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surf rock posted:That fifth account doesn't even seem to exist anymore? Of the four active examples I see, the only one who looks like she plays into that stereotype is Amouranth. Like, I thought that it was probably a misogynistic narrative in the first place, but I also thought that there would be more evidence for it than this. The 'tiddy streamer' stereotype ostensibly came from girls who would wear very little and do stuff like twerk on camera if they got a sub donation of a certain amount or similar, but because it's the internet that quickly turned into (or really always was) 'streamer is a woman.' That sort of thing I think has mostly gone away as Twitch would ban it pretty quickly. (Relatively speaking.) Dawgstar fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Sep 14, 2020 |
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Dawgstar posted:The usual suspects are starting to roll out in Dan's comments, Adrina Chrome is already my roller derby name, but I'm registering Youtube Klinger right now in case I decide to do a channel devoted to MASH reviews.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Adrina Chrome is already my roller derby name, but I'm registering Youtube Klinger right now in case I decide to do a channel devoted to MASH reviews. Related, somebody in Dan's thread pointed out how hilarious the notion is of being ostensibly so concerned about child abuse and going to get your dose of 'the truth' from 8kun.
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Dawgstar posted:Related, somebody in Dan's thread pointed out how hilarious the notion is of being ostensibly so concerned about child abuse and going to get your dose of 'the truth' from 8kun. Haven't had a chance to watch Dan's video yet, so sorry if it's covered, but QAnon is doing well because it's so dispersed. Most of them have no idea about the real source, they just get it filtered to them through Facebook or Instagram. One goon over in the QAnon thread in D&D managed to have a little luck pulling a friend back out of the rabbit hole just by showing them screencaps of 8kun's entry page and the hot topics of the day.
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Max Wilco posted:https://twitter.com/DakDread/status/1279202612273983490 thats loving amazing. what are vtubers?
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Vocaloids but they stream instead of sing
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Dawgstar posted:Related, somebody in Dan's thread pointed out how hilarious the notion is of being ostensibly so concerned about child abuse and going to get your dose of 'the truth' from 8kun. Dan's video also pointed out that for some people the hypocrisy is the point.
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Dawgstar posted:The 'tiddy streamer' stereotype ostensibly came from girls who would wear very little and do stuff like twerk on camera if they got a sub donation of a certain amount or similar, but because it's the internet that quickly turned into (or really always was) 'streamer is a woman.' That sort of thing I think has mostly gone away as Twitch would ban it pretty quickly. (Relatively speaking.) there's definitely female streamers who use their sexuality to get views, its pretty easy to skirt twitch's rules, and heck even if you dont dance around much theres far fewer rules against talking frankly about sex or whatever, playing up that aspect for a presumably male audience. but i also dont really think its a bad thing to do that. like if you can set an 18+ only flag or whatever (and plenty of male streamers swear up a storm and talk about loving ladies or whatever too) it's just a product people can partake in if they want it. it's not 'unfair' to anyone or anything and its not like most streams are really about the actual games anyway. and ofc even streamers who arent doing that get accused of doing that yeah
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Dapper_Swindler posted:thats loving amazing. what are vtubers? They're streamers, but rather than having a facecam and greenscreen they use their camera to track their facial expressions and impose them onto a 3D avatar with a program. It's not a 1:1 thing, more like "detected face looks surprised, set avatar to Surprised animation state".
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Does twitch take a smaller cut than onlyfans?
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Does twitch take a smaller cut than onlyfans? Nope. Even at the partnered level on twitch you get 75 percent of sub income (lower for normal streamers) and last I'd seen OF the creators get 80 percent.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:thats loving amazing. what are vtubers? There's a thread about them in ADTRW, if you wanted to know more
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Groovelord Neato posted:Nope. Even at the partnered level on twitch you get 75 percent of sub income (lower for normal streamers) and last I'd seen OF the creators get 80 percent. Man, now I really cant imagine the people with small channels who try to make a living in Twitch. I guess cup ramen tastes good.
