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A lot of 90s albums inexplicably sound like poo poo even when the songs are good.
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Yeah but in the case of MCIS it's following an album with almost perfect production and was produced by someone extremely talented so the fact that "Zero" sounds great and has bite but then "XYU" has that flat muddy guitar tone makes me think that something went wrong somewhere.
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Nov 13, 2018 04:45
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precision posted:Mellon Collie has some of the most inexplicably bad mixing I've ever heard Difference between Butch Vig and Flood, I suppose? I never really felt like MCIS sounded bad either, though.
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Nov 13, 2018 04:56
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The mix is overall fine, if a little idiosyncratic (the guitars are generally mixed very loud, but that's a style choice). It's the mastering that's kind of hosed up, with the low frequencies really blown out. I think they wanted it to sound loud at any volume like the Zwan album, but they accomplished that by redlining the bass frequencies instead of over compressing the whole thing like with MSotS.
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Nov 13, 2018 05:11
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Yeah that's what I meant. A lot of the songs sound... fat. Like "Here Is No Why" which is also just a terrible song in general Edit: I just went looking for the video for Zero and it appears William had it scrubbed from YouTube? What the heck is the story there? That video owns precision fucked around with this message at 07:54 on Nov 13, 2018 |
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Nov 13, 2018 07:47
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I really like the sound on Melon Collie 
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Nov 13, 2018 12:19
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precision posted:Yeah that's what I meant. A lot of the songs sound... fat. Like "Here Is No Why" which is also just a terrible song in general https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wk7C64kaP4 This one? I literally went to YouTube and typed "Pumpkins Zero"? Also yeah I like the raw and almost demo quality of MCIS. It's part of the charm to me.
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Nov 13, 2018 12:30
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I'm convinced some of the songs (xyu, jellybelly, probably gently caress you, where boys, etc) sound the way they do because they were recorded with the whole band playing live in the room so there's a lot less control over how things like the guitars sound. I know jellybelly has a ridiculous number of overdubs so that's going to cover up a lot of that. Zero is a song on the other hand where every element was really meticulously designed, especially the guitars. There are several 12 string acoustic guitars run directly into the board and distorted with the board's preamp, and some of the guitars were run through a synthesizer for a kind of wave washing over you filter.
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Nov 13, 2018 13:02
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precision posted:Yeah that's what I meant. A lot of the songs sound... fat. Like "Here Is No Why" which is also just a terrible song in general Yikes we're not going to agree at all there. That's one of my favorite tracks.
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Nov 13, 2018 13:05
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Yeah I didn't want to call that out but  The only problem with that song is that the hi hats sounded kind of grating, and I think the rerelease fixed that mostly.
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Nov 13, 2018 13:07
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precision posted:Yeah that's what I meant. A lot of the songs sound... fat. Like "Here Is No Why" which is also just a terrible song in general What in the flaming hell are you talking about?  Yeah, I know, opinions and all that, but drat, man.... that's cold. EDIT: I mean, if we're talking bad pumpkins songs, I'd take one of the lesser tracks from Monuments or Zeitgeist... and if we're talking classic Pumpkins, my vote has to go to The Tale of Dusty and Pistol Pete. I just.... I just don't get it.
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Nov 13, 2018 13:10
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Chiming in to say I have always loved "Here Is No Why". It's one of those songs where I actually remember the first time I heard it, because the open guitar riff was so unique. If you're going to hate on something from MCIS... please choose "Take Me Down".
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Nov 13, 2018 14:13
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Seaniqua posted:Chiming in to say I have always loved "Here Is No Why". It's one of those songs where I actually remember the first time I heard it, because the open guitar riff was so unique. See, I can sort of agree with that, but I'd take off Lily, first. It's an ok song, I don't dislike it, but I feel like it doesn't fit into MCIS because it's a goofy, jokey song about him being a creep, and even the name Lily is from his cat. I think it would've fit better on one of the singles. Switch it out for Set the Ray to Jerry  EDIT: Also, you might not have been able to find Zero on youtube if you're on mobile. Bands do that sometimes.
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Nov 13, 2018 14:22
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I'd probably swap out Cupid De Locke for StRtJ, maybe Lily or We Only Come Out At Night for Medellia or the barbershop version of Jupiter's Lament? Cherry would probably fit in well on the second disk somewhere.
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Nov 13, 2018 17:15
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:EDIT: Also, you might not have been able to find Zero on youtube if you're on mobile. Bands do that sometimes. I searched after posting that and found a few reddit threads asking where the video went too, with the only theory being that the family of the guy in it who died wanted it removed We're talking about the video where they're all gothy and playing in like an 18th century orgy right Also oh yeah for sure there are way worse Pumpkins songs than here is no why after MCIS. Honestly mentally I just sort of file everything after MCIS as "the worse part of their career". There are also worse songs on the album for sure. Edit: okay weird I just looked for Zero again and it's there but not available in my country (America)
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Nov 13, 2018 23:50
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Here Is No Why is kind of a filler-type track but I've always loved it. Inspired riffage. That's my story.
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Nov 13, 2018 23:54
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Yeah exactly. Every single song on Gish and SD is in some way memorable, exciting, loving awesome, or heartbreaking. MCIS was stuffed with b-sides and they're not all on one disc so listening to it is an exercise in frustration.
