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FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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Bulkiest Toaster posted:

based on hip hop ghetto black values and the knockout game
:yikes:

Please source your review if it comes from Reddit/4chan

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FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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McCloud posted:

Can we talk about about how convoluted Killmongers plan was for a second?
It's literally Use Klaue to discredit T'chala and ingratiate himself with Wakandans

I think people are making it more convoluted by assuming the things that happened were strictly to plan rather than a rough sequence of events.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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Your analysis has a good kernel of idea. There is an opposition of blackness present in the film, and largely American Urbanism comes off poorly because it isn't the result of a magical technoutopia.

When you drop the poo poo about hip hop ghetto culture, you lose the thread because Erik's mannerisms reflect rhat but his personal accomplishments paint the picture of someone that could have been successful were it not for his revenge obsession. It's his militancy, and reliance on western ideas of cultural conquest that are the problem.

His die free vs live as a slave bit is oblivious to the massive negative results his revolution would cause.


Anyway, random thought. With the revelation that Wakandian spies are embedded all over the place does that cast the aide workers in the attack in Civil War in a different light??

FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Feb 18, 2018

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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Tsyni posted:

I am...a bit confused about the positive reception to this movie.
It's a fairly standard superhero story, yeah.

But its also a AAA High Profile film that unabashedly celebrates Afrocentrism. Black audiences usually have to settle for the latest Tyler Perry effort to see something marketed for them, so this is somewhat of an event film.

(Yeah there's some problems with its implications of Black American Culture that critics have picked up on).

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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ungulateman posted:

the distinction between brainwashing as a chemical, physical effect and brainwashing as ideology is basically non-existent, imo

Reducing Killmonger's outlook to brainwashing is kind of offensive dude.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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Snowman_McK posted:

Supporting black film makers by praising them for making bland, forgettable but adequate films is not...anything that should be encouraged.
Yes but when did Tyler Perry come into the convo??? :confused:

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Fair. I'll qualify that with "Tyler Perry's Medeaverse movies"

FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 07:30 on Apr 1, 2018

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Sep 30, 2002

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SuperMechagodzilla posted:

Of course there are other black heroes, films, directors... but whites don’t like those. They weren’t good enough. They weren’t popular-profitable enough.
Outside of, like, Meteorman or Blankman, the closest Big AA Hero film is likely Blade. That film has the benefit of providing us a look at the between-worlds experience of AA and mixed race AAs in the U.S. the inability to live fully in either world (as emphasized by his use of serum) creates a situation where the hero never fully finds a place to exist.

BP is unapologetically Afrocentric in a way that hasn't been seen or attempted in popular media to this scale. The crossover success is validation because of normalizing effects, and the financial success rebuts the talking point that those films aren't of value to a film company.

But the inclination to deligitimize the importance of the film or reduce the achievement of the director is dishearenting. Linda Rondstat's 'Canciones de mi Padre' wasnt hailed by a generation of Mexican Americans because of its technical innovation, but because it created cultural validity.
There's also an uncomfortable subtext where the director created something of significance, but because it was genre work it is somehow a less valid achievement

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

Unapologetic Intersectional Afrofuturistic Synergy With DisneyCorp and Northrup Grumman
Are you suggesting that ONLY Eurocentric nations can have finely tuned military industrial complexes?

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

I don't think you're quite grasping the nature of my disgust, but let's move on.
Do we discount Ellen's coming out moment or Roseanne's inclusion of nonhetero characters as well because they were on ABC???

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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No really, it's surprising that Zuri outright interferes in a deathblow and the match isn't called in favor of Erik right there.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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There's been lots of praise for its design work, the prominence of its female leads (as well as the fact the cast isnt some shade of Beyonce pale), and the antagonist's complexity.

Cant say much to its cinematography, fight choreography, or CGI quality though.

Hell, I'll throw in the fact that the opening is N'jobu retelling Wakanda's mythology to Erik as being particularly inventive. Thats a clever touch.

FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Apr 3, 2018

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FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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SuperMechagodzilla posted:

I’d say Black Panther is best read as a Borat-esque satire of the poo poo you can get away with by pretending to be Foreign.

Everyone look at this plebe who didnt get that Black Panther was a modernist technoutopian take on Uncle Tom's Cabin. :3:

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