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Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

your loving fake rear end leftism is loving tiring

I pay a barber $20 for a haircut
I pay two maids $150 to clean my house

each of these are things I could do myself, but the people I pay do a better job than I would, and are quicker at it to boot

but you’d never say that paying a barber is bourgeois because you have some hosed up notion that domestic labor can’t be outsourced unlike every other loving type of labor because of some bullshit hangup whose only explanation can be that the kind of work was historically wife’s work

like gently caress if anything paying my maids is more leftist than paying the guy who cuts my hair because at least I know they’re making their own loving money unlike the barber who’s being exploited by the owner taking profit and the landlord taking rent and we all knowingly participate in those transactions every day with nary a word said, not like there’s such a thing as ethical consumption under capitalism in the first place

lmao

i guessed at who posted this, and then I went and checked and my first guess was right on

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Oct 27, 2010

Unfortunately, “other peoples’ money” has a way of ultimately coming out of our own pockets. If it costs more to build buildings, then rents will rise. People will be forced to live in smaller spaces, perhaps farther away. Some of them, in fact, may be forced to commute by automobile, and then die in a car accident. We don’t see those costs in the same way as we see a fire’s victims; we will never know the name of the guy who was killed in a car accident because he had to live far from work because rents rose because regulators required sprinkler systems.

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Oct 27, 2010

whomupclicklike posted:

How is this not illegal

idk about the British containment Zone, but in the US there's no legal right to recess

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Oct 27, 2010

Grem posted:

That's not real...is it? What the gently caress?

Of course it is.

It's poverty tourism under the guise of learning how to understand the poor people better, often ending with a sales pitch for someone's for-profit market-based solution to poverty.

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Oct 27, 2010

wizard on a water slide posted:

I'm more wondering about almost $3000/mo on sports and lessons for their kids

Is the sport in question fox hunting, or is that figure just how the parents justify an exclusive country club membership

Children’s Lessons ($12,000): It’s a competitive world out there and these parents want the best for their kids. The kids are taking violin lessons, Mandarin lessons, and tennis lessons throughout the year. At an average cost of $1,000 a month, they believe this money is well spent. How else are they going to be able to get into private grade school that costs up to $50,000 a year? They’re feeling the pressure at work, so their kids might as will feel the pressure in school.

really, this articles got it all
https://www.financialsamurai.com/scraping-by-on-500000-a-year-high-income-earners-struggling/

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Oct 27, 2010

Wheeee posted:

It's not really their fault, people tend to believe that they're relatively normal, if a little better than average. This hosed up conception of the middle class is pervasive in our society, daughters of doctors and grocery clerks both grow up having the idea that they are part of this nebulous "middle class" thoroughly ingrained in them.

Laughing at/deriding/attacking individual rich people is useless because most of them aren't special at all, just random assholes who are who they are due to material factors.

Attack the culture and systems it supports, then guillotine the rich after for catharsis.

the thing is that people don't really interact with people outside of their own class. economic segregation means that people are unlikely to interact with someone significantly poorer than themselves, especially at young ages when they haven't really internalized the shittiness of adults yet. and even if that's overcome, the massive social stigma placed on poverty means that poorer people will sometimes actively attempt to hide their poverty from better-off acquaintances

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Oct 27, 2010
ez guide to enjoying Florida:

setp 1) find an alligator, they're fuckin everywhere

step 2) carefully approach it. you could end up maimed if not careful. maybe lure it with food, like a live baby

3) pry apart its jaws. although a gator can slam its jaws shut with terrifying force, it can't hold them shut that well

quatro) insert your head in the open mouth, release the jaws, and await your exit from this simulation

namaste

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Oct 27, 2010

tower time posted:

Makes me think of the Nashar Sculpture Center situation in Dallas. Basics are that the Museum was built as part of a revitalization project/the land was a bit more affordable. After it was built the area became nicer, development came with luxury condos nearby - including a really tall one right across from the museum that reflects sunlight so strongly it makes the greenspace around the art center to hot to enjoy and actually could damage/destroy the art. The developer (which fittingly is owned by a pension fund for police and firefighter unions) decided it has no responsibility to change the building to not actively destroy the museum that made the location desirable to begin with. article about the mess:

https://www.archdaily.com/773066/search-ends-for-solution-to-museum-towers-glare-problems-at-nasher-sculpture-center

