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Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

General q: are most years of experience reqs inflated or not for dev or DS jobs?

TimWinter posted:

Throwing this out there again- DataRobot with locations in Boston, Colorado, Ukraine, Singapore, and Ohio is hiring.

PM me and send a resume my way- we need a lot of developers of all stripes.

Like, seriously, a lot.



We just made a killer D round and need frontend, devop, and backend engineers.

This looks really neat and boy is that a big bunch of positions

Sleng Teng fucked around with this message at 14:08 on Sep 23, 2021

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Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

TimWinter posted:

We had a DS engineer is Chicago for a while. If you're open to remote work that team is like 2/3 outside of Boston.


Drop me a resume, I've got a bunch I need to push through hr today.

I'd love to but you couldn't squint at my relevant experience and get 5 years, I'm too green still!

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

Penisface posted:

thanks thread, i got a new job and a 66% number go up in figgies

it's a lot less amazing if you take into account that it's only a 36% raise compared to 3y ago, but i am still happy for having this

Congratulations!

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

I feel more like a janitor at Clark Kent's job, but point taken everyone!

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

KidDynamite posted:

underdog.io has come through for me today( i think as emails come directly from internal recruiters and no sign if they were directed there from underdog) Have 4 calls scheduled so far and my resume just went up this morning.

This seems similar to Hired.com, is there much of a difference?

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

Third party recruiters are now cold emailing my current work email... interesting strategy

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

bob dobbs is dead posted:

I have unironically heard of tech major phd internships which after the housing stipend paid as much, annualized

This sucks!

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

I came to learn last week that management will probably tell me to move to an office in another city with a significant CoL increase. this will be without any bump or relocation assistance or anything.

seeing as I don't want to live in this other city at all, and there are some glaring danger signs anyway, I'm now on the job hunt again. but since I'm still green I figured I might ask more experienced people here: am I out of line for hoping for anything at all if I'm told to move from one office to another? seems lovely to not offer anything at all and I'm essentially taking a significant pay cut

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

Thanks everyone, good to know that I'm not out of line. Now the fun part: to see if I can swing a new job before needing to leave this one


MononcQc posted:

They're treating you like a fungible cog in the machine, and this on its own tells a lot. I would personally consider this a "soft-firing" of the kind you've seen in businesses that suddenly go "remote employees have to move or quit."

This is the part that sucks the most!!

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

I had forgotten how awful all these online job boards (and the third party recruiters who troll them) are, jeez

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

hmm. realizing I don’t know what direction I want to go in, that my current job (1st out of school in this discipline) has maybe not prepared me very well for much, and that a lot of that is my fault, probably. I will take this introspection as a good part of this job search

potential congratulations, acer pilot

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

any special tips for getting interest/interviews out of your local area? I've only been at it for a couple of weeks but all my hits so far have just been in my city. I figure more applications + more time is needed (and of course being a more attractive candidate) but is there anything else I'm missing here

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

It seems I've been doing the wrong thing by clicking not interested every time then! what a lovely website

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

I keep getting conflicting messages on this so naturally I want to confuse myself further.

I have job experience in an entirely different role (electrical engineer) compared to what I do now (touch computer). EE background has been useful for certain things like specific industry + business knowledge for my current job, a handful of technical things related to it when doing some modeling, yadda yadda, but not much else. stuff that would vanish if I went to work for, like, fintech or a web/ad monstrosity or something. the other types of job skill, like communication, team work, team management, working with clients (even a brief embedded consulting type stint overseas), etc. I believe is shown by my current position, but I could use the previous career stuff for that kind of thing as well though the context is completely different.

some people have told me that I should flesh out that part a lil bit, maybe play it up a little. others tell me that, because there's no real job skill transfer to what I do now, to just leave it as a single line to show I was here at this time before starting this career and wasn't completely loving around or unemployed. assume there's a cover letter explaining the transition if relevant in finer detail (or maybe not, maybe it doesn't matter, I've been at my current job for over 1.5 years idk)

I've been doing the latter because, if I was hiring for the positions I am applying for, I don't think I'd give a poo poo about the previous job. Even though it's not retail cashier I don't think it's all that relevant other than showing that I've been able to do technical jobs for total x years. But if that's dumb then it would be much appreciated if someone told me so

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

Chopstick Dystopia posted:

For a career transition play up the transferrable skills, don't mention the ones that don't, be honest about previous roles/titles, and most importantly: explain why you're "passionate" about what you're trying to transfer to and why you're going to be good at it and "add value".

Some companies are just going to want specialists so don't be disheartened. You'll probably need a lot of volume to land the first gig.

what if you already landed the first gig and are looking at landing the second? cuz that’s where I am. is it still that much in play? I imagine it’s case by case but I’m trying to get a feel for it generally

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

Hmm. In the same email from a hiring manager giving me a take home I’ve found out:

1. the recruiter chopped up my resume, giving an inaccurate view of my capabilities (“my” resume was attached for some reason) with their garbage plastered all over
2. the take home is a bit different content wise than promised
3. the take home has different time constraints than promised (told Sat sun, instead I have from now until Sunday morning presumably so some poor slob reviews it on the weekend??)

so much for this job!

