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It's A25. M25 is gonna be the core set in a few years.
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If you're starting with commons and uncommons, there are a lot that are iconic just by their prevalence in standard at the time, or in eternal formats. Flametongue Kavu Remand Imperial Recruiter Counterspell LLanowar Elves Skullclamp etc
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Mar 21, 2018 21:23
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Grizzly Bear and Gray Ogre I think are bad for two reasons: they're underpowered vanilla creatures that get obsoleted by a bunch of other things which we may want in the set even at common (eg. Wild Mongrel), and they're competing with a LOT of other cards from ABU. Llanowar Elves and Lightning Bolt are much more relevant iconic cards for their respective colors from the original set than Grizzly Bear and Gray Ogre, imo. Also Serra Angel, Sengir Vampire, Shivan Dragon at uncommon, etc.
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Mar 21, 2018 23:24
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Here's a list of the A25 stuff sorted by original printing, which is helpful: https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/81t6cz/list_of_masters_25_cards_by_watermark/
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Mar 22, 2018 02:24
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I feel like the only ones on that list that are iconic are Ghost Quarter, Invisible Stalker, and Typhoid Rats. Maybe Village Bell-Wringer too if we also include Kiki or Twin for draft synergy?
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Mar 22, 2018 02:31
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Yeah that makes sense given how relevant fight is nowadays. I think one of either Doom Blade or Go for the Throat would be better than Murder. Mulldrifter is the quintessential common from Lorwyn imo. Also Looter Il-Kor from Time Spiral, since blue common creatures are hard. Fajita Queen fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Mar 22, 2018 |
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Mar 22, 2018 02:44
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Oh poo poo I didn't even think of that. They really handicapped themselves with the mechanics restriction, huh? There are so, so many cards that want to be in this set but can't because they make dumb rules for themselves.
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Mar 22, 2018 02:48
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Kami of Ancient Law is legit a good limited card and probably one of the better commons from Kamigawa since we can't use anything that cares about arcane. Maybe Council of the Soratami, since it predates Divination? And Sakura-Tribe Elder ofc Fajita Queen fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Mar 22, 2018 |
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Mar 22, 2018 04:51
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I think the set has room for 5 counterspells without hurting limited. Several sets have had 2-4 at common and another at uncommon, with some being at rare. Khans, for example, had 5 in a 269 card set. Force Spike / Spell Pierce Counterspell Remand / Lapse Cryptic Command Force of Will Would probably be fine, or maybe replacing one of CC or force with another common or uncommon.
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Mar 22, 2018 22:56
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I feel like including the original Lords (Goblin King, Lord of Atlantis, Elvish Champion, Lord of the Undead, plus Field Marshal from Coldsnap) would be a really good idea to be honest. Maybe be bold and throw them in at uncommon, even! Those core tribes span the entirety of the 25 years of magic and are super iconic, plus a lot of the good common/uncommon filler creatures we'd want to put in the set fall into them anyways, with the possible exception of zombies.
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Mar 23, 2018 02:01
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Gravedigger would be a great and iconic (for limited, anyway) common from Portal, which is also a Zombie.
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Mar 23, 2018 03:00
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You can't say you're making a better set within the same restrictions if you ignore the restrictions. Non-evergreen mechanics are out, if they weren't we'd be talking about an entirely different set of cards. Having a discord in addition to this thread is just gonna dilute the discussion tbh. A google doc for lists of stuff is all we need. Shadow225 posted:Here are some of my immediate thoughts: Hierarch and Batterskull are both out due to keywords, Siege Rhino is good if we're okay with putting in three color cards but we're already going to be tight on slots, the rest are good imo. Loxodon Warhammer, Bonesplitter, Sword of X and Y, Skullclamp, Lightning Greaves (if shroud is kosher), Viridian Longbow are all equipment that are good in limited and fairly memorable re: original Mirrodin. If we want equips from Scars block there's Nim Deathmantle and Sword of Feast and Famine from the first two sets.
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Mar 23, 2018 05:50
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The big problem with Serrated Arrows is that you can't put both -1/-1 and +1/+1 counters in the same set, so that excludes a bunch of cards for its sake. If it ends up working out well anyway that would be cool though. That does leave Lapse as the clear cut winner though, yeah, unless you wanna keep the Shade. Merchant Scroll feels too narrow and Actually scratch that, it's apparently in. He still doesn't strike me as a good pick though because he's a red bomb competing with dozens of other red bombs which are waaaaaay more iconic than him. Fajita Queen fucked around with this message at 06:26 on Mar 24, 2018 |
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Mar 24, 2018 06:21
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Entropic posted:^^^ Icatian Javelineers is a pretty rad limited common from FE.
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Mar 24, 2018 07:21
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Uh... Blood Moon.
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