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A human heart
Oct 10, 2012



Let's talk about Sutcliffe Jugend. Obviously the early stuff kills(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cADXUdtTX6Y) and helped set the template for PE in general but I've been listening to a lot of their more recent work and its impressive how much musical range there is. Like Blue Rabbit is basically a spoken word album with unsettling autoharp noises behind it(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTnHQ2FAIP4), Shame from last year wasn't too far from drone metal on the title track(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQvdVfGhIHY) and there's a 6cd instrumental release that i haven't even touched yet. Not all of the new releases are great but there's some very high quality material overall I think. The lyrics seem to be getting better but also more spiteful as Tomkins gets older too.

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Dyna Soar
Nov 30, 2006


i was a fan of bodychoke for ages before i actually checked out sutcliffe jugend. their early stuff is great and i'm really digging some newer songs i listened to on spotify this spring. i really should do a discography run.

here's what i've been jamming: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q92QibNpb0A

peter sotos from whitehouse compiled a tape of abuse victim interviews. produced by steve albini! it's horrible

Robokomodo
Nov 11, 2009


I turn on my copy of G.R. By Deathpile whenever my neighbors feel like playing reggae or mumble rap really loud. It’s some dude screaming Gary Ridgway (Green River Killer) quotes over power electronics for 40 minutes. It’s great.

You can too! Whole album:
https://youtu.be/JT4rHPqf47A

Robokomodo fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Jun 21, 2018

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012



I always thought it was cool that Deathpile basically did an american take on the comedy aspects of Whitehouse/Sutcliffe Jugend, but the actual noise on G.R. is a bit too monotonous, just low end with not much variation. iirc some of his other releases are more varied soundwise.

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012



Did you guys know the UK is making some cool stuff at the moment. For example, Am Not kicks rear end and I can't wait to see what he comes up with next https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-2_t-_Y2B8

Psychedelius
Apr 24, 2010



yeah i found about him through tesco organisation who still frequently release great stuff. they put out a collection of unreleased anenzephalia live recordings recently that I've been enjoying: https://tescogermany.bandcamp.com/album/magenta

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012



Psychedelius posted:

yeah i found about him through tesco organisation who still frequently release great stuff. they put out a collection of unreleased anenzephalia live recordings recently that I've been enjoying: https://tescogermany.bandcamp.com/album/magenta

I can't get into anenzephalia for some reason, even though i like genocide organ. a lot of that german heavy electronics stuff is very hit and miss for me even when its well executed and i don't really know why. have you heard Ke/hil? that's another sideproject from genocide organ/anenzephalia guys and i liked it a bit more

Psychedelius
Apr 24, 2010



A human heart posted:

I can't get into anenzephalia for some reason, even though i like genocide organ. a lot of that german heavy electronics stuff is very hit and miss for me even when its well executed and i don't really know why. have you heard Ke/hil? that's another sideproject from genocide organ/anenzephalia guys and i liked it a bit more

i have not, although its the exact same lineup that i saw them perform as under the anenzephalia name a few years ago. i couldnt really get into most of their records either but i really enjoyed their live set and the recording i posted captures that sound more closely than their other releases.

i mentioned facialmess before itt who is now retiring that moniker and recording and performing new material as LIKE WEEDS. only demos for now but it sounds promising to me: https://soundcloud.com/dub-specialist-1

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012



Psychedelius posted:

i mentioned facialmess before itt who is now retiring that moniker and recording and performing new material as LIKE WEEDS. only demos for now but it sounds promising to me: https://soundcloud.com/dub-specialist-1

Sounds like he's going for a slower more brooding sound, with field recordings and stuff? sounds cool. What's a good facialmess to check out by the way because I've only heard pig hydraulics.

Psychedelius
Apr 24, 2010



there are 2 collections of his last few tapes on spotify of all places. some of those tracks are already halfway to what he's doing now and i like those a lot.

Hate Fibration
Apr 8, 2013

FLÄSHYN!

I recently finished Fight Your Own War and it was really neat and got me listening to PE and Noise again. I've mostly just been listening to old Macronympha tracks, lots of Government Alpha, and IRM.

I basically took a break from really following new releases in 2012, when Aaron Dilloway, Wolf Eyes, etc were making a huge mess. Has there been anything really interesting lately? Burning Star Core was always a favorite of mine, but it seems like most of the groups I really liked aren't super active anymore.

Hate Fibration fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Aug 7, 2018

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012



Hate Fibration posted:

I recently finished Fight Your Own War and it was really neat and got me listening to PE and Noise again. I've mostly just been listening to old Macronympha tracks, lots of Government Alpha, and IRM.

