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bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

VIVA PUIG


The Men's combined is happening right now and there's no thread for alpine racing events so here's a hastily thrown together OP which I may or may not update later with more info.

Alpine ski racing is the dorkiest and oldest version of skiing in the Olympics. It is the swimming of the winter games and IMO is more watchable.

There are four disciplines and five events. In order from smallest turns and most technical to longest turns and most speed they are Slalom, Giant Slalom (aka GS), Super G, Downhill. Most skiers at this level tend to be best at one range of this spectrum, or perhaps just one discipline. But the very best are competitive in them all.

The fifth event is a very creatively named Alpine Combined and is a combination of a Downhill run and an Slalom run in the same day. (This is happening right now as I'm wasting time typing this OP!)

'Murican Athletes to watch:

There are some men that are excellent skiers and Ted Ligety aka TED SHRED is still a zen master of GS but the medal contenders are the women.

LINDSEY VONN



You already know about her presumably. This is probably her last Olympics. Vonn is well embedded in the American pop/celebrity cultural awareness (she dated Tiger Woods for some strange reason) but she is pretty clearly the greatest American ski racer of all time and we should appreciate her talents here one last time. I mean this in an objective sense, she's won more World Cup races and overall titles than any other American. She has had really bad injury luck in Olympic years so it would be cool if she had a good week this time around. Vonn's best events have always been speed, look for her in Downhill and Super G but mostly it's all about the Downhill.


But fret not America, there is another ridiculously talented blonde women ready to become the symbol of elite achievement in The Whitest Sport...

MIKAELA SHIFFRIN



Shiffrin's specialty is at the other end of the spectrum. She dominates slalom (and is the reigning gold medalist in that discipline) but now as a seasoned veteran at the ripe age of 22 (she snagged her first World Cup podium at 16) she is a force across the board. Shiffrin won her first World Cup Overall title last year (points across all five races over the course of the whole season), something Vonn has done an American-record 4 times. Mikaela currently holds a commanding lead on the World Cup Overall standings for this season. Look for her in slalom obviously, but she could podium in anything cause she is THE BEST. Here's a cool multimedia feature on her from the NYT that also does an excellent job of breaking down the differences between the disciplines.


edit: Here are excellent write ups of the competitors to know from Hookshot, who is our resident goon ski racer, and also follows the World Cup much more closely than I do. Broken into two categories, speed events and technical events.


Hookshot posted:


Men's Downhill

The marquee event of the alpine skiing. Already been moved once because of wind, but since it should die down my bet is the real downhill will go from the top.

It's a dumb looking downhill IMO, it hasn't got a single gliding section, and the women's track is a lot better. That said, here are the favourites:

Aksel Lund Svindal -





Like 3 years ago he missed a whole season because he tore his achilles tendon playing soccer, came back, won everything, then destroyed his knee at Kitzbuhel, the hardest track on the men's circuit. Missed another season, came back this year, and immediately started winning everything again. This dude is a loving boss. Won a gold, silver and bronze medal in 2010, but I think he hosed up in Sochi and didn't win anything (I'm not looking it up but I'm 99% sure that's the case). He's the odds-on favourite to win here though, and dude is clutch. He's my pick for the win in the Fantasy Ski Racer app.

Kjetil Jansrud -





Sort of always played second fiddle to Svindal, but is seriously a threat when Svindal is out, and is legitimately a favourite in his own right. He and Svindal are besties forever. Also the defending Super G champ.

Beat Feuz - :switzerland:





Reigning world champion in DH. Looks like a potato, but I'm pretty sure the dad bod helps him get down the hill faster. Has won a few WC DH races this year.

Other notables

Thomas Dressen, Germany: the first good male speed skier Germany has had in years and years. Kind of came out of nowhere this year to win Kitzbuhel (ski racing's Superbowl) and just came first in the combined DH. I've got him as my "sort of dark horse" to get silver behind Svindal in Fantasy Ski Racer.

Matthias Mayer, Austria: Defending champion. Broke his back a couple years ago, had a bit of a comeback year last year, but this year has been a threat in most races.

Hannes Reichelt, Austria: Super consistent, and super consistently good. Don't count him out. He's like a million years old.

Vincent Kriechmayer, Austria: Randomly won a couple races this year, won one of the DH training runs too. Definitely a dark horse, but a possibility.

Christof Innerhofer, Italy: Won a training run but hasn't done poo poo yet this year, really. Still, this dude is clutch, he's super Euro in the best way, and my favourite person on the men's tour. Cheer for Innerhoffer.

