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Mao Zedong Thot posted:knowing what you want/can get and asking for it > not saying anything > not knowing what you want/can get and saying something
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Thanks guys. I really want the job at the FAANG over this place but want to keep them around as a backup if I fail the onsite. That's why I'm so hesitant to give a number right now. I'll just try to slow down the process I guess. Hopefully that's not too much of a dick move. E: this is such a first world problem. Thanks again to all the people posting in this thread and the POS in general. Acer Pilot fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Apr 24, 2019 |
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Apr 24, 2019 00:47
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gently caress. Second on-site with a place that didn't lead to an offer. Two more on-sites this week but was hoping to play offers against each other now just hoping to see an offer.
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Apr 24, 2019 01:19
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Mao Zedong Thot posted:knowing what you want/can get and asking for it > not saying anything > not knowing what you want/can get and saying something I'd personally disagree. I'd always try to get them to state a number first because, hey, their budget and expectations could be beyond yours. Ask for more than what you want if you're gonna ask because until you know the budget you're at an informational disadvantage. I'd say if you're gonna ask for a number shoot for the highest number you can say with a straight face and uncracked voice. If they really want you they'll still make their offer. If they were otherwise hiring you on the basis that you were cheaper than the next guy, what do you think your coworkers/work environment will be like? And seriously, if you don't know, you don't know. Don't feel like you've got to say a number just because they put you on the spot.
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Apr 24, 2019 03:16
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still have ~year of college and no discernable skill or talent. how do i land a job? i dont have any friends in computers
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Apr 24, 2019 03:17
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Scott Baio Nudes posted:still have ~year of college and no discernable skill or talent. how do i land a job? i dont have any friends in computers your college should be hosting career fairs. if they don't you can probably find some in your area to go to
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Apr 24, 2019 03:25
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Scott Baio Nudes posted:still have ~year of college and no discernable skill or talent. how do i land a job? i dont have any friends in computers You have a year to write a resume and start applying for jobs. So uh... get on it. Start the applying 4 or more months before you graduate. Better yet, start going to field-relevant meetups, groups, and social events and you'll form the connections you need organically. That will get you waaaay better prospects than playing resume roulette.
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Apr 24, 2019 03:27
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Yeah meetups for whatever field you want to get into is also A+
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Apr 24, 2019 03:33
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cool thanks. im a remote student so ill look for local fairs and clubs. after a couples weeks of applying ive only heard back from scammers. started applying to internships even though i have a full time already rip
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Apr 24, 2019 03:36
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Acer Pilot posted:Now an HR person there wants to call me to talk about the offer. I highly suspect they're going to ask for a number again. What are some good deflections?
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Apr 24, 2019 07:27
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ShadowHawk posted:"I'm not sure exactly, but I'll be comparing it with the other offers." ooh, this is good
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Apr 24, 2019 13:56
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Acer Pilot posted:Thanks guys. I really want the job at the FAANG over this place but want to keep them around as a backup if I fail the onsite. That's why I'm so hesitant to give a number right now. I'll just try to slow down the process I guess. Hopefully that's not too much of a dick move. this is one of the rare times being 100% honest is actually going to work "what salary would you accept for this job" "i'm hesitant to say a number until I hear back from <FAANG>" at this point listen closely to see if you can hear which expletive(s) the HR person uses under their breath
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Apr 24, 2019 17:19
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Ok so I think I'm meeting with the final boss of LA company tomorrow morning (he's in the EU.) Assuming this goes well, if it's more than a formality, I will finally have to discuss the number they offered me. How exactly do I word a counter? "I think this is an excellent offer, but it does not align with my current expectations for this position and responsibilities which is x+y%" Is something like that ok?
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Apr 24, 2019 17:28
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KidDynamite posted:Ok so I think I'm meeting with the final boss of LA company tomorrow morning (he's in the EU.) Assuming this goes well, if it's more than a formality, I will finally have to discuss the number they offered me. How exactly do I word a counter? I know I've mentioned this 1000 times before but if they're in california they have to provide you with a salary range if you ask
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Apr 24, 2019 18:19
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KidDynamite posted:Ok so I think I'm meeting with the final boss of LA company tomorrow morning (he's in the EU.) Assuming this goes well, if it's more than a formality, I will finally have to discuss the number they offered me. How exactly do I word a counter? Stick to his right flank when the eyes turn red also remember you don't have to hold your most powerful healing items in reserve. Watch out for the change in attack timings in phase two.