Why the gently caress does a pension fund own a luxury condo

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Oct 27, 2010

A Spherical Sponge posted:

Maybe both can be true? Material deprivation fucks with your head because of the stresses of having to think about where your next meal is coming from, the physiological costs of constant stress and probably sleep deprivation and mild malnutrition, all of your mental energy being directed towards menial tasks with no purpose or reward, the psychological costs of being low in a rigid social hierarchy, and so on. But excessive material wealth fucks you up because it infantilizes you because you never have to worry about the work of maintaining and managing your own life and space (because you have maids and cooks and accountants and so on to take care of all of that) , you don't develop empathy for other people correctly because you can't relate to their concerns, and your position in society inclines you towards rationalizing your wealth and privileged position as deserved predisposing you to narcissism and egotism. The more deprived you are or the more excessive your wealth the worse all of these things become. There's a reason that greater levels of inequality within a society are associated with worse mental health outcomes and lower general levels of happiness among all wealth demographics.

I wouldn't say the problem is that wealth infantilizes people, it's more that it gives them options to the point where they genuinely can't understand that some people are out of options. They can't grasp the sheer anxiety of people who genuinely don't have choices.

For example, there've been plenty of rich people who temporarily banned themselves from spending money and using all their stuff for a while, to go roleplay a poor person and prove that a self-motivated hard worker can make it on their own. They move out of their house, they quit their job, and they go out into the world with nothing more than a cover story and an emergency credit card. They get a low-wage job, work their way up to having a small apartment and cheap car, and they feel like they really understand poverty. Then a relative gets sick or something, and they immediately end the experiment, quit the job, pull out their emergency credit card, and buy a plane ticket to go see their dying relative. A couple weeks later, the whole tale shows up in a magazine or something.

Of course, there's a huge difference between that and real poverty, and the fact that they don't even realize that is what really underlines the disconnect between rich and poor: real poor people don't have the ability to just declare an end to their poverty when an emergency strikes. They don't have that credit card to fall back on in a necessity. They can't just abandon their job on a whim. And, of course, they have the anxiety and worry that goes with that - which is something that you can't simulate with twenty thousand dollars in your back pocket, even if you've said you're not going to use it unless you really need it.

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Oct 27, 2010
Speak of the devil. Apparently, a libertarian journalist wrote a self-help article in which she claimed that it was easy for poor people to save if they really wanted to. Someone wrote an article calling her out on that, and it made her mad enough that she went off on a Twitter rant claiming that she knows how hard it is to be poor...because after she finished her Ivy League education, she spent a few months doing low-wage clerical work with no health insurance and living in her well-off parents' spare room, and then moved out to a New York apartment after she got a better job.

It's okay, though, because she never thought of asking her parents for money, even though she knew that she would never really be screwed because her parents would take her back in if she ever got into real trouble.

https://mobile.twitter.com/asymmetricinfo/status/960549811693944833

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Oct 27, 2010

GalacticAcid posted:

i don't actually know who notch is lol

i feel like im going to lose my license to post with that admission

minecraft creator who sold the game to microsoft for a ton of money, bought a mansion, and lined an entire wall with giant candy dispensers that never actually see any use because all that money still couldn't buy him a social life

all that wealth has allowed him to retire to pursue his true calling: posting misogynistic garbage on twitter

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Oct 27, 2010

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

*checks the nearby TPUSA event page*



His father:

the only jobs this guy has ever had:
- CEO of a company his daddy owned
- president of the company his daddy founded for the sole purpose of managing the family assets

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010
reading up on that guy led me to learn about "family offices", though


quote:

1. What do family offices do?

They are companies that serve a single family with so much wealth that its members require their own accountants, family planners, lawyers and other specialists to manage it all. Families usually need at least $500 million to set up a full-service office with an investment staff. Many employ dozens or even hundreds of professionals to pick investments, file taxes, pay the bills, oversee philanthropic missions and manage assets like yachts and vacation homes.

quote:

After a lifetime of accumulating wealth, high-net-worth families are confronted with several obstacles when trying to maximize their legacy including confiscatory estate taxes, complex estate laws, and complicated family or business issues. A comprehensive wealth transfer plan must take into account all facets of the family’s wealth including the transfer or management of business interests, the disposition of the estate, management of family trusts, philanthropic desires and continuity of family governance. Family education is an important aspect of a family office; this includes educating family members on financial matters and instilling the family values to minimize intergenerational conflicts. Family offices work collaboratively with a team of advisors from each of the necessary disciplines to ensure the family’s wealth transfer plan is well-coordinated and optimized for its legacy desires.

