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Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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the hell is food desperation?

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Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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TimWinter posted:

I should do this.

Also, I absolutely, 100% hypocritically, hold it against candidates who admit to doing this.

admitting to it would be pretty loving stupid so that's actually justified

"oh yeah I thought I'd just come by and probably waste your time make me an offer lol"

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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Notorious b.s.d. posted:

why would you want to live anywhere else? 🤔

it's full of new yorkers

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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jony neuemonic posted:

“it’s a good investment, property values only go up!” - a thing someone said to me completely straight-faced.

it's mostly international money laundering (by dollar volume) and they don't care if they only get $5 million out because none of the $10 million they put in was theirs to begin with

e: or if it was it won't be worth anything to them in the scenario where they're suddenly on the outs with whoever owns the cops and courts at home

Munkeymon fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Mar 12, 2018

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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Dongslayer. posted:

i went in business one week thinking i got lucky cause it was summer.

everyone knows its cold there. they never talk about how humid it gets

as humid as the rest of the Midwest. people mostly blame the corn

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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I got a cold email from some external recruiter a couple weeks ago for a job in South Dakota so I deleted it thinking it was just normal mail merge spam. nope - the guy has followed up four times. gotta figure a normal person would figure out I wasn't going to respond after the second one where he said they were in the final round of interviews and I'd better hurry up to be considered didn't get me running in visibly out of breath holding a half-crumpled resume, but no, not this dude. maybe it's actually a sympathy play because I am wondering just how desperate you have to be to be so obviously thirsty

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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use the v7 native tuple syntax because if they don't recognize that you don't want to work with them

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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Fiedler posted:

Even better -- don't use tuples.

oh I dunno - the new syntax makes them a little cleaner than anonymous objects but of course you can't use them in query syntax :smith:

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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ShadowHawk posted:

You should be automating your continuous build system to scream at them for you.

https://mobile.twitter.com/infinite_scream has that covered so I guess devops is done and everyone can go home :angel:

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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Notorious b.s.d. posted:

you are also probably looking at the wrong job titles. anything that mentions machine learning in the title is probably an ETL job, and ETL developers are cheap

:what:

I'm having trouble coming up with a bigger description mismatch

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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Notorious b.s.d. posted:

welcome to job title inflation

it's not a mis-match, though. like 90% of the work in any ML group is just slurping data in and out of other sources, because it's never in any convenient format

ETL is the bulk of the work, for real

even if you land one of those high-dollar jobs that leverages your modeling and statistics expertise, you will still spend an inordinate amount of your time worrying about ETL tasks -- either writing the code yourself or trying to persuade a moron "data science engineer" to do it

oh yeah makes sense when you put it that way. I guess there'd at least be some interesting work around the ETL stuff though

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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HoboMan posted:

that is the current plan but i was wondering if anyone had any better ideas

pretend you're planning to move back to the area in January when you talk to hiring managers?

IDK I'd wait until December to even start looking in your position

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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Space Whale posted:

Yeah, but it is very important, and if you gently caress up stuff like weight balance in a plane, that can cause nose/tail strikes on takeoff. gently caress up takeoff procedure on very hot days, or based on your kit/modifications? Very bad!

I like how there's so much prep into "ok so if this engine goes, do that" so if poo poo did go down the pilot literally has a script to follow. I also like how at least one airplane (Something Mustang?) is apparently so light and small that if the pilot crawled into the lavatory in the back of the airplane, it would pitch up, and potentially crash, making for a literal dump of death.

I mean this is purely theoretical and I hope it never happens, but yes, you could literally shitpost a plane out of the sky. In a sense.

wtf civilian aircraft has a lavatory but not positive stability?

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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Space Whale posted:

Also, with CARGO planes, if your poo poo isn't tied down properly, say if a strap breaks, and a heavy thing slides back, you get tail heavy in a hurry. If your AoA is too high, especially on takeoff, sucks to be you. This is usually just a tail strike, not a flaming deathball, but poo poo happens.

that happened to a iirc 747 carrying tanks the other year and someone caught it on dashcam. whole fuckin plane visibly shifts suddenly mid-takeoff and then falls right out of the sky like in a disaster movie

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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Boiled Water posted:

there was a time when it was that or html out the .pl

dark times

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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Rex-Goliath posted:

i’ve run into this enough times consulting that it’s starting to really get on my nerves so lord help anyone that can’t loving touch-type when i interview them

jfc

hey I can't perform when someone is watching check your privilege :(

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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chmods please posted:

newjob asked what kind of laptop i want, which is cool, i've never had a choice before.

they also asked what kind of noise canceling headphones i want which i assume is in direct response to an offhand comment i made in the interview about not liking open plan offices and uuuhhhh first off, nice attention to detail, second off, now i need to figure out which headphones are good, lol

Bose quiet comfort

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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if I'm remembering right it's moral to push truck commuters in front of trolleys

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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raminasi posted:

three years of living in boston nearly drove me to suicide just from having to deal with bostonians every day. i’m not exaggerating or joking. don’t move to boston.

although people from outside the united states and people who move with significant others seem to have a much better time of it for some reason.

guessing people from outside the US just assume that's how Americans are and are just happy their assumptions were justified the whole time

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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TimWinter posted:

Are shameless job postings welcome? I guess if you're here and want to work for DataRobot hit me up because we're hiring an insane number of engineers all of a sudden.

that sounds way more interesting than anything I'm qualified for but I sent you the sad excuse of the thing I use for a resume anyways

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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qhat posted:

I guess my sticking point with this role in particular is it demands a couple years experience, mostly because this company really does not need any more junior devs or people with little understanding of basic things like testing and best practices.