I basically took a break from really following new releases in 2012, when Aaron Dilloway, Wolf Eyes, etc were making a huge mess. Has there been anything really interesting lately? Burning Star Core was always a favorite of mine, but it seems like most of the groups I really liked aren't super active anymore.

imo there's basically always interesting stuff coming out but its hard to keep track of all of it because of how diffuse the scene is, so you kinda just have to follow people you already know and hope you hear about other stuff somewhere. Just in terms of newish acts I like, Linekraft, Military Position, Worth, Jaako Vanhala, Am Not and Antichildleague are all worth checking out. lots of long running projects are still doing good stuff too, like for example most of the finnish big names, Bizarre Uproar, Grunt, etc.

Hate Fibration
Apr 8, 2013

FLÄSHYN!

A human heart posted:

imo there's basically always interesting stuff coming out but its hard to keep track of all of it because of how diffuse the scene is, so you kinda just have to follow people you already know and hope you hear about other stuff somewhere. Just in terms of newish acts I like, Linekraft, Military Position, Worth, Jaako Vanhala, Am Not and Antichildleague are all worth checking out. lots of long running projects are still doing good stuff too, like for example most of the finnish big names, Bizarre Uproar, Grunt, etc.

Oh cool. So it seems like not much has changed. Looks like Kevin Drumm is still putting out work too! It's heartening that most of my old favorites are still active. I'm especially glad Balistreri/Slogun is still active, they've always been one of my favorite acts in PE by a really really wide margin.

I'm pretty sure Jaako Vanhala will be producing tracks when we are all dead. That dude is crazy prolific. I actually know him more for his Dark Ambient work though, surprisingly.

Radio Spiricom
Aug 17, 2009



Kevin Drumm puts new stuff on his bandcamp practically monthly

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012



Hate Fibration posted:

I'm pretty sure Jaako Vanhala will be producing tracks when we are all dead. That dude is crazy prolific. I actually know him more for his Dark Ambient work though, surprisingly.
He needs to get off his butt and put out more really good harsh noise!!

Radio Spiricom
Aug 17, 2009



Pan just announced a new Puce Mary LP for October

http://puce-mary.bandcamp.com/album/the-drought

Hate Fibration
Apr 8, 2013

FLÄSHYN!

Radio Spiricom posted:

Kevin Drumm puts new stuff on his bandcamp practically monthly

Yaaaay!

A human heart posted:

He needs to get off his butt and put out more really good harsh noise!!

I swear to god, that man is a wizard when it comes to texture.

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012



if you wanted to stream the 20cd skin crime compilation, some of the best american harsh noise ever probably, then you're in luck because its on bandcamp now https://hospitalproductions.bandcamp.com/album/case-studies-in-early-taxidermy-techniques

Radio Spiricom
Aug 17, 2009



A human heart posted:

if you wanted to stream the 20cd skin crime compilation, some of the best american harsh noise ever probably, then you're in luck because its on bandcamp now https://hospitalproductions.bandcamp.com/album/case-studies-in-early-taxidermy-techniques

cool

Slothful Bong
Dec 2, 2018

Filling the Void with Chaos


Cross posting from the SDS thread, since it was recommended it would fit here:

Holy poo poo, just discovered Lingua Ignotia.

Its like a more organic, electroliturgical female Author&Punisher or something, have no idea how to classify it. Might not fit here, but there's some drone influence, lots of noise, and she toured with The Body.

And her backstory is insane, I'm not the right person to try to explain it, but Noisey did a decent article on her: https://noisey.vice.com/en_us/article/kzqzwn/lingua-ignotas-liturgical-noise-is-a-celebration-of-obliteration

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVGMJPQNZ34

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012



I wonder if some of the hype around Lingua Ignota comes from a general lack of familiarity with industrial/noise stuff? Like the material I've heard has been good, but not as mind blowing as the hype would suggest. The fact that it's not all noise all the time but has less harsh bits probably helps too I imagine.

Slothful Bong
Dec 2, 2018

Filling the Void with Chaos


Even from my super limited perspective of noise, I don't see her as a pinnacle of the genre or anything outstanding - but it's a genre I can only jive with when it's tangential to the music's focus. Not a knock against noise by any means, just not my personal preference.