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Dawgstar posted:Man, now I really cant imagine the people with small channels who try to make a living in Twitch. I guess cup ramen tastes good. 
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is it possible to buy a $10 air mattress
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The first three words of #2 ain't bad advice either, shame about the qualifier.
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First step of stream success: Have your heart explode from ramen-induced high blood pressure
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Takoluka posted:is it possible to buy a $10 air mattress If you want a lovely hand pump one that halfway deflates through the night yeah.
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Groovelord Neato posted:Nope. Even at the partnered level on twitch you get 75 percent of sub income (lower for normal streamers) and last I'd seen OF the creators get 80 percent. Twitch at least is somewhat less mercurial than onlyfans, which changes the rules wildly and without warning, regularly suspends people to avoid paying out, and just in general has some breathtakingly bad design, like how blocking a follower on OF (for, say, being a stalker or threatening you) requires you to refund all the money theyve spent on your account
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Cybershell is spoiling us https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQspd_6ppO8
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:Twitch at least is somewhat less mercurial than onlyfans, which changes the rules wildly and without warning, regularly suspends people to avoid paying out, and just in general has some breathtakingly bad design, like how blocking a follower on OF (for, say, being a stalker or threatening you) requires you to refund all the money theyve spent on your account onlyfans is also entering step 2 of the internet startup cycle, which is to start distancing themselves from the sex workers who made them a viable platform in the first place. the fact that doing that would make them "patreon but with a worse reputation" doesn't really matter here
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https://twitter.com/false_gear/status/1305339264197111809 Oh wait, what's this? https://twitter.com/shaun_vids/status/1305542342858993669 ...sure, Shaun, whatever you say...  Augus posted:Cybershell is spoiling us Cripes, that's like four videos in the span of like three days. Did he spend the last two years just making a hundred videos, and now he's going to release them every twelve hours?
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I'll be sure to use that one in the next dub vs sub argument to rustle the jimmies of my internet enemies
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ah, the wonderful game of telephone that is people in the west talking about Japanese culture. I don't even like vtubers and this is just dumb.
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guys he's talking about actual open racists and far-right reactionaries who like Vtubers, not you, the person reading this post.
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What's the deal with Big Joel? He was raising concerns over height discrimination against men in dating and it reeked of incel talking points. I've heard Joel is supposed to be alright.
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I personally think the Shaun tweet is worded kinda lame and also its premise is just wrong. English translated vtuber clips is how pretty much everyone, even the lovely people, get into them.
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Katt posted:What's the deal with Big Joel? He was raising concerns over height discrimination against men in dating and it reeked of incel talking points. I mean it does gotta suck for guys to see "don't swipe right if you're under 6 feet tall" on Tinder profiles. As a tall guy it's not a problem I have but you do see it a lot on there. Certainly it's not on the level of say Indian men and Black women being respectively least messaged per gender on OKCupid.
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Augus posted:guys he's talking about actual open racists and far-right reactionaries who like Vtubers, not you, the person reading this post. But is there any evidence that this is happening? I mean, there are racists and reactionaries all over the internet. That tweet implies that vtuber fandoms are especially bad, which I don't think is true.
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kinda wish people who made callout posts/tweets like that could be a little more specific like, who are the "western bigots" he is talking about?