Even then, I disagree that these bootcamps are all you need to be an effective software engineer long term, there's just so much poo poo that is taught in a cs program that you will never get from a 10 week boot camp. Networking, distributed systems, advanced databases, security, cloud engineering to name a few big ones that I really wish people at this company had even a cursory understanding of.

none of those are core classes, though? other than networking fundamentals and some security stuff I'm learning all of that poo poo on the job

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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has anyone used https://www.vettery.com/ ?

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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they emailed me too which is why I was asking

Munkeymon
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meatpotato posted:

i decided to just blow off meeting with jobspring

im gonna do more tv show work instead :hellyeah:

looking forward to your cameo on the next season of Silicon Valley

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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vetterly trip report: got an interview request a few hours after my profile went public. local company with an actual product you can buy on Amazon too which surprises me a bit because I was expecting fart app providers from the coastal tech hubs

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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for in-person interviews I like to say I'm going to the dentist so it's not weird that I'm brushing my teeth before I leave

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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I worked for a consulting company for a couple of years and now I get tons of recruiter spam from consulting recruiters even though I have the thing switched off and don't want to do placement consulting either

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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bob dobbs is dead posted:

money that i and lots of us citizen peeps would laugh at and reject, like 100k usd + 50k in rsu's or whatever

... which would be better than average outside of the top four markets in the US?

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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Notorious b.s.d. posted:

good luck recruiting senior candidates from the flyover states

it's not like programmers in, say, minnesota are unaware that wages double on the coasts. they just don't care. they have houses and families and they would rather face penury than leave

(that's how they ended up as senior developers in minnesota! could have left at any point in their careers and chose not to)

yeah, my salary that puts me well over the median income of two earners sure is poverty. you called it. now I don't have any more time to post I've got to walk to the dump and scrounge some tarps to rebuild the roof because it's snowing

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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Notorious b.s.d. posted:

the job markets are extremely thin. you might not find another tech job, or at least, not another job that fits your specialisation.

by the time you're highly experienced, there might only be a handful of jobs in a small market that you would fit into easily, or command the pay you were looking for

i have known guys who did long stints unemployed, because they would rather spend 18 months out of a job than leave whatever godforsaken burg they grew up in

that's a thing people do. it's ok. i understand that sometimes family connections or your church or whatever matter more than economic concerns.

edit: to be real clear, i get testy just because it means it's impossible to recruit these motherfuckers.

no, the market isn't thin here. it was where I grew up - that's why I'm here

I also don't believe I can get double what I make on the coasts but that might actually make it worth it to move to Seattle (maybe) if I could. probably not NYC though

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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Notorious b.s.d. posted:

nyc is a much more livable place than seattle

every idiot visits midtown manhattan and imagines that is what nyc is like. and it's not. midtown manhattan is a miserable hellscape where we go to work, just like the lovely office park where you go to work

the residential areas of nyc look like sesame street. (because sesame street is set in nyc)



I know. I've spent a few cumulative weeks there visiting my sister and her husband. I've also spent a few cumulative weeks visiting Seattle and like it better :shrug: probably reminds me more of home because of all the Scandinavians

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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The_Franz posted:

that only works if you bought your home 20+ years ago before housing prices went insane or inherited it from a parent or grandparent who did

:thejoke:

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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California's constitution is also a joke but one of those bad rambling poorly told ones

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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Skim Milk posted:

hey skim milk, how do you remember a bunch of random facts about other posters?

I’m ohio tori, bitch

cleveland is a coastal city

if you think about it all river cities are coastal

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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Rex-Goliath posted:

'interviewing and recruiting is garbage'

i think people itt are regularly losing sight of why this thread was made in the first place

to argue about where the best place to live is obviously

"finding a new job sucks so much we all decide to become lizards instead"

except me - I'm thinking food truck proprietor. and I've only been here a year and eight months :negative:

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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Symbolic Butt posted:

my favorite one was how this one dude I worked with made a huge stink because I never heard of ACO before

"oh, uh, yeah, I've heard of brute forcing a solution - why'd they rename it?"

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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pointsofdata posted:

I'm looking for possibly short term remote work (so I can move to Belize) and so many listings from US companies are 100% remote, theb you get to the small print on the application form and you have to live in the USA. Is there a particular reason for this?

They don't make the condition very obvious but I think that's more parochialism than anything

you know the terrible programmer thread title is a joke right?

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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protip to recruiters out there: if you feel the need to put '(not an automated message)' in your subject lines on LinkedIn you should really reevaluate your whole life. just top to bottom

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

lol you're making GBS threads me

aapl reached out because of your posts?

I mean, they were good posts, but, poo poo

finding a few people who when sat down in front of xcode say 'this is better than what I'm used to' probably helps morale on the xcode team and former MUMPS people are probably easy mode there

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

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jit bull transpile posted:

physically too big to sit in coach

doesn't stop the people I get stuck next to

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Munkeymon
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"well the last time I had to think much about how a red-black tree works internally Skater Boi was charting but uh..."

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