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IcePhoenix posted:Sorry to step in on racism chat but, just in case there were people not watching last night, I want to make sure people see my cool and good friend Jimmy Butler doing cool and good things I had to go check.  *tugs at shirt collar*
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Salvor_Hardin posted:I had to go check. That's not good.
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Salvor_Hardin posted:I had to go check. He's not good op
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Feb 16, 2018 17:57
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Its not so much that he is not good, it's that he still plays like he is good. He jacked up so many shots, just threw his body at the rim. He still has his vision and passing, but he just cant move anymore. It's really sad.
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Feb 16, 2018 18:01
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Salvor_Hardin posted:I had to go check.  *mops brow, wrings sweat from rag*
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Feb 16, 2018 18:04
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scuz posted:I had to go check. No turnovers and a plus 3!!! Max him
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Feb 16, 2018 18:05
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Paul Zuvella posted:Its not so much that he is not good, it's that he still plays like he is good. He jacked up so many shots, just threw his body at the rim. He still has his vision and passing, but he just cant move anymore. It's really sad. He's like 18 games past hip surgery so I think its early for him to start resigning himself to a role player. The Lakers will want him to keep trying to put it together and get past this injury if he can, so he has a green light. The best thing for the team and for him will be to keep putting up shots and keep trying to break down defenses, whether or not its working.
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Feb 16, 2018 18:06
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did Adam Silver really say that Steph Curry was the reason the allstar draft was not televised? Very predictable and sad if true
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Feb 16, 2018 18:10
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Lockback posted:He's like 18 games past hip surgery so I think its early for him to start resigning himself to a role player. The Lakers will want him to keep trying to put it together and get past this injury if he can, so he has a green light. The best thing for the team and for him will be to keep putting up shots and keep trying to break down defenses, whether or not its working. He never got surgery.
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Feb 16, 2018 18:11
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Paul Zuvella posted:He never got surgery. Yeah haha he basically went about the whole thing in the worst possible way
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Feb 16, 2018 18:15
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euphronius posted:No turnovers and a plus 3!!! If Andrew Wiggins is a max-worthy player, it's not for this team. He isn't performing like a max player for the wolves, maybe he will elsewhere.
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Feb 16, 2018 18:16
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scuz posted:I had to go check.  *sweating intensifies*
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Feb 16, 2018 18:17
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scuz posted:I had to go check. Andrew Wiggins is having the worst season of his career by most advanced metrics the year before his 5 year, $145 million extension kicks in  Funnily enough, he's having his best season by DBPM! Turns out he needed to preserve all his energy to be a good scorer, and putting in any effort on defense has turned him into an all-around useless player
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Feb 16, 2018 18:17
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scuz posted:After being on the fence for a while, I'm prepared to offer this fence dismount: We should sign and trade him for Paul George in the offseason because I want to see him, Russ, and Carmelo share the floor
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CRISPYBABY posted:
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Feb 16, 2018 18:21
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My king is so inspirational
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Feb 16, 2018 18:21
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Man I remember when the extensions went through I was kinda worried about how much money the Derozan/Lowry/Ibaka trio was locking up but the combination of how wildly successful it's been versus looking at things like the Wiggins and John Wall contracts and I'm pretty happy with it. I mean obviously it could still fall off in a year or two/those guys who are currently being embarrassing could get it going in year 2 or 3 of the deal, but the initial returns are promising.
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Feb 16, 2018 18:22
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scuz posted:
It's ok he's only like 215th out of 488 qualified players in RPM! Tyus is 11th #FreeTyus
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Feb 16, 2018 18:23
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https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/249000/Wolves-Not-Planning-To-Sign-Derrick-Rose posted:Derrick Rose was linked to the Minnesota Timberwolves following reports of his buyout from the Utah Jazz, but Glen Taylor said it is not something the team is currently considering *unpoops pants, draws first breath in 7 days*
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Awww yeah look at my beautiful boy Dipo over there.
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Feb 16, 2018 18:26
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Do people think the high-profile manner in which giant extensions have kinda backfired, combined with the general lack of cap space, will create an MLB-style depression in the free agency market for big-money players this offseason? People are even treating the Blake Griffin deal, which honestly feels like market value for a legitimately good player, as if it were toxic. My instinct is that NBA owners will probably find a way to spend money as long as nothing is stopping them, but a part of me also thinks teams might not be lining up to give Zach Lavine $25 million a year now that there's a bunch of cautionary tales
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Feb 16, 2018 18:27
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Compared to MLB , NBA contracts are way shorter (usually 4 years with an option year ) and are closer aligned to a players peak years. Also MLB owners are colluding and committing like 40 unfair labor practices. There is already a correction in the market tho following 2016 . Lou Williams got like 8 mill a year . kCP couldn't get s huge deal. There are tons of RFAs coming up that didn't get extended last fall.
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xbilkis posted:Do people think the high-profile manner in which giant extensions have kinda backfired, combined with the general lack of cap space, will create an MLB-style depression in the free agency market for big-money players this offseason? People are even treating the Blake Griffin deal, which honestly feels like market value for a legitimately good player, as if it were toxic. ESPN (I think) had an article a little while ago about this. Basically the market is going to be depressed until ~2020 when all the contracts that came from the cap explosion expire, because teams will have cap space/money again.