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

Asleep Style posted:

Thanks friends. It feels kind of gross to be celebrating when so many people are unemployed and the job market is real bad, but obviously that wasn't enough to stop me

Don't feel bad unless you're directly pulling someone else down imo, like spilling coffee on them in the wait room on purpose or something. Congrats!

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

ultrafilter posted:

I'd take a presentation over a whiteboard round any day.

Cosigned.

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

"2–99 years of experience working on a software engineering team building robust production software, with knowledge of how to write maintainable, reliable code (our engineers use Python, but it's OK if your experience is in another language)"

99 years of software

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

the idea of 99 years of software for an entry level position was funny, to me.

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

My experience searching right now would agree with both of those assessments in general! But that may be sour grapes

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

Achmed Jones posted:

don't send them an email, but do shame them on Glassdoor

This. I feel stupid leaving reviews for anything but did once when I got a take home that carelessly exposed some info on all previous applicants and got ignored when I brought it up. I'd like to think that review was helpful to somebody

Also been seeing a lot of glassdoor reviews recently with the covid tag that let me know which companies ruthlessly spy on their employees, which is helping a lot

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

Achmed Jones posted:

I'm not following, could you explain?

Lots of people working remote due to COVID and their employers spying on them through software. I've been seeing reviews calling that out

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

I am now being considered for a third position at a company after going a couple rounds for the first and second both (and a case study). Is this unusual? It feels unusual. It’s been like 2 months now

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

Mine has also been way down to the point where many days I don't get anything, but a) Less than 3 years of experience, b) I don't live in any of the big tech cities

Not sure why they let you specify other areas other than where you live currently when you open to recruiters as it doesn't seem to do much, at least in my experience

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

well done!

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

ultrafilter posted:

Designing Data-Intensive Applications by Kleppmann. It's the standard and it's going to be the standard for a while.

seconding this, I read it a while ago (at another time when ultrafilter mentioned it somewhere :) ) and it’s fantastic

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

I'm curious how they found out, if you don't mind sharing?

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

I've never had to manage an interview timeline like this before, so here is my probably basic question.

Company A has indicated an offer is coming through the end of this week (a second verbal and a letter). I like Company A, they'd be a decent step up, the comp is nothing to sneeze at, and the problem space is fairly interesting.

However I have one more full day of interviews with Company B early next week. Company B would be an even better step up with comp to match, I find the problems / tech they work with to be more exciting, and they'd look a lot better on a resume. I'd say I'm probably 2x as excited for B.

I'd like to tell Company A to wait a week since I believe decision would come from Company B relatively quickly but if it doesn't (it's the week before the 4th of July after all) or I can't get at least a week from A,... what should I do? When I ask A for time should I tell them I'm waiting on another co? Seal my lips? Should I just say yes to A then toss a match on that bridge as I sashay on over to B if they come through (with a good offer)? I wouldn't feel guilty exactly as nobody at A is my friend (yet) and corporations aren't people, but burning a bridge is a potential risk I'd like to avoid if possible.

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

Okay good then, seems like my first instinct was in line with you two. Of course the whole thing may be moot if I get nothing from B but I’ll just proceed as best I can. It’s a nice problem to have after all!

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

Sleng Teng posted:

Okay good then, seems like my first instinct was in line with you two. Of course the whole thing may be moot if I get nothing from B but I’ll just proceed as best I can. It’s a nice problem to have after all!

So uh, company B came through. Thanks to the power of Knowing Someone and following advice posted in this thread it looks like I'm getting about 3x my current TC without even needing to move... I'm underpaid but not by that much lol

So thanks thread

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

I enjoy cooking and the time spend doing it :)

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

I basically tripled my income thanks to this thread just from last job into current. well and the power of Knowing A Guy

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

ultrafilter posted:

God drat FB recruiters are thirsty.

it’s been unbearable lol. ML/AI teams won’t gently caress off, dunno about other sectors

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

Going to involved in interviews for a coworker in a much more senior position than mine for the first time. Not the exact same function/role but similar. I know the standard stuff still applies (e.g. can I stand to be around this person) but anything else in particular?

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

ultrafilter posted:

Are you going to be reporting to them in any capacity?

Nope! They will have reports eventually but we will have the same boss.

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

this is one of those moments where I wonder if I'm just dumb because I just answer the hobby question honestly and I don't think I've ever worried or thought about it all that much

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

nudgenudgetilt posted:

i feel like there are two conversations going on.

as an interviewee, there is basically no downside to answering the question honestly

as an interviewer, there are pitfalls around the question that quickly reveal protected information, so the question should be avoided

yeah I get that, was speaking to #1 with that post.

for #2 I see that also. personally would just want some way to just shoot the poo poo with a candidate somehow but it's gotta be structured right? but I'm learning to interview right now so that may be off base.

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Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

that's a really lovely comment to give, gently caress that

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