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Hes talking about the bigots over this way: >
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Augus posted:guys he's talking about actual open racists and far-right reactionaries who like Vtubers, not you, the person reading this post. I just don't think it's applicable in this situation. For one thing, aren't English speakers who watch these vtubers usually watching them with subtitles? If the subtitles are accurate, the vast majority of the information is not gonna be lost. I don't know why it makes a difference whether you know what they're saying because you read the subtitles or because you heard the words. Plus, generally speaking the vtuber concept deliberately puts distance between who the streamer actually is and the character that is being portrayed. Kizuna Ai has four different people who play the character on stream and they have to all consistently act as this fake girl. Whose opinions or viewpoints are being ignored here? The carefully managed puppet character that probably belongs to a vtuber group run by an entertainment company [there is still something to be said about how artificial this is]? There are plenty of independent vtubers out there, of course, but the big popular ones are far more like entertainment products than people who are just hanging out and streaming. It's not really much different from vocaloids. Maybe you could say that reactionaries are drawn to poo poo like anime because they lack cultural context and the ability to understand the language, so they can draw whatever conclusions they want about the culture. There are certainly people like that. But frankly the worst anime fans are the same everywhere, try talking to a hardcore Japanese otaku with poo poo taste, the conversation will not likely be that different from talking to a 4chan weeaboo over here. I still hate those creepy little awkwardly-animated vtuber character models though. Get em off my screen!
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I believe the context for the Shaun Tweet was one of his mutuals in the Twitter Leftist shitpost sphere talking about liking vtubers and getting a LOT of weirdo anime fash flooding her mentions with a great gnashing of teeth about "western SJW scum ruining our pure anime streams". From a few scattered screenshots and poo poo it's apparently A Narrative amongst the likes of people with usernames like loliMussolini1488.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ypOUn6rThM I'm the same way. It almost feels like the video is missing something. Like the principle described is real - I've definitely played games with skill trees where my interest in continuing to play just plummets as soon as I fill out everything 80% of the way through the game - but I feel like it's a single thread in a much larger tapestry about how mechanics are conveyed and how information is communicated in games. I think there's a lot of overlap with the tabletop game sphere of badly written rules and failing to actually explain what your game is really about. And you've got stuff like how survival games have a hard-on for gating their individual mechanics via crafting systems vs. something like Breath of the Wild that hands you all of your core gameplay verbs as quickly as possible over the course of a short tutorial area. Plenty of instances where "experimentation" is just a fancy way of saying "use trial and error to deduce what the developers actually wanted you to do in the first place, but felt the need to obfuscate with bullshit". I also think there's viable blended approaches out there. Skyrim's explosive popularity could be partly attributed to it having a *sense* of freedom without actually being an endlessly deep true sandbox, but if you get truly lost and confused you have the handrail of the MQ to catch your bearings with. John Murdoch fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Sep 14, 2020 |
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Bakeneko posted:But is there any evidence that this is happening? I mean, there are racists and reactionaries all over the internet. That tweet implies that vtuber fandoms are especially bad, which I don't think is true. It's 100% this: SteelMentor posted:I believe the context for the Shaun Tweet was one of his mutuals in the Twitter Leftist shitpost sphere talking about liking vtubers and getting a LOT of weirdo anime fash flooding her mentions with a great gnashing of teeth about "western SJW scum ruining our pure anime streams". There's a meme going around talking about how Korone is pure and great and not political, because Japan doesn't care about SJWs, and Western streamers are (insert extremely bigoted poo poo here). It's the MAGA anime profile picture people doing what they always do while pretending that a grown woman with individual thought isn't behind the character.
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Ariong posted:Hes talking about the bigots over this way: > That's East, though!
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SteelMentor posted:I believe the context for the Shaun Tweet was one of his mutuals in the Twitter Leftist shitpost sphere talking about liking vtubers and getting a LOT of weirdo anime fash flooding her mentions with a great gnashing of teeth about "western SJW scum ruining our pure anime streams". very strange to me that the extremely online people in this thread are apparently just now learning that fascist MAGA weebs are a vocal group that exists online
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Takoluka posted:There's a meme going around talking about how Korone is pure and great and not political, because Japan doesn't care about SJWs, and Western streamers are (insert extremely bigoted poo poo here). It's the MAGA anime profile picture people doing what they always do while pretending that a grown woman with individual thought isn't behind the character. oh, this old chestnut from weebs lol. "I don't know how to google for this discussion in Japanese so it must not exist." Yes, that happens for pretty much every "controversial" anime topic.
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