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Apr 24, 2019 19:42
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so you may remember (probably not) that after bitching endlessly that I couldn't find a job, I found a job in feb the problem is, there's no work for me to do there. my team's tied up in politics that is a combination of low priorities and contractual commitments. the company put several hundred overseas developers on retainer and only they have been allowed to touch the code that I was told I would be working on. most of the people on-site are committed to a different product from the greenfield that I was put on I sized up this situation for the most part in the interview process but the hiring manager assured me that it would be different. He resigned abruptly soon after I started btw. people seem to work only 2/3 of a shift and the new manager spends all of his time recruiting more people (who I get to interview, even though there's no development going on and no particular plan of what to develop) not sure what purpose staying there serves tbh, except perhaps to drive my career further into the toilet Gazpacho fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Apr 25, 2019 |
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Apr 25, 2019 04:05
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That sucks  No harm in beginning the interviewing process again, this time with a job at least. Whats their work from home policy? Find something new and just never put this one on the resume.
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Apr 25, 2019 04:13
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Gazpacho posted:so you may remember (probably not) that after bitching endlessly that I couldn't find a job, I found a job in feb poo poo happens, you can never know how awful a place is until you actually start. The good thing is right now you are earning money and you can continue doing that every day while you search for a better job.
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Apr 25, 2019 04:14
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"earning"
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Apr 25, 2019 04:18
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accumulating, anyway
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Apr 25, 2019 04:20
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You're right btw, I shouldn't have put "microservice technology" on my rez on the basis of my docker experience. because now people are under the impression that I know how to microservice
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Apr 25, 2019 04:21
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working on nothing is more ethical than working on weapons or privacy invading bullshit apps, so don't sweat it
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Apr 25, 2019 04:27
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ADINSX posted:No harm in beginning the interviewing process again, this time with a job at least. Whats their work from home policy? ADINSX posted:Find something new and just never put this one on the resume.
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Apr 25, 2019 04:36
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given that you have no work to do, it wouldn't technically be "working from home"
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Apr 25, 2019 04:37
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The work involves your computer and indeed.com
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Apr 25, 2019 04:51
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Gazpacho posted:I should explain it briefly if asked though right? I mean, "I found a job but it's unsatisfactory" vs "I haven't had work for >half a year"? Oh sure. Tell them you took a chance on a company that isn't working out. If they're a smaller company or startup, make sure you mention that, since there are plenty of train wrecks out there. Once you get a job, just pretend like the current one never existed... That's basically what I did for my last job hunt: I had left the company I'd been with for 2.5 years, then tried a different company and left after 3 months. I wanted to mention it so it didn't seem I hadn't been doing anything with the time, but now that I'm employed no one's ever gonna know.
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Apr 25, 2019 05:06
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the only cardinal sin is saying "oh my god those people were loving assholes" it's okay to say a job sucked, just couch it in neutral factual language "yeah i didn't have any work for 3 months and my boss quit after 2 weeks, it wasnt a great fit"
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Apr 25, 2019 05:27
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that place I was talking about yesterday offered me almost 30k more than I知 making right now. almost as much as the salaries posted for the faang I知 hoping to get into. thanks for all the advice. not saying a number definitely works.
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Apr 25, 2019 08:00
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Acer Pilot posted:that place I was talking about yesterday offered me almost 30k more than I’m making right now. almost as much as the salaries posted for the faang I’m hoping to get into. thanks for all the advice. not saying a number definitely works. Congrats!
