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I'm working my way though the ruling, but the thing that sticks out to me is that it's a CDC order to control the spread of disease, and the Plaintiff States' objections are "illegal immigrants cost us money by using social services." I don't see how that's a valid reason to stop the CDC from revoking its order. I'd also like to see how much economic activity is generated by the immigrants, and how it would effect the agricultural, construction, hospitality, and meatpacking industries of these states if the flow of immigrant labor was cut off. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.lawd.188754/gov.uscourts.lawd.188754.90.0_1.pdf
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May 20, 2022 23:03
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Finally worked my way through the ruling. IANAL, but here's the summary. The 24 States who constitute the plaintiffs have standing in court due to the significant costs in healthcare and education spending they will incur if large numbers of immigrants come into the country. The surge in migrants that will result from a repeal of the Title 42 order is not contested by the defendants. The court also states that the CDC's order to revoke the previous Title 42 order does not adhere to the requirements to provide a time for notice and comment as required by the Administrative Procedure Act. Essentially it seems to say that the CDC can revoke the Title 42 order, but it must go about it properly. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.lawd.188754/gov.uscourts.lawd.188754.90.0_1.pdf
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May 23, 2022 06:54
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Is it unrealistically pessimistic to see this lawsuit as a duel between the following ideologies: We just killed a million people and: neolibs: We have to replace them with immigrants asap before the dip in labor supply raises wages and working conditions conservatives: tons of em were nonwhite and replacing them with more nonwhites will be one step forward two steps back
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May 24, 2022 13:12
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OMGVBFLOL posted:Is it unrealistically pessimistic to see this lawsuit as a duel between the following ideologies: I think that's a completely justified viewpoint, yeah.
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May 24, 2022 22:07
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OMGVBFLOL posted:Is it unrealistically pessimistic to see this lawsuit as a duel between the following ideologies: https://www.cato.org/blog/census-finds-us-population-will-decline-without-immigration CATO.org states that the US population will begin to shrink without immigration. Given that the population of citizens is trending older, an influx of younger people is necessary to fill job openings and keep the country moving forwards. Conservatives understand this at a basic level, but seem fine with maintaining the status quo of having a permanent undocumented underclass to perform various jobs, even if they want to stop the source of that underclass. The vast majority of my co-workers are very conservative, what people on SA would call "chuds." Listening to them, they seem to think that people in the US who don't work can simply apply for welfare and spend the rest of their lives on government assistance, and that people who immigrate to the US without permission are also able to take advantage of the same benefits. That is, they believe that the US's welfare state is much more robust than it actually is. The un-stated, but heavily implied portion of that is that these benefits are only available to non-white people. There is also the thought that cutting of immigration and coupling that with and ending of the supposed welfare benefits would force people on assistance to work, which is basically a fantasy as in rural areas there simply aren't enough native born Americans available to do the jobs. Wisconsin dairy farms would grind to a halt without a supply of immigrant labor, partially because every farm family in the Midwest isn't having 8 kids anymore. There is a reason you see all these small towns crumbling into dust, usually with an abandoned 2 story brick school house in the town from 1920s. And unless I have missed something (which I may have,) the Biden Administration has not had any proxies in Congress propose a bill to reform the immigration system.
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May 24, 2022 22:43
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A lot of these people genuinely believe that welfare lets people live entirely idle lives and that minorities can somehow access more and better welfare than white people, and will not be swayed from this no matter how much evidence you show them. While also complaining the immigrants are stealing all their jobs.
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May 25, 2022 05:08
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May, 2022 CBP update. Big takeaways are an increase in migration, and that single adults are mostly processed and removed under Title 42 while families are processed under Title 8 and are more likely to be allowed to stay pending a court date. https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/nation...nited%20States. To summarize: 239,416 across the SW Border 2% increase over April -177,793 were unique (not repeats) 15% increase over April 165,200 were single adults -90,650 processed for expulsion under Title 42 -74,550 processed under Title 8. 59,282 family unit individuals - 9,850 processed for expulsion under Title 42. -49,432 processed under Title 8. 14,699 unaccompanied children -Average number of children in CBP custody per day is 692. An important note: Preparations for a Potential Increase in Migration Current restrictions at the U.S. border have not changed. Single adults and families encountered at the Southwest Border continue to be expelled, where appropriate, under the Centers for Disease Control’s (CDC) Title 42 public health authority. Individuals who are not expelled under Title 42 and do not have a legal basis to remain in the U.S. generally are placed in either expedited removal or full removal proceedings. In response to the increase in migration being experienced by nations across the Hemisphere, DHS is executing a comprehensive, whole-of-government plan to manage increases in the number of migrants encountered at our border, as outlined by Secretary of Homeland Security Alejandro N. Mayorkas in an April 26 memo. That includes surging resources, increasing efficiencies, administering consequences, bolstering capacity of non-governmental organizations, targeting and disrupting transnational criminal organizations and smugglers, and deterring irregular migration in partnership with other agencies across the federal government and with nations throughout the hemisphere.