The reason I'm so wowed by her is the raw intensity of what she's doing (along with being a trained vocalist), and that it's for her, not for us. That's a very hard thing to find much of any success from, so I'm fully behind anyone who makes it work.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot


A human heart posted:

I wonder if some of the hype around Lingua Ignota comes from a general lack of familiarity with industrial/noise stuff? Like the material I've heard has been good, but not as mind blowing as the hype would suggest. The fact that it's not all noise all the time but has less harsh bits probably helps too I imagine.

Women noise musicians have been really hot for a while. Pharmakon is an indie scene darling. The music is good, and yeah often there's more crossover appeal and genre-exploration, but I wonder if it might be because they interview so much better. Having this creepy bald dude talking about satanism or a japanese dude talking about bondage porn as a backdrop for their music is not with the times. Noise music also often expresses anger or despair; and I think as a culture we're kind of full up with angry depressed dudes.

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012



Biomute posted:

Women noise musicians have been really hot for a while. Pharmakon is an indie scene darling. The music is good, and yeah often there's more crossover appeal and genre-exploration, but I wonder if it might be because they interview so much better. Having this creepy bald dude talking about satanism or a japanese dude talking about bondage porn as a backdrop for their music is not with the times. Noise music also often expresses anger or despair; and I think as a culture we're kind of full up with angry depressed dudes.

It's certainly true that having a digestible to non noise people 'backstory' is helpful, although most of the examples I can think of are American so I think it might also have something to do with 'music journalism' being very US centric. Pharmakon(who I do think is very good and deserving of hype) has had pitchfork reviews for example, whereas Puce Mary for instance has much less acclaim in those circles.

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012



Slothful Bong posted:

Even from my super limited perspective of noise, I don't see her as a pinnacle of the genre or anything outstanding - but it's a genre I can only jive with when it's tangential to the music's focus. Not a knock against noise by any means, just not my personal preference.

The reason I'm so wowed by her is the raw intensity of what she's doing (along with being a trained vocalist), and that it's for her, not for us. That's a very hard thing to find much of any success from, so I'm fully behind anyone who makes it work.

I'm interested in what you mean by 'intensity' here, because we may be able to recommend you other stuff you would like!

Slothful Bong
Dec 2, 2018

Filling the Void with Chaos


A human heart posted:

I'm interested in what you mean by 'intensity' here, because we may be able to recommend you other stuff you would like!

That would be wonderful! If y'all can help me narrow down what works for me in noise, I can probably start understanding it better.

The intensity of the music (to me) is mostly centered around the dynamics, vocal breaking, and willingness to force disparate styles into a working whole that can still collapse into something entirely different at any moment, where you as the listener can only partially predict where it's going.

What actually partially led me to Lingua Ignota was Author & Punisher. His work is great, but it just felt like one level, one intensity, throughout everything he does. And the metal influences are cool, but I like ambient and weird droning music a shitton (Natural Snow Buildings is one of my faves from that area).

I guess what draws me to music currently is texture evolution, dissonance, bitcrushed and distorted drums, some idea of music theory (ie 45 minutes of blue or white noise is not cool to me), and willingness to not stick to one genre or style, but force whatever is taken into the themes of the music.

E: I also make dumb stoner metal and dumb electro/synthwave/ambient, so that heavily colors what I like and where I go musically. If I can find an idea/sound/concept I can take and use in my own music, I'm even happier!

E2: also, this is more on the metal side, but while I greatly respect the Body and have a couple of their splits with Thou, that kind of noise influence is not my thing. That's all guitars with no bass and way too much at the 2k Hz and up, drums with no top end and too much reverb, and chipmunk vocals.

Slothful Bong fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Jan 8, 2019

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot


Slothful Bong posted:

centered around the dynamics, vocal breaking, and willingness to force disparate styles into a working whole that can still collapse into something entirely different at any moment, where you as the listener can only partially predict where it's going.

I guess what draws me to music currently is texture evolution, dissonance, bitcrushed and distorted drums, some idea of music theory (ie 45 minutes of blue or white noise is not cool to me), and willingness to not stick to one genre or style, but force whatever is taken into the themes of the music.

Sounds like you'd probably like IDM/Experimental Electronic acts with a bit of a noise bent. Maybe something like Blanck Mass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afymin3h1mI

Slothful Bong
Dec 2, 2018

Filling the Void with Chaos


That's pretty cool, thanks! With that band in mind, are there any that are downtempo (maybe half to 1/4 speed) with potentially more circuit bending/weird noises?

I guess trip hop/glitch influenced noise or something? Is that a thing?

