand five times in a row instead.

It'd just be Crosby going fivehole five times in a row.

Ginette Reno
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That Maroon goal featured a sick effort by Mcdavid. Wow.

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Sharks Eat Bear posted:

N: pens win
V: goalie controversy ahoy! jarry making a good case for getting starts until he stumbles

He did just stumble against the B's though? Pretty happy with his play overall, however.

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Everything is starting look pretty good again for the Pens. Pretty pretty pretty good.

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Kuule hain nussivan posted:

There is a clear leap though. Both of Gio's skates leave the ice, knees bent.


His feet left the ground during contact, not before.

It was definitely a dirty hit and a head shot but I don't see any feet leaving the ground or intentional knee on knee contact there.

Ginette Reno
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drat Murray is pretty young to be having his dad die. That really sucks.

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Martytoof posted:

To spend more time with Youppi, I hope.

e: I hate that guy but goddamn you can't deny he's Bruins through and through. If Habs had a dude like that I would love him too.

How can you hate an anthem singer?

I guess I get it though I hated the Peeeeeeeeeeeeeco powerrrrrrrrrrrrr play guy for years when Philly kept dunking on the Pens every game.

e: All that Leafs fan concern about the Leafs made me check the standings thinking someone was close to taking their spot but Detroit is the closest and are 11 points behind them :lol:. The Atlantic is kind of a tire fire eh?

Ginette Reno fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Jan 18, 2018

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I just can't hate Rene Rancourt after watching this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqXuH90wlXs

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Mage_Boy posted:

If you told me two years ago that the unknown ECHL goalie the WBS Pens had just signed to a PTO would beat the LA Kings I would laugh in your face. Congrats to DeSmith on winning in your first NHL start. (I guess Peters will be the next Goalie magic for the Pens?)

They signed him out of college I believe, not the ECHL, but your point stands.

He's been pretty good in the minors so not surprising. Pens have sick nasty goalie depth between Murray, Jarry, Desmith and Gustavsson. All the more puzzling why JR decided to add Niemi of all people this off season.

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a false posted:

i like the idea of lias and chytil playing together in hartford

what i do not like is that alain vigneault remains not fired. just loving do it already

Think the Rangers missed the boat on that one. He's not gonna get fired as long as they're in a playoff spot and even if they fall out he's got the injury excuse. Maybe after the season it could happen.

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Surprised nobody mentioned Malkin doing this thing. Brown later tried to make up for it by doing this thing:




Brown got a 5 and a game, Malkin got nothing. Malkin probably won't even get a fine for that because the NHL is dumb and lets nut shots go unless you're such a huge rear end in a top hat that you do it like twenty times like Marchand.

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Pornographic Memory posted:

counterpoint: does anybody here legitimately give a crap about dustin brown getting jabbed in the nuts

e: nm

I forgot the fuckin Ducks have JT Brown now. I can't keep anything straight today.

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That offer is trash but you do have to remember we're dealing with Ottawa here. If they do move Karlsson it probably will be almost purely for futures since Eugene would love to cut salary.

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Coff owns. Maybe he can coach the Oilers PP to not suck.

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ElwoodCuse posted:

OK MAF was not "considered expendable". The Penguins would have happily kept him and Murray on the team if there was no expansion. But they couldn't exactly expose a 2-time Cup winner who is 23 years old.

Vegas can win all the regular season games they want, let's see how they fare in the playoffs and beyond. You want expansion success stories, how about the Marlins winning a title their 5th season or the Diamondbacks in their 4th. Even the worst expansion team ever, the Mets, won in their 8th.

Keeping Murray was the right choice even if he turns into Cam Ward 2.0. You make the moves with the information you have at the time and the info at the time suggest MM > Maf not just in ability but youth, cap hit, etc.

But yeah all things being equal the Pens would have rather kept Maf and MM as a tandem especially given Murray's injury history.

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I figured Zats would have hosed off to Europe by now

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Furnaceface posted:

Considering how well that describes the Pens last year, enjoy your Cup?

In the playoffs maybe. The Pens were still really good in the regular season.

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