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Jun 28, 2022 01:54
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I don't know if there is enough irony for this. https://twitter.com/katelinthicum/status/1552306358053126149
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Jul 28, 2022 05:40
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Scuffy_1989 posted:I don't know if there is enough irony for this. Construir La Pared
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Jul 28, 2022 05:49
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Barudak posted:Construir La Pared Y los EE.UU. la van a pagar.
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Jul 28, 2022 06:49
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It will never happen but the US, Canada, Mexico should do some sort of Eurozone lite. But racists love their borders and burdens so.
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Jul 29, 2022 01:55
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Mooseontheloose posted:It will never happen but the US, Canada, Mexico should do some sort of Eurozone lite. But racists love their borders and burdens so. They should, but, hear me out, brown people I, as a stupid child, thought this is what NAFTA would lead to, a peaceful unification of the US and Canada and Mexico into one super country
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Jul 29, 2022 04:47
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Mooseontheloose posted:It will never happen but the US, Canada, Mexico should do some sort of Eurozone lite. But racists love their borders and burdens so. You could absolutely get racists on board with this if you sold it properly. The new hotness is blaming Central American migrants coming through Mexico, not Mexicans themselves. It doesn't actually solve any of the problems, since the root cause relates to the factors that drive migration in the first place, but it would be convenient for well-to-do people in all three countries, for sure!
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Jul 29, 2022 05:45
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Barudak posted:They should, but, hear me out, brown people OK then US and Canada, but in the actual Eurozone
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Jul 29, 2022 08:10
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Barudak posted:They should, but, hear me out, brown people 80% of Canada's national identity is "we aren't the United States". That alone would be enough to provide a lot of resistance.
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Jul 30, 2022 22:25
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i mean, how many degrees of temperature rise will it take before most of north america's arable farming is being done in canada and alaska? the US annexing Canada seems entirely possible.
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Jul 31, 2022 17:39
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DeadlyMuffin posted:80% of Canada's national identity is "we aren't the United States". That alone would be enough to provide a lot of resistance. I don't think it's fair to say Quebec is 20% of their national identity...
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Jul 31, 2022 19:13
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OMGVBFLOL posted:i mean, how many degrees of temperature rise will it take before most of north america's arable farming is being done in canada and alaska? the US annexing Canada seems entirely possible. Even if the temperature up there warms up, you can't farm in those places at nearly the same scale because the soil is simply not suitable.
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Aug 1, 2022 22:23
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:Even if the temperature up there warms up, you can't farm in those places at nearly the same scale because the soil is simply not suitable. Also the lack of daylight in winter.
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Aug 1, 2022 23:02
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PT6A posted:Also the lack of daylight in winter. I'm not an agriculture expert but this does not strike me as one of the foremost concerns for farming.
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Aug 2, 2022 00:37
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How exactly do you think photosynthesis works?
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Aug 2, 2022 16:35
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:How exactly do you think photosynthesis works? Not very well on crops that have already been harvested in the fall?
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eXXon posted:Not very well on crops that have already been harvested in the fall? I'm talking about scale. California, due to its climate and latitude, can grow food almost year around: https://www.ufseeds.com/california-vegetable-planting-calendar.html This is what makes it an agricultural powerhouse. You're never going to replicate that further north. Even if the climate becomes warmer up there, it's unlikely to be temperate, and there's simply not enough daylight to grow enough food to replace our current production levels.
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Ok, I guess I wasn't specific enough, and I should have said something like "the lack of winter daylight hours does not strike me as one of the foremost barriers for expanding farming to warming parts of the Canadian north like the Canadian Shield, because as previously noted the poor quality soil is the main reason why, for example, Northern Ontario isn't farmed the way parts of the prairies are (some at even higher latitudes)". But anyway, since this thread is ostensibly about US immigration, I would worry less about Americans marching north to claim peat bogs or whatever, and more about Nestle's private armies draining our precious
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Any article about the Wall being completed near Yuma should have this picture posed with it. The "2-3 gaps near the dam" are what are being filled in, not the 6 mile gap near the Indian Reservation. 
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