Lifestyle Management

Many family offices act as a personal concierge for families, handling their personal affairs and catering to their lifestyle needs. This could include conducting background checks on personal and business staff; providing personal security for home and travel; aircraft and yacht management; travel planning and fulfillment; and streamlining business affairs.

these people are so rich that they found entire companies based around managing their yachts and educating their heirs

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Coolness Averted posted:

maybe maaaybe the ceo (just because her fake money disappeared and she'll be unhirable so can never get a high score again) will face material consequences.

so naive

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Oct 27, 2010
incompetent or outright criminal executives continue to get jobs despite the long record of failure on their resume

their actual performance doesn't matter to companies, it's immaterial compared to the fact that they're of the right class, know the right social signals, and attend the right country clubs

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Oct 27, 2010
normal person brain: it is bad that our immigration system is geared toward the exploitation of both legal and illegal immigrants by big corporations for the economic benefit of millionaires
galaxy brain: instead, we should gear the immigration system toward the exploitation of immigrants by individual Americans for the economic benefit of white people native American workers

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Oct 27, 2010

that kinda thing seems to be a current trend among executive types. ceo at my company sends out a little blog email every week talking about what he did that week too, though it's been a few months since the last time he sent out luxury European vacation photos.

i think the general idea is to humanize the big boss and convince us all that he's actually working and interacting with others just like the rest of us, so we can feel more of a personal connection and not think of the executives as emotionless paper-pushers who sit at their desks thinking about how to gently caress everyone over. that way it might blunt some of the anger when he fucks everyone over

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Oct 27, 2010

Shear Modulus posted:

yeah its like several thousand dollars

also, the speakers don't see a dime of that. the speakers are all unpaid

where does all that money go? :shrug:

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Oct 27, 2010

Teal posted:

I feel like they thought that with the first two in everyone would think they're some hippie hacks that won't ever produce a self respecting businessman so they threw in Profit to make it clear they still do mean good ol' capitalist hardball. They could have gone with Productivity, but I guess that would just legit scare some.

people aren't getting MBAs to save the world

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

this article is out of date, as it was written in 2010 and hasn't been updated to reflect the fact that his trial was (and still is) delayed indefinitely

in 2010, this 47-year-old cardiologist somehow managed to convince the court-appointed doctor that he was mentally incompetent and had a terminal illness that left him with only six months to live

he was released from the hospital in 2012 and is out on bail, but continues to receive extensions from the judge for reasons that are mostly under seal or otherwise not available in the public court record

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Oct 27, 2010
america.txt

http://gawker.com/5932846/american-...d-confrontation

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Oct 27, 2010

Wheeee posted:

in all fairness, at least up here, not everyone who becomes a cop is a bad person. most in fact probably arent! poor bastards grew up devouring the propaganda which tells us all that police are selfless heroes working for the public’s safety

it’s the training and immersion in the cop culture that turns most of them bad

when the day comes that cop blood stains your hands, your heart should be filled only with pity for the creature

all cops are bad people

what they were like before joining the force isn't important, save that they thought being a cop was a great thing to do with their life

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Oct 27, 2010

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

In her book A Distant Mirror: The Calamitous Fourteenth Century, Barbara Tuchman writes about a peasant revolt in 1358 that began in the village of St. Leu and spread throughout the Oise Valley. At one estate, the serfs sacked the manor house, killed the knight, and roasted him on a spit in front of his wife and kids. Then, after ten or twelve peasants violated the lady, with the children still watching, they forced her to eat the roasted flesh of her dead husband and then killed her.