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Apr 25, 2019 08:47
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Acer Pilot posted:that place I was talking about yesterday offered me almost 30k more than I知 making right now. almost as much as the salaries posted for the faang I知 hoping to get into. thanks for all the advice. not saying a number definitely works. Hell yes dude. Play it cool, wait for the other offer to roll in, freak out for a bit over your decisions, and then enjoy your new job and figgies
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Apr 25, 2019 14:25
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Acer Pilot posted:that place I was talking about yesterday offered me almost 30k more than I知 making right now. almost as much as the salaries posted for the faang I知 hoping to get into. thanks for all the advice. not saying a number definitely works. Hell yeah, awesome job
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Apr 25, 2019 14:38
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Gazpacho posted:so you may remember (probably not) that after bitching endlessly that I couldn't find a job, I found a job in feb so you have no work to do but you're still getting paid? congrats, you're in the best kind of job if you at all care about career development, you can work on personal projects during work hours. it's actually more impressive on a resume to bullshit a few talking points about your job and state you built a programming language or whatever in your spare time
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Apr 25, 2019 14:42
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Pie Colony posted:if you at all care about career development, you can work on personal projects during work hours. it's actually more impressive on a resume to bullshit a few talking points about your job and state you built a programming language or whatever in your spare time Eh, I don't know about this. At the beginning of someone's career sure, but at some point impressive accomplishments have to come from team efforts; plus I personally have a really hard time staying motivated when I'm not doing anything interesting, or worse, when I'm not doing anything interesting and yet busy work still occupies maybe half (or more of) my time. If you end up staying there and genuinely don't do anything for a year or so an interviewer could spot that, working on side projects during that time is better than nothing, but better than that would be something cool developed by the team.
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fair enough, my experience doing exactly that and succeeding was at the start of my career. i still think it's possible to work on solo projects that are technically interesting and personally satisfying no matter where you are in your career, but i can't imagine doing that if i had a full-time programming job to do as well.
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Apr 25, 2019 16:08
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anyone have any amazon specific advice? i've heard bad things about culture with some teams at amazon so one thing i'd like to know is when in the interview process are you actually interacting with people that would be on your team?
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Apr 26, 2019 01:54
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they're gonna ask you about the pillars
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Apr 26, 2019 02:02
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PokeJoe posted:they're gonna ask you about the pillars declaration of faith, obligatory prime, compulsory smile links, fasting during prime days and pilgrimage to Seattle?
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hobbesmaster posted:declaration of faith, obligatory prime, compulsory smile links, fasting during prime days and pilgrimage to Seattle? Twin pilgrimages, the greater and lesser. Lesser is to sf
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hobbesmaster posted:anyone have any amazon specific advice? i've heard bad things about culture with some teams at amazon so one thing i'd like to know is when in the interview process are you actually interacting with people that would be on your team? Not necessarily in my experience. I met the PM and the hiring manager, but none of my peers. I'm nearly a month in and I'm still enjoying it. Our team's working on some fun green field stuff in AWS, and its pretty interesting; I imagine it wouldn't be as fun working on legacy software. The good news is AWS seems to be hiring quite a bit, including our team if you want to PM me  The other nice thing about Amazon is they're really open to switching teams so far as I can tell, so worst case you can get in the door and switch teams if you have to (that's the theory anyway, I haven't been here long and like my team) As for the process itself, it really wasn't too bad. They'll do a pre-screen coding question, which will work for multiple teams if you want to interview with more than one. They'll also ask for a writing sample. They're big on their 14 values so make sure you learn them if you're serious about applying (they're online). A lot of the character questions are centered around them ("Tell me about a time you dug deep") so have little anecdotes ready for all of them basically. Other than that its a pretty normal interview... make sure you know your graph poo poo because every interview in the world apparently needs some sort of graph problem. Its a predominantly java company if that matters to you, but I did my whiteboarding in python it doesn't matter.
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Flat Daddy posted:last night I said gently caress it and just applied to all the big ones and got my first response. I知 hoping the process takes 1 billion years because while I知 really killing it with the strings and linked lists portion of CTCI, if there痴 anything harder than those questions I think I知 hosed. Flat Daddy posted:thanks good to know. I already responded to setting up the recruiter screen in the next couple of days (before I saw the responses itt, whoops) but I値l try and delay the rest. and go back and read the posts on minimum spanning trees I skipped in the meantime this has turned into an onsite... now im feeling a lot of maybe false confidence because the phone screen was waaaay easy for what I would expect a faang interview to be. pls let the onsite just be fizz buzz somehow unfortunately this is for 1 specific slot that opened up so I also have to hope not even 1 person is better than me lol Flat Daddy fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Apr 26, 2019 |
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