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Cowcaster posted:i’m not an expert on warhammer and especially not an expert on warhammer fantasy but i’m pretty sure if you point at any faction and say “they’re the good guys!” you’ve hosed up somewhere that said, when you’re pulling names like THE GOD OF VIOLENT BLOODSHED and saying “yes but also he’s the god of honorable combat” and THE GOD OF ALL DISEASE “but he’s also the god of life it’s just also cancer is life” you’ve hosed up on the level of women marrying imprisoned serial killers
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Bussamove posted:The random barks are more Khorne-like but Blightstormers and Halescourge in particular are very Nurgle-- so happy and joyous about the disease they're giving you as a gift. Oh yeah, that's true, but I did have a moment the first time a berserker jumped at me with two axes hollering incoherently where I was like "wait, hang on, shouldn't you be wearing red my dude?"
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Mar 30, 2018 00:09
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Mar 30, 2018 00:11
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Fantasy's thing is more that while the Empire has a bunch of bad elements to it, they're just kind of normal, human bad things like corruption or the politically powerful taking everything for themselves, rather than 'man we sure do love torturing everyone to death and exploding all reality'.
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Mar 30, 2018 00:15
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also i have yet to see a single halfling
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Mar 30, 2018 00:17
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Cowcaster posted:also i have yet to see a single halfling Much like Lord of the Rings, they stay in the
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Mar 30, 2018 00:18
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Taffer posted:I play elf, I know I'm the baddie 
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Mar 30, 2018 00:21
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Daeren posted:Much like Lord of the Rings, they stay in the plus you can pick one up with a treeman and peg your friend’s star amazon with it causing a permanent injury and eventually leading to her getting knocked out of the tournament
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Mar 30, 2018 00:21
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I only played chaos in 40k.
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Mar 30, 2018 00:27
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I had a metal dragon that would fly around and make the other guy shake his head disaprovingly
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Mar 30, 2018 00:28
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I also made a cool demon prince with a hammer for my hq
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haldolium posted:Hm I found the patch really interesting so far. 
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Mar 30, 2018 00:32
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Only recently got this so I wasnt an expert before but the elf spear feels incredible now. Probably helps that her +power talent actually works too.
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Mar 30, 2018 00:45
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:Also GW writers ditched the more nuanced nature of the chaos gods a while ago so they often just come up as typical war/magic/disease/pleasure gods Its too bad they did (and nuked all of the Old World but thats beside the point), because the chaos gods being basically primal, human forces made them more interesting. Khorne is not all blood, slaughter and madness, he is also defending the weak, heroism and martial prowess; Slaanesh is not just about orgies and rape, but also beauty, the urge to strive for perfection and art. Tzeencth represented cleverness, new ways of thinking and inventiveness. Now its just "Yeah, he is super stoked about blood and skulls while she/he/it loves dicks, titties and drugs".
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Mar 30, 2018 00:58
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I played my first Legend just now. This also marked the first time my game has locked up and crashed, halfway through the mission.
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Mar 30, 2018 01:02
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i get where you’re coming from, i do, it’s nice to have complexity and nuance to poo poo, that’s what makes things interesting. but arguing about the nuance of CHAOS GODS designed to be the settings (ultimately successful) TOTAL DESTRUCTORS seems really, really, really, dumb
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Mar 30, 2018 01:03
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They are definitely the baddies but the old, nuanced view of them gave them a bit of "humanity and its vices created these things" rather than "the world is hosed because malevolent forces created these vices".
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Mar 30, 2018 01:11
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BombiTheZombie posted:They are definitely the baddies but the old, nuanced view of them gave them a bit of "humanity and its vices created these things" rather than "the world is hosed because malevolent forces created these vices". i mean “the elves were so loving elvish that they hosed each other until it exploded and spawned a new chaos god of its own volition” seems a teachable lesson but i draw that from 40k i don’t know if it’s the same in fantasy
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Mar 30, 2018 01:15
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The nice thing about a nuanced view is that it answers the question of 'why the gently caress would anyone ever sign up for this.' It should not, however, be used to turn the bad guys into the good guys. That's also dull.
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Mar 30, 2018 01:19
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Mendrian posted:The nice thing about a nuanced view is that it answers the question of 'why the gently caress would anyone ever sign up for this.' It should not, however, be used to turn the bad guys into the good guys. That's also dull. Exactly, no one but cartoon supervillains would sign up for a god that turns your arms into razorbladed dicks and your face into a vagina. However, if you start out by being a great artist looking for perfection and slowly slip into losing yourself to the point of giving up everything for that goal, it makes it more sympathetic and human.
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Mar 30, 2018 01:26
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i think what i’m trying to get at, directed at no one in particular, is that the warhammer universe is one metaphorically designed by a 15 year old kid with a notebook of all his SUPER COOLEST MEGA AWESOME IDEAS EVER FOR COOL FANTASY that got turned into a game setting. ascribing narrative depth to it isn’t improbable, poo poo somehow transformers remains a multimillion multimedia franchise to this day, but it feels really self-indulgent and misguided
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Cowcaster posted:i think what i’m trying to get at, directed at no one in particular, is that the warhammer universe is one metaphorically designed by a 15 year old kid with a notebook of all his SUPER COOLEST MEGA AWESOME IDEAS EVER FOR COOL FANTASY that got turned into a game setting. ascribing narrative depth to it isn’t improbable, poo poo somehow transformers remains a multimillion multimedia franchise to this day, but it feels really self-indulgent and misguided I used to say the same thing about the Witcher but here we are three games later. EDIT: I mean Geralt is literally a character a junior would draw on the back of his geometery notebook, along with, KILLS MONSTERS and LOVES TITTIES.