keep in mind that the historical accounts that survived to the modern day were written by people mostly associated with and sympathetic to the nobles, and needed to portray the peasants as brutal inhuman savages, both to show a moral necessity for feudalism and in order to justify the bloody, murderous reprisals the nobles committed against pretty much the entire region

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Oct 27, 2010

Teal posted:

I actually went with the Jewish one in particular because it's the one most commonly denied in the west...

uh, I think the Armenian genocide (which many Western countries still refuse to officially recognize as a thing that happened) is more commonly denied than the Holocaust, which is flat-out illegal to deny in some Western countries

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010
love to buy uncertified, unregulated electronics that are tagged "USE AT YOUR OWN RISK" from a store literally called "Dangerous Things" and then literally implant them into my own body

performing minor self-surgery to own the libs

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Oct 27, 2010

Truga posted:

If you think technology isn't cool you're a big dumb because only through technology are we going to achieve


i'm too lazy to post a pic of those robot security guards that harass homeless people, so pretend I did that

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Oct 27, 2010

Retromancer posted:

GUYS ITS HAPPENING

THE SOCIALIST PARTYof South Africa IS SEIZING THE LAND OF THE RICH WHITE PEOPLE!

https://www.theroot.com/for-the-descendents-of-south-africas-colonizers-the-tim-1823440236

yeah

the white nationalists are already calling for the US to accept them as refugees

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010
check out this wonderful heartwarming inspiring story of human kindness and love

after a homeless man froze to death in an alley, concerned community members built comfortable shelters for the feral cats that lived in that alley

https://mobile.twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/969596462245072898

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Oct 27, 2010

https://mobile.twitter.com/ZaidaGrunes/status/969974654344552453

:unsmigghh:

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Oct 27, 2010

Tunicate posted:

I think that first question might not be legally kosher for a job interview?

Correct - she said that in her second tweet, which she also apparently deleted, as well as asking if any HR professionals were willing to give them advice.

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Oct 27, 2010

Kit Walker posted:

What's the rationale behind that? Like, does it open them to a discrimination lawsuit or what?

yeah

discriminating based on marital status or potential pregnancy is illegal, and "tell me about your family" is a really good way to look like you're fishing for info about that

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Oct 27, 2010

GalacticAcid posted:

imagine watching people rally to new forms of political action in the trump era from the jfk protests through the wv teachers strike and still thinking that accelerationism doesn't work

ding ding ding

people don't try to change the system unless they're totally convinced the system doesn't work

they don't always change it in a good direction, but that's the way of things. both fascism and communism rise as reactions to the decay of capitalism

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Oct 27, 2010

in other, similar articles, it gets a little more specific: men like the power, especially over often-female waitresses

tipping is also a convenient vehicle for discrimination, since research has shown that whites get tipped higher than non-whites, and men get tipped higher than women

fun fact: employers get a tax credit for tips received by employees

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Oct 27, 2010
remember when the Equifax breach happened and basically every SSN in America was stolen and a bunch of Equifax execs had quietly sold as much of their stock as possible during the period between when it was discovered and when it was announced?

shockingly, that may not have been on the up and up after all!

https://mobile.twitter.com/ampressman/status/973939476123746306

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Oct 27, 2010

Jeb! Repetition posted:

This thread was better when it was examples of rich people being contemptible instead of weird revenge fantasies

agreed

edgier-than-thou wankfests like these are boring

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Oct 27, 2010

WampaLord posted:

*wanders into a thread titled "The Guillotine.txt Thread" and is shocked to find weird revenge fantasies*

Do you think the French weren't having fun when they rolled these things out in the first place? I bet that poo poo was more packed than an NFL game.

this is basically how late-stage LF was

people stopped posting content and just started competing to post the edgiest poo poo they could think of, at least until the secret service came knocking on Lowtax's door

this thread is for posting examples of how lovely and awful rich people are and how much they deserve to die, not arguing back and forth about how much torture is involved in your revenge fantasies

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Oct 27, 2010

Truga posted:

I mean, all I'm reading here is "use the resources we have (money) to drive those dirty <less privilegeds> out of our trendy neighbourhood", which reductio ad absurdum is "lebensraum for our people". Not as bad as straight up genocide, but still extremely lovely imo.

a lot of the time it was land they gave up in the first place. it's a cyclical thing