Like, I know some "industrial" influenced bands from the 90's-2000's (skinny puppy, einstürzende neubauten, Atari teenage riot, KMFDM, Throbbing Gristle, Laibach, pigface, etc), and my familiarity with noise is almost entirely focused around glitch and whatever the hell stuff like the drum bitcrush breakdown in NIN's the Great Destroyer is, where it's a deafening wall of effected drums that forms musical patterns through the distortion (glitch? Lol.)

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot


Slothful Bong posted:

That's pretty cool, thanks! With that band in mind, are there any that are downtempo (maybe half to 1/4 speed) with potentially more circuit bending/weird noises?

I guess trip hop/glitch influenced noise or something? Is that a thing?

Sure, experimental electronic is full of that stuff. So is a lot of modern ambient music. The degree of "noise" is debatable of course.

Andy Stott - Violence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL41EXic65g

Tim Hecker - The Piano Drop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKKqfQtqObo

Slothful Bong posted:

Like, I know some "industrial" influenced bands from the 90's-2000's (skinny puppy, einstürzende neubauten, Atari teenage riot, KMFDM, Throbbing Gristle, Laibach, pigface, etc), and my familiarity with noise is almost entirely focused around glitch and whatever the hell stuff like the drum bitcrush breakdown in NIN's the Great Destroyer is, where it's a deafening wall of effected drums that forms musical patterns through the distortion (glitch? Lol.)

It's cool. Industrial is great, and is having a little bit of a resurgence right now, usually centering around noise. There's a thread for that, but yeah:

PRURIENT - Dragonflies To Sew You Up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dgFykz0bNo

Youth Code - Consuming Guilt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO6RqjPrhgg


If you like that bit in The Great Destroyer, my guess is that it was inspired by this IDM classic:

Aphex Twin - Ventolin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFeUBOJgaLU

thotsky fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Jan 8, 2019

Grudgerm
May 4, 2012

by Reene


I recently unearthed the Italian noise cult band “Siggilum S”.
They’ve been making spacey industrial sub-noise since 1985 and who would of known
They’re still together!

I would describe their music as if Einstürzende Neubauten would attempt to make sounds
Relative to mid 70s Tangerine Dream

Here’s a few links to some of their albums

Boudoir Philoosphy
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R4MykS4GrnQ

Of Will
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aBJ6DAMQ7WI

Bardo Thos-Grol
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K4iDloZpSco

Slothful Bong
Dec 2, 2018

Filling the Void with Chaos


Biomute posted:

Lots of awesome music

This poo poo is extremely my jam, thank you!

Working through it all now - have a passing familiarity with Tim Hecker, sort of surprised now I hadn't given him a serious listen sooner now that I'm diving in.

AFX is a staple of my playlists, totally forgot about ventolin! And holy poo poo, the great destroyer part is nearly an effect-for-effect homage with louder drum samples.

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012



Slothful Bong posted:

That would be wonderful! If y'all can help me narrow down what works for me in noise, I can probably start understanding it better.

The intensity of the music (to me) is mostly centered around the dynamics, vocal breaking, and willingness to force disparate styles into a working whole that can still collapse into something entirely different at any moment, where you as the listener can only partially predict where it's going.

What actually partially led me to Lingua Ignota was Author & Punisher. His work is great, but it just felt like one level, one intensity, throughout everything he does. And the metal influences are cool, but I like ambient and weird droning music a shitton (Natural Snow Buildings is one of my faves from that area).

I guess what draws me to music currently is texture evolution, dissonance, bitcrushed and distorted drums, some idea of music theory (ie 45 minutes of blue or white noise is not cool to me), and willingness to not stick to one genre or style, but force whatever is taken into the themes of the music.

E: I also make dumb stoner metal and dumb electro/synthwave/ambient, so that heavily colors what I like and where I go musically. If I can find an idea/sound/concept I can take and use in my own music, I'm even happier!

E2: also, this is more on the metal side, but while I greatly respect the Body and have a couple of their splits with Thou, that kind of noise influence is not my thing. That's all guitars with no bass and way too much at the 2k Hz and up, drums with no top end and too much reverb, and chipmunk vocals.
A lot of the glitch stuff some other posters recommended is kind of coming at things from a different angle, like from other areas of electronic music. the term 'industrial' can also be a bit confusing if you're not familiar because, while that originally referred to experimental acts like throbbing gristle, SPK, nurse with wound and so on, it later came to be used to describe lots of more dancy gothy pop kind of stuff, which to me is mostly very bad music. having said that, here are some recommendations:
Iron Fist of the Sun: British power electronics act with a very distinctive, high tech take on the genre. lots of the sound used here seem like they're coming from an almost musique concrete background. lots of attention to detail in texture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my0Y2EViyYk