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Nov 13, 2018 23:58
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Here Is No Why is good, Tale of Dusty and Pistol Pete is very good, post MCIS is good (Adore is easily as good as MCIS hth). I might be (definitely am) a little biased but I honestly think Zeitgeist was weak with a few standout tracks, Monuments is boring as gently caress and the rest is solid to amazing. Also apparently the album leaked and is good. I'm waiting for the official release cause I'm too lazy to find it.
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Nov 14, 2018 00:11
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I can't wait for the Machina I and II remasters, especially Machina II. The vinyl rips are all questionable at best IIRC. Some of them added all kinds of stupid EQ and filters to try and make the vinyl sound "better", but I think they were just compensating for lovely equipment or lovely ripping techniques in the first place. I think the "good" copy I have is from Q101 but even still I'd really like to hear the originals. The few tracks that made it onto Rotten Apples sound so much better than the vinyl rips.
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Nov 14, 2018 01:58
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Adore is a far better album than MCIS but nothing on it hits the high notes of absurd camp that MCIS has so I'd say it evens out Oceania was dece, Zeitgeist was abysmal, Machina 2 is great
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Nov 14, 2018 03:15
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Zeitgeist has Neverlost which might just qualify as the band's most underrated song.
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Nov 14, 2018 03:24
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Tale of Dusty n Pistol Pete is gorgeous. His solo career should have been riffing on it and stuff like To Sheila.
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Nov 14, 2018 07:40
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I would have been happy if that extremely unforgettable solo LP had just been more tracks like "apples + oranjes." I love that drat song.
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Nov 14, 2018 16:36
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Got my vinyl of Shiny Vol. 1 in the mail today. I don't have anything to listen to it with yet, so I just finished listening to the digital copy. It's... okay. The singles are definitely the standout bits, despite their flaws. The rest feels rather half baked. Not bad, but I feel like this could have been far better with a) more time and b) a better producer. Billy's voice does not and never will belong in front of everything else. Dear god no.
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Nov 16, 2018 04:34
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 This obnoxious album title is cracking me the gently caress up lmao Let's see how the album is...
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Nov 16, 2018 06:17
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:obnoxious album title it's honestly tame compared to the whole teargarden by kaleidyscope concept
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Nov 16, 2018 06:26
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It's on Spotify y'all
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Nov 16, 2018 06:27
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Framboise posted:It's... okay. The singles are definitely the standout bits, despite their flaws. The rest feels rather half baked. Not bad, but I feel like this could have been far better with a) more time and b) a better producer. Mostly it feels like any number of bands could have put out some of these songs, though. Like for example: Silversun Pickups, who can oftentimes straight up sound like a Smashing Pumpkins tribute band, have put out songs like these but more interesting. Listening to this, I found myself wishing I was listening to a new Silversun Pickups album instead.
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Nov 16, 2018 06:49
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Meanwhile I think With Sympathy is my favorite non-single. Marchin' On is great, but With Sympathy has a nice Try, Try, Try vibe to it and I love that song.
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Nov 16, 2018 06:53
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Amazon's preorder is still not downloading, loving awesome. So glad I preordered this instead of just buying and downloading it this morning.
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Nov 16, 2018 13:27
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It's on Spotify too, if that is of any use.
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Nov 16, 2018 15:29
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I'm hoping it shows up, even briefly, on youtube (without a subscription) because that's not blocked at work, whereas music streaming sites are 
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Nov 16, 2018 15:32
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:I'm hoping it shows up, even briefly, on youtube (without a subscription) because that's not blocked at work, whereas music streaming sites are It is, official uploads even. They're not in a playlist officially, but people have created ones.
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Nov 16, 2018 18:17
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:Mostly it feels like any number of bands could have put out some of these songs, though. Like for example: Silversun Pickups, who can oftentimes straight up sound like a Smashing Pumpkins tribute band, have put out songs like these but more interesting. Listening to this, I found myself wishing I was listening to a new Silversun Pickups album instead. "Lazy Eye" is my favorite Smashing Pumpkins song
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Nov 16, 2018 19:43
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I'm really digging the back half (Amazon support finally got it working), but I think alienation is too much for me. I think if they took it gothier like "isolation" it might work better? I dig the pads in the beginning though.
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Nov 16, 2018 19:52
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Listened to the album. Weakest track is Alienation for sure but it's a decent song. Pretty happy with every other track too. Marchin' On sounds like they lifted it from MCIS sessions. Very good album in my opinion. Super solid. Not SD or MCIS or Adore or anything but I know I'll be listening to this a lot.
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Nov 19, 2018 02:37
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Alienation reminds me of Toto. Marchin' On whips. I think overall these songs remind me a lot of Machina 2.
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Nov 19, 2018 02:43
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I can safely say I like this more than any other post 2000 album. It'll definitely be in rotation for me.
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Nov 19, 2018 06:05
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Baron von Eevl posted:Marchin' On whips. I think overall these songs remind me a lot of Machina 2. Holy poo poo, this is very true. Machina 3 which would've been a much more concise album title.
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Nov 19, 2018 13:09
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Framboise posted:I can safely say I like this more than any other post 2000 album. It'll definitely be in rotation for me.  v
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