1) non-whites start moving into a prosperous 95+% white neighborhood with friendly neighborhood cops

2) white flight. all the white people immediately sell their homes and move to the suburbs to get their racially homogenous wonderland back, while telling everyone who'll listen that their old neighborhood is a blighted hellscape full of the "wrong sorts of people"

3) housing costs and local tax income go way down because so many people are leaving. the local government stops investing in the neighborhood, the police presence turns into a bunch of brutal fascists, the infrastructure falls into ruin, social services get defunded, local businesses shut down, etc

4) once the churn and turmoil from that rapid decline settles down a bit, the low housing costs and abundance of cheap commercial spaces tends to attract young, unattached, creative-thinking types. university students and young professionals, artists and hobbyists, and niche business ideas. the neighborhood's reputation begins to improve, the local government starts to show interest again, infrastructure and services start getting repaired, and after a few years the neighborhood is considered to have developed its own unique character and is often regarded as trendy, artsy, or up-and-coming

5) gentrification. around now, all the older people who fled the city before are starting to get tired of the suburbs, don't need the big house anymore now that their kids have graduated, are tired of the long commutes, and so on. at the same time, young people just starting high-paying careers are moving to the city and want a neighborhood with a little more flavor than the wealthy white enclaves where all their new bosses live. so naturally they all descend on this neighborhood - it's trendy, artsy, has the smell of recent urban renewal, and to top it all off, it's cheap!

6) the influx of wealthy white people suddenly desperate to live there sends rents skyrocketing. most of the existing residents, being poor, are unable to keep up with the rising rents and are forced out by the high prices. the rising rents and rapid demographic changes cause some of the small businesses and arts stuff to close down, and they're promptly replaced by the same old luxury high-priced bullshit that every other wealthy neighborhood has. this makes things even more expensive for the existing residents and forces even more out, etc.

7) the neighborhood has transformed into another generic ultra-white upper-middle-class enclave, served only by the same old luxury brands and chains. the only remaining sign that anyone but bankers and doctors and retirees ever lived there are a couple of murals. after a few years, the young rich start popping out kids and begin complaining that the neighborhood is boring and has lost its unique flavor. once prices stabilize, a well-off black person moves in. return to step 1

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Oct 27, 2010

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

gentrification is a somewhat complicated subject and the blame for driving out the locals is ill-targeted on the slightly richer person moving in. the blame lies on the slumlords and politicians who had no intention of cultivating a neighborhood to begin with. they sellout as soon as the offer is large enough, then you have good old capitalism appealing to the lowest common denominator, and the neighborhood becomes McMansions. new people move in because their only other option is to not move to the city at all.


tl;dr gentrification is easy to avoid, and is arguable one of the specific tasks a city council
should address, but the gormless officials are typically not interested in making things better for everyone, preferring instead to make things better for themselves.

understand what the rentier class is, and support policies that undermine them, first and foremost. ignorant people with sophomoric ideas of what gentrification actually is aren’t the appropriate target.

city councils don't give a gently caress about poor people, tho

government by the rich, for the rich

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Oct 27, 2010

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

yeah that's his point you should be blaming the inaction of the local government and the slumlords that take advantage of this

it looks to me like he's saying we should blame the slumlords for selling their properties to rich people instead of poor people. that's why he called them sellouts

i'm not really sure what policy you'd put in place to prevent that, short of communism and rent controls

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Oct 27, 2010
yeah, it's not the tax revenue the city is going for there, it's the hefty bribes the developer is paying out

doesn't matter, though, because the bigger point is that the city loving hates the poor people and wishes they were gone. they loving love attracting wealthy white people and chasing out the minorities. that's why the city actively helps to do things like chase out the homeless people. the city wants to attract wealthy whites because they think a rich white neighborhood is superior and a poor black neighborhood is trash. institutional racism, etc. that kinda mindset is deep in local governments, and the mayor is ultimately the ally of ambitious real estate developers first and the white professional class second, while they regard the poor people who are getting gentrified out as a mere nuisance

like, the ultimate problem is the same as anywhere else: American institutions believe that poor non-whites are essentially non-human, and vastly prefer and privilege the wealthy whites who dominate every single power structure anyway

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