Grunt: one of the best known finnish power electronics acts, his recent material is always harsh but nevertheless has a great deal of attention to detail in terms of the composition https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4VjGaTn3Hs

Sewer Goddess: this project started off as one woman death industrial, and then for their second album they morphed into a full band line up playing music with a heavy doom influence. I actually think it's a bit too doomy but you'll probably like it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixibTPaHpJs

Xiphoid dementia: very underappreciated project with roots in power electronics and harsh noise but not really fitting clearly into either category. I particularly recommend the album 'Might is Blight' but that's not on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alF0UcbpkIw

Grim: cult Japanese industrial from the 80s, the project made a comeback a few years ago which i have mixed opinions on, but the 80s material is great and totally singular. often really bizarre combinations of sounds and styles but it ends up working extremely well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDli48wSQko
in terms of labels you might want to look at Malignant Records and No Rent(these guys are more on the harsh noise side of things but they've been focusing a lot recently on relatively composed sounding material with a heavy emphasis on texture). There are other projects that can be recommended too of course, depending on what you like, or don't like.

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012



Biomute posted:

PRURIENT - Dragonflies To Sew You Up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dgFykz0bNo

prurient is of course an essential name based on the quality of much of his earlier work and the importance of hospital, but these incredibly long albums he's been doing recently seem bad to me. just a mishmash of all the different styles he's used thrown together with about 2 minutes worth of thought. no surprise it got a glowing pitchfork review.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot


I am pretty new to him myself. Personally, I think it is interesting how noise/industrial is making inroads in the indie scene, from popping up in established genres like hip hop (Kanye West's Yeezus and Death Grips as a whole) or metal (The Body), to more accessible artists gaining some popularity (Prurient) or being adopted whole cloth (Pharmakon).

I am happy for Pitchfork to be writing about noise if it means there will be more shows I can go to.

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012



Biomute posted:

I am pretty new to him myself. Personally, I think it is interesting how noise/industrial is making inroads in the indie scene, from popping up in established genres like hip hop (Kanye West's Yeezus and Death Grips as a whole) or metal (The Body), to more accessible artists gaining some popularity (Prurient) or being adopted whole cloth (Pharmakon).

I am happy for Pitchfork to be writing about noise if it means there will be more shows I can go to.

well death grips is complete poo poo and i don't think yeezus has anything to do with noise as such so maybe those aren't the best examples to go with.. but wrt to pruient compare the track you linked to this and it's just night and day really https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7dpgYO251M.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot


Noise is a hard thing to define in my opinion, and easily confused with Industrial; hence thread title maybe. I think Yeezus ushered in or at the very least mainstreamed the adoption of a harsher noise/industrial aesthetic in popular music, even if I'm not a hiphop fan myself.

Recently, noise in the Merzbow tradition has not done it so much for me. I feel like as Ambient artists are increasingly exploring harsh soundscapes it's hard to compete with their superior production. The live aspect of something like a Lasse Marhaug show can still be fun, but as much fun as expert knob-twiddlers can be, the last big sort of non-industrial "noise" act I fell in love with comes at it from the noise-rock or "we want to play rock/jazz, but we can't be bothered to learn to play" angle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNKA7i4i9GA

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012



'superior production' is cool and all but on the other hand where would we be without this kind of thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dpv6Xaq3x6E

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot


A human heart posted:

'superior production'

Yeah, that was a snooty of me, and not necessarily an indicator of good music either... Whatever floats your boat, man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k-tRbEW-Rc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW80JfXLZGs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JfkfqpgY_8

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012



a few weeks ago the man behind Iron Fist of the Sun announced that he's done with the project, which is a drat shame because it's probably one of the best projects in the current UK scene and just a cool and unique take on PE in general. if you like the idea of high tech power electronics with influences from musique concrete and other atypical places and you're not already familiar then give it a listen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVJnSHdnYhk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJtmdLs52x8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my0Y2EViyYk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8si28t80d-k

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Jetrock
Jul 26, 2005

This is the tower of murder... it's where I hang out!

I do (well, did, mostly) this thing which is pretty much noise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrYrKNr6gZI

I also do this thing which is definitely a lot of noise, with some friends: http://www.norcalnoisefest.com

After 25 years performing experimental music I'm slowly progressing from "hitting things with sticks and yelling" noise to building small electronic noise devices and circuit-bending.

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