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kidkissinger posted:lol no I dunno. They introduced time travel into the series with Rebels and a large plot point was Palpatine wanting to gently caress with the timeline. It's Chekov's Gun, whether we like it or not it's in their back pocket for a reason. Disney isn't very original. I could totally see Darth Badius deciding to gently caress with the timeline and now everything is "different". People would revolt. But fans are revolting anyway tbh. Edit: According to the totally canon Super Star Wars on SNES, Luke is 19 and Han is 31 by ANH. Edit 2: Han not believing in