Women's Downhill

Lindsey Vonn

See bawful's writeup

Sofia Goggia





I'm reasonably sure she's single-handedly responsible for her coaches' life spans being reduced by at least ten years. She is loving SENDY. She either finishes on the podium or blows out completely. Won both test events in Korea last year, but only by the slimmest of margins. This race is really Goggia vs Vonn. Her dog's name is Belle and she's a good girl.

Other notables:

Anna Veith: Formerly Anna Fenninger. Coming back from 2 full seasons away really. She's not really at full strength yet, but getting there.

Lara Gut, Switzerland: Tore her ACL last February during World Champs, but coming back as well. Also still not back, but like Goggia she's a fighter. If there's a place where she's going to cement her comeback, it's here. Also, she's the reigning bronze medalist (both gold medalists from Sochi have retired)

Michelle Gisin, Switzerland: tech skier who randomly became really good at speed while training for the combined. Her older sister Dominique was one of two gold medalists in this event in 2014, so she'll want to keep gold in the family.


Men's Super G:

Aksel Lund Svindal

Kjetil Jansrud

Hannes Reichelt





I'd say Reichelt is more likely to win the Super G than the downhill this year. He's been really, really good in this discipline and I feel like he's won some poo poo this year.

Other notables:

Max Franz - Austria: He's been doing well in Super G, but can be pretty hit-or-miss.

Alexis Pinturault - France: the dark horse pick. The downhill looks so super technical, I'd bet a tech skier who's decent at speed could actually do really well, and Alexis Pinturault fits that description perfectly.


Women's Super G

Lindsey Vonn

Sofia Goggia

Anna Veith





Definitely a favourite in the Super G. She won a couple of Super Gs this year, her first podiums after coming back from injury, including one just before the Olympics. She's also the defending gold medalist in this event.

OH gently caress I forgot to add Tina Weirather to the Super G favourites:

Tina Weirather - Liechtenstein





Last year's crystal globe winner in Super G, she's definitely a threat. I'm picking her for gold in SG in Fantasy Ski Racer. She was injured forever, and kind of flies under the radar. Prepare for the announcers to mention her dad (Harti Weirather) a million times, even though she has long since eclipsed anything he's done. She's had such a ridiculous number of injuries (including hurting herself in a training run at Sochi and missing the races there) that I seriously hope she medals.

Other Notables

Lara Gut: same as before. She will come out as hard as she can, and she has the ability to absolutely lay one down.

Nicole Schmidhofer - Austria: Current world champion in this event. Consistency used to be her downfall, but she's been a lot better this year, and I wouldn't be surprised to see her on the podium.

Federica Brignone - Italy: very good technician who moved into Super G and had a ton of success last year, and a taste of it this year. She could definitely come out and put down a good performance, especially given her experience.

Ragnhild Mowinckle - Norway: The dark horse pick. She seriously upped her game this year and has been in the 3rd-7th range in tons of races this year, after being regularly around 8th-12th all of last year. Got her first ever podium a few weeks ago and is taking a ton of confidence into these games.


Hookshot posted:

Men's Giant Slalom

Marcel Hirscher - Austria





The loving boss. He just is. He's won the overall crystal globe 6 times in a row, the first person to ever do that in this sport. He's a master in GS, though not quite as dominant as he is in slalom. But I think he's won all the GS races this year except one maybe? Also he broke his ankle in August and basically got no off-season training and is still slaughtering everyone left right and center. Absolutely, 100% the favourite going into this.

Alexis Pinturault -





He's been second to Hirscher a lot over the years, but has also beaten him a number of times. If anyone can get him at the Olympics, it'll be Pinturault. I think it was this year he beat the record for most wins ever by a French ski racer. There was a stretch of about 30 GS races a few years ago where every single giant slalom race there was at least one of Hirscher, Pinturault or Ligety on the podium.

Henrik Kristoffersen -





At 22, he's quite young, but has an impressive resume (youngest ever male slalom medalist at the Olympics for one, in Sochi). He's not entirely comfortable in GS, but is still a podium threat every time. Hirscher is getting to him though, he had a full-on temper tantrum in the finish after Hischer beat him for the like seventh time in a row this year. I don't think he'll win gold, but he definitely has a shot.

Other notables:

Ted Ligety: coming back from like two years of injury, Ted has shown flashes of brilliance, but I wouldn't call him a favourite by any stretch. Ted was also a genius on the 35m radius skis, but as of this year FIS lowered the radius for men to 30m/193cm (which is loving stupid because women are still on 30m too and I so badly want to go down to 27) and so making the skis for men easier to turn is an advantage to everyone else. I highly doubt you'll see him on the podium, let alone defending his gold.