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scuz posted:If Andrew Wiggins is a max-worthy player, it's not for this team. He isn't performing like a max player for the wolves, maybe he will elsewhere. He's a mini-max guy (many teams would have offered it) and the numbers are the same as the mini-max has always been, it just looks big right now until all contracts are inflated. Contracts are no "bigger" as a portion of the cap than they were before. But his role on this team is rough. He's playing better defense, but he's not a off-ball, 4th option on offense type guy. I wrote at the beginning that I hoped he played more with the bench because he's going to get lost on offense otherwise. And when Butler's been out Wiggins has played pretty good! So either Thibs needs to redo his rotations (which I don't blame him for not doing when the offense is playing this well and their record is so good) or they need to think about replacing him next season. I think they can work with the roster and have Wiggins play the 2 with the 2nd unit more to get Butler more rest, but I dunno if that will actually happen.
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I would be so happy if Lebron just said “Who?” when the inevitable Laura ingrahamcracker question comes up. Please hit em with the “I don’t know her.”
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xbilkis posted:Do people think the high-profile manner in which giant extensions have kinda backfired, combined with the general lack of cap space, will create an MLB-style depression in the free agency market for big-money players this offseason? People are even treating the Blake Griffin deal, which honestly feels like market value for a legitimately good player, as if it were toxic. The big extensions which have backfired/will probably backfire are mostly injury related, right? John Wall has no knees, Blake gets hurt when the wind changes directions. Maybe teams will stop throwing huge cash towards avian boned men. Is Andrew Wiggins the healthiest player to ever totally underwhelm on a giant contract? WS per million earned (adjusted for inflation or % of cap/relation to the max) would be a fun stat
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Lockback posted:He's a mini-max guy (many teams would have offered it) and the numbers are the same as the mini-max has always been, it just looks big right now until all contracts are inflated. Contracts are no "bigger" as a portion of the cap than they were before. Is a guy who can't function as a complimentary piece really worth the rookie max? I know other people probably would have offered it to him (although after this season, it's a lot more likely that nobody would have bothered), but how much of that was attributable to him being The Man on offense due to his draft position? How many other players in the league could score 20+ ppg while not contributing much in any other facet of the game if their team was comfortable letting them be the lead offensive option?
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xbilkis posted:How many other players in the league could score 20+ ppg while not contributing much in any other facet of the game if their team was comfortable letting them be the lead offensive option?  That's a little unfair to 'Melo though since he gets rebounds sometimes and can make free throws
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NickRoweFillea posted:I would be so happy if Lebron just said “Who?” when the inevitable Laura ingrahamcracker question comes up. Please hit em with the “I don’t know her.” Uh, don't ignore Sports Expert Laura Ingraham https://twitter.com/IngrahamAngle/status/146320833307099136
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xbilkis posted:Is a guy who can't function as a complimentary piece really worth the rookie max? I know other people probably would have offered it to him (although after this season, it's a lot more likely that nobody would have bothered), but how much of that was attributable to him being The Man on offense due to his draft position? DeRozan wasn't a rookie max, but it was reasonably close and he had worse numbers than Wiggins across his first 3 years. Eric Gordon got the identical contract, and while his 3rd year was better he had a big injury risk (Wiggins has been the most consistent iron man in the league). The contract was pretty much what you'd expect. If it was a 5year, 14mil a year in 2013-14 it'd be the identical impact but it wouldn't be called a gigantic contract coming off the books this year.
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xbilkis posted:Do people think the high-profile manner in which giant extensions have kinda backfired, combined with the general lack of cap space, will create an MLB-style depression in the free agency market for big-money players this offseason? People are even treating the Blake Griffin deal, which honestly feels like market value for a legitimately good player, as if it were toxic. Yeah there's been a bunch of think pieces this year about how the market's swinging back down. Whether it happens or not we'll see because it only takes one GM willing to shell out to inflate the market for everyone else, but that seems to be the thought floating in the air.
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Lockback is going to defend Andrew Wiggins's contract until he's dead and gone, at which point a hologram of Lockback will defend Andrew Wiggins's contract until the end of time
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Feb 16, 2018 18:58
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Giannis did not get the rookie extension max.
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https://twitter.com/Not_Cloaked/status/964360676733939712
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Cool Buff Man posted:Lockback is going to defend Andrew Wiggins's contract until he's dead and gone, at which point a hologram of Lockback will defend Andrew Wiggins's contract until the end of time Same thing happened with me here for Demar's post-rookie contract. Everyone on here shitted all over it, with me being it's only supporter. The difference I think now is that Wiggins does not have nearly the drive Demar did (perhaps more toolsy though). All he seems to want to do is play videay games
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:Same thing happened with me here for Demar's post-rookie contract. Everyone on here shitted all over it, with me being it's only supporter.
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Wiggins is 22. When derozan was that age he was equally awful.
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