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Mar 30, 2018 01:30
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See, my thing about both the Fantasy and the 40k setting is the weird depth and sperg-level details that are cheeky or interesting. Things like the Ork's psychic stuff, or the book of grudges, or the Bretonnian religion being a farce There's a few detailed things that are so hosed up, they rise above the generic source material into really scary good
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Mar 30, 2018 01:32
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Mendrian posted:I used to say the same thing about the Witcher but here we are three games later. i mean, you’re not wrong. have you read the books? because you’re not far off. for some bizarre reason the writers at cdprojektred managed to turn a couple of short stories about WHAT IF FAIRY TALES, BUT DARK into one of the best written videogames i’ve ever played
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Mar 30, 2018 01:36
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Geralt's design was always super lame. Someone read the Dragonlance D&D books and decided Raistlin (gold eyes, pale skin, white hair) would be cooler with SWORDS AND SCARS. And they made it work because it's probably the best game ever made.
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Firstborn posted:See, my thing about both the Fantasy and the 40k setting is the weird depth and sperg-level details that are cheeky or interesting. Things like the Ork's psychic stuff, or the book of grudges, or the Bretonnian religion being a farce I gotta admit, psychic groupthink is a pretty awesome concept. For those uninitiated, ork technology just.... doesn't.... work, from a logical standpoint. Their equipment makes no sense and tends to fall apart the instant any non-ork tries to use it, or at least quickly thereafter. It was eventually discovered (in the lore, I dunno if the characters in-universe ever actually figure this out) that orks are low-level, passive psychics whose abilities affect the world around them. Simply put, ork technology works the way it does because they THINK it should work. And that makes it work. Hence, stuff like painting a vehicle red to make it go faster.
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ok look i get we’re talking a lot of gibberish here about an invented world where rules are only explicitly defined by the rulebook that governs them, but the reason red ones go faster is because red ones go faster geez get your heads on straight
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Mar 30, 2018 03:00
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Wait is the patch that fixes the talents live now or is it still in beta phase? I got 3 chars to lv30 but i always play with my friend who hosts and only now i'm realizing that poo poo pops up in the bottom left hand corner of the screen when its working, i.e. when you host. Still can't believe how much poo poo isn't working right haha never seen a game in this state for a long rear end time.
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you literally cannot beat festering grounds if you're playing as slayer with bots important thing to keep in mind
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Tom Gorman posted:you literally cannot beat festering grounds if you're playing as slayer with bots You can hit every single buboe with melee.
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:You can hit every single buboe with melee. I failed at this then.  How do you get the ones on the ceiling?
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Mar 30, 2018 03:26
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Tom Gorman posted:I failed at this then. Jump
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Ammanas posted:Jump I'm bad then, there was one I was 100% sure couldn't be hit. Strike my statement I guess.
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BombiTheZombie posted:Exactly, no one but cartoon supervillains would sign up for a god that turns your arms into razorbladed dicks and your face into a vagina. However, if you start out by being a great artist looking for perfection and slowly slip into losing yourself to the point of giving up everything for that goal, it makes it more sympathetic and human. Uhm, sign me up. That sounds awesome.
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Backhand posted:I gotta admit, psychic groupthink is a pretty awesome concept. There was a funny story where an Ork picked up a can with a loose screw rolling around in it or something, and when he shook it, he thought it sounded like a rad machinegun. He killed like 4 guardsman with it, shooting actual bullets E: Also, since apparently Saltz's 10% attack speed trait is working now, and attack speed is super good, is that better than the crit chance for him? I'm also assuming the 15% power w/ a grimoire is better than the 25% headshot damage, considering crit damage is really low or something and 25% is actually an effective 2.5% or some bullshit. I'm not sure what talents are best for WHC.
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So I got a grudgeraker with the gain ammo on crits and when I run around bashing a horde I don't really get all my ammo back. Does the weapon also need crit on it?
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Mar 30, 2018 05:58
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Tenzarin posted:So I got a grudgeraker with the gain ammo on crits and when I run around bashing a horde I don't really get all my ammo back. Does the weapon also need crit on it? Base crit is a whopping 5%.
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Ran 3 champion games on the new beta build with a really good group as IB with axe+shield. The boss taunt working is so loving huge because thats 10 seconds + initial stun of getting the boss off your DPS. We did halescourge and my boss taunt actually worked on burble which was awesome.
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Thanks! The entire setting is stupidly grimdark, but I'm still intrigued it, especially the concept of chaos. It seems idiotic to worship the Chaos gods and risk the destruction of the physical world, but I guess it has to be seen as a form of madness, an influence that is very hard to resist once you are targeted. Also puts a character like Saltzpyre into perspective, when you consider the consequences of 'heresy'.
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