Manuel Feller - Austria: He's either going to finish on the podium or DNF, calling it now. This guy is basically the male equivalent of Sofia Goggia; he gets loving sendy every single time down the course. He's super entertaining to watch.

Matts Olson - Sweden: He's quietly been doing ok. Nothing super remarkable, but also nothing especially bad, don't be surprised if he's in the top ranks.



Women's Giant Slalom

There are three women here who almost certainly will finish first, second and third. The only question is who will do it in what order. I honestly have no idea. In Fantasy Ski Racer I have it going Worley, Shiffrin, Rebensburg, but who knows.

Mikaela Shiffrin - USA

see bawful's writeup. She got silver at world champs last year.

Tessa Worley - France





World champion in 2013 and 2017, she tore her ACL in December before the Sochi games. She took a little while to come back, but last year took the crystal globe in GS, and the world championship title, and has a couple wins this season as well. One of very, very few giant slalom specialists on the world cup tour.

Viktoria Rebensburg - Germany





Gold medalist in this event in 2010, bronze medalist in 2014, and winner of multiple world cups this season - by big margins, too. She knows how to win at the Olympics, and she knows how to win in GS. On the top of her game in this discipline right now.

Other notables

Federica Brignone: has an outside chance here as well, GS is really her discipline.

Ragnhild Mowinckle: has been creeping up the ranks in GS as well and has some good results this year, tons of confidence here as well.

That's really it. I honestly would be very surprised if it's not a Worley/Shiffrin/Rebensburg podium. They're all on top of their game in GS right now, and they're all clutch skiers.



Men's Slalom

Marcel Hirscher: he wants this gold medal so bad, and honestly, he deserves it. He is without a doubt the best slalom skier in the world right now. He is loving incredible, and when you watch him, know that you are watching one of the men who will go down in history as being the greatest ever, and the slalom is his best event. I think he's the reigning silver medalist from Sochi.

Henrik Kristoffersen: Also wants this super bad. Reigning bronze medalist from Sochi, he was the youngest ever male medalist in this event when he won that one. Hirscher vs. Kristoffersen, the Olympic version, should be amazing.

Michael Matt





Younger brother to Mario Matt, the reigning Olympic gold medalist in this discipline who has now since retired. He's been super good this year, and I think is the biggest threat to Hirscher or Kristoffersen, the two biggest favourites.

Other notables:

Andre Myhrer - Sweden: The Swede has had a very good season thus far. Been on a few podiums, although Hirscher and Kristoffersen have (I think) won every slalom race this year except Levi, which Felix Neureuther won just a week or so before tearing his ACL.

Daniel Yule - Switzerland: He's had a breakout year with some top finishes and I could see him being a podium finisher for sure.



Women's Slalom

Mikaela Shiffrin - see bawful's writeup. It will be an enormous upset if she doesn't win gold here. That said, it's not like there's no one else here who knows how to slalom, Shiffrin is just that good.

Frida Hansdotter -





Has played second fiddle to Shiffrin for years, but is an excellent slalom skier in her own right. She hasn't been as consistently second as she used to be a few years ago, but is still a very strong contender for a medal.

Petra Vlhova - Slovakia





Young up-and-comer who's really burst onto the scene in a big way the last couple years. Definitely a medal threat, and one of only three athletes (I think) to beat Shiffrin the last couple years (Hansdotter and Wendy Holdener being the others).

Wendy Holdener - Switzerland





She's been around for a while but really broke out a couple years back and is now a regular podium threat.

The podium here will almost certainly be made up of three of these four women, but in slalom especially, anything can happen because it's a game of millimeters and straddles are a common thing. You're only ever inches away from a DNF.

Other notables:

Nina Haver-Loseth - Norway: She was really good last year, but got married this summer and hasn't really had as much success this year. These two things are obviously related, so never get married.

Bernadette Schild - Austria: Her older sister Marlies, a slalom legend, finished second to Shiffrin in 2014. She's been hanging out just outside the podium, and should finish relatively well.

bawfuls fucked around with this message at Feb 13, 2018 around 05:40

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Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

action duck


u jerk I just opened a general ski chat for this

(seriously though I can close it, specialized threads are way better)

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

VIVA PUIG


Chokes McGee posted:

u jerk I just opened a general ski chat for this

(seriously though I can close it, specialized threads are way better)
It's ok cause no one cares about alpine ski racing anyway

pork never goes bad
May 16, 2008

gin&milk!!!


This is pretty cool. Have you guys seen the NYT stuff?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...ine-skiing.html

There's some other disciplines too, whatever

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

VIVA PUIG


pork never goes bad posted:

This is pretty cool. Have you guys seen the NYT stuff?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...ine-skiing.html

There's some other disciplines too, whatever
That's great #content and I'm adding it to the OP thanks!

Kazak_Hstan
Apr 28, 2014



Downhill skiing is the coolest and best sport in the Olympics, summer or winter.

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005



If anyone has any questions about the sport please ask away. I've been a ski racer for a few years now, I compete in every discipline, and I actually know a handful of the athletes at the games. I've trained with two of them, one of them is from Alberta (competing for Eritrea) so I see him at basically every competition, and I've trained next to a ton of world cup athletes in New Zealand.

Mikaela Shiffrin is seriously the nicest person. She also waits her turn in the lift line, whereas Lindsey Vonn cuts in front of everyone.


edit: and if anyone wants to know what the best ski racing instagram account to follow is, it's hands down @slalomtokyodrift

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bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

VIVA PUIG


HookShot posted:

Mikaela Shiffrin is seriously the nicest person. She also waits her turn in the lift line, whereas Lindsey Vonn cuts in front of everyone.
I should just replace the OP with this honestly

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005



bawfuls posted:

I should just replace the OP with this honestly

It's the most important metric as to whether or not someone is a gigantic douchebag.

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005



Also I didn't do a writeup about the Alpine Combined because the first run is already over, but there is no loving way Hirscher doesn't win it. Only 1.3 seconds back after the downhill, Pinturault is behind him, not a chance. He'd have to straddle and DNF to lose.

I'm putting Pinturault for silver and Innerhoffer for bronze.

10pm PST (in 5 minutes) to watch the greatest slalom skier in the world destroy a bunch of downhillers.

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Kazak_Hstan
Apr 28, 2014



Bode miller is a good commenter.

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

VIVA PUIG


Kazak_Hstan posted:

Bode miller is a good commenter.

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005



Women's Slalom - Run 1 at 9:15pm EST, Run 2 at 12:45am (14th) EST

If you're on the east coast and just want a glimpse at the best female skier in the world right now, tune in to run 1. Shiffrin has bib three, in slalom in the first run the best go first, so the ladies with the first 7 bibs are the 7 best slalom skiers (bibs among them are picked by random draw).

In the second run, the top 30 go in reverse order, so the 30th person to go was the winner of the first run. It makes the end of the race very exciting, and I definitely recommend watching if you're willing/able to stay up that late.

Yuns
Aug 19, 2000
Old Man of the Forums

I have to defend Vonn because she has been really awesome to one of our young ski racers on our local team who has been battling brain cancer.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

action duck


bawfuls posted:

It's ok cause no one cares about alpine ski racing anyway

I care, OP. I care.

OMGVBFLOL
Dec 20, 2003


HookShot posted:

Mikaela Shiffrin is seriously the nicest person. She also waits her turn in the lift line, whereas Lindsey Vonn cuts in front of everyone.

if this is true im bummed as hell. god dammit lindsey

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005



OMGVBFLOL posted:

if this is true im bummed as hell. god dammit lindsey

Its literallt first hand experience, I spent two of the last three summers in NZ at the same time as the US team. Mikaela actually joined me on the tbar one time too instead of always going up with her coach/team which is just so super nice/humble compared to what she could do. No one would blame her for not wanting to go up the tbar with randoms, but she definitely did it constantly.

But yeah Lindsey cut the line every single time. She was nice enough to forerun one of our races though a couple years back.

Kazak_Hstan
Apr 28, 2014



when i become a world famous ski racer i will wait in line like a civilized person

bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m
Apr 16, 2017

Í̝̰ ͓̯̖̫̹̯̤A҉m̺̩͝ ͇̬A̡̮̞̠͚͉̱̫ K̶e͓ǵ.̻̱̪͖̹̟̕


When do I get to watch the guy from Fort McMurray, Alberta Eritrea ski poorly?

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005



bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:

When do I get to watch the guy from Fort McMurray, Alberta Eritrea ski poorly?
I'm pretty sure Shannaconda is doing the GS and SL, so the 18th and 22nd local time, so the nights of the 17th and 21st here. I don't know if he's doing the Super G, but he's definitely not doing the downhill.

wyoak
Feb 14, 2005

a glass case of emotion


Fallen Rib

I begrudge no one who wants to skip lift lines, most of my days on the mountain are spent planning how to minimize my time in them

Also Vonn spent a bunch of her life skiing in Vail so I especially understand wanting to skip lift lines

OMGVBFLOL
Dec 20, 2003


shes a professional

she can just go on weekdays

OMGVBFLOL
Dec 20, 2003


i lived in breckenridge for two seasons and i never cared about waiting in line because i never rode on weekends while the gapers and their families were there

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005



Also when I say "lift line" I'm talking like 10 people max waiting for a t-bar, all of whom are ski racers and so know what they're doing and aren't going to fall over and need to try again.

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

VIVA PUIG


Cutting a 10-person t-bar line on a race training course in New Zealand is some peak privileged poo poo. It's not even saving her much time, it's just a "gently caress you I'm a Big Deal" move.

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005



I swear they must have changed the time because I cannot have been dumb enough to read :45 as :15, but the women's slalom run 1 is now at 8:45pm EST and run 2 is at 11:45pm EST

Argus Zant
Nov 18, 2012

Wer ist bereit zu tanzen?


HookShot posted:

I swear they must have changed the time because I cannot have been dumb enough to read :45 as :15, but the women's slalom run 1 is now at 8:45pm EST and run 2 is at 11:45pm EST

You're not losing your eyesight. They've pushed the times back because of the weather again. God willingly, the FIS will actually loving listen to the goddamned athletes this time and not make people compete in bullshit conditions again.

e: and would you look at that, now they're not starting until 2145 EST

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jamal
Apr 15, 2003

I'll set the building on fire

Can't wait. Don't ski out Shiffrin. And Vonn was fast this season, I think she's got a good chance.

And oh man was Hirsher's slalom run last night good. I suppose it stood out more because he was mixed in with a bunch of DH racers but he ripped the poo poo out of that course.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHhGSPVtKJQ

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Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



https://twitter.com/DanHicksNBC/sta...597897521614848

they just can't catch a break

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005



The wind is supposed to die out tonight for good, so this should hopefully be the last event postponed.

bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m
Apr 16, 2017

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Just watching people try to ski these courses and the slopestyle event on snowboard has given me mad respect from anybody from the ice coast who has to ski manmade snow all year.

frankenfreak
Feb 16, 2007

Coming from the deeps of the Frankenwald to haunt you

HookShot posted:

The wind is supposed to die out tonight for good, so this should hopefully be the last event postponed.
I hope so. Not only do I want to see the races, but the alpine skiing was already tight to begin with.

davebo
Nov 15, 2006

Parallel lines do meet, but they do it incognito

College Slice

bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:

Just watching people try to ski these courses and the slopestyle event on snowboard has given me mad respect from anybody from the ice coast who has to ski manmade snow all year.

We appreciate that. Although we still pine for powder.

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005



Men's downhill and women's giant slalom is on today and will likely actually happen.

Women's GS Run 1 starts at 8pm EST.

Men's Downhill begins at 9:30pm EST

Women's GS Run 2 starts at 11:45pm EST



Run 2 will be run in reverse order for the top 30, so the 30th person on course will have been the winner of the first run. The women's GS is, IMO, going to be the most exciting event, as unlike every single other event, doesn't actually have one real favourite, but three solid medal favourites, any of whom could end up on the top step of the podium.

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ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

put clinton in prison imo


Lipstick Apathy

That aerial shot of the giant slalom, literally sliding down a mountain

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004



is bode miiller showing jay cutler levels of care

Kazak_Hstan
Apr 28, 2014



HookShot posted:

Men's downhill and women's giant slalom is on today and will likely actually happen.

Women's GS Run 1 starts at 8pm EST.

Men's Downhill begins at 9:30pm EST

Women's GS Run 2 starts at 11:45pm EST



Run 2 will be run in reverse order for the top 30, so the 30th person on course will have been the winner of the first run. The women's GS is, IMO, going to be the most exciting event, as unlike every single other event, doesn't actually have one real favourite, but three solid medal favourites, any of whom could end up on the top step of the podium.

How do you feel about this GS course, you werent wild about the diwnhill.

Kazak_Hstan
Apr 28, 2014



I just want to throw it out there, it might be her husbands fault

lol bode

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

put clinton in prison imo


Lipstick Apathy

I think I can hear the weird north korean cheersquad in the background of the commentary.

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HookShot
Dec 26, 2005



Kazak_Hstan posted:

How do you feel about this GS course, you werent wild about the diwnhill.

It's actually super good. There's a ton of microterrain that they really would have needed to catch in inspection, that's really catching a few of them out, it's got a good steep section, and some flats. It's everything a good, challenging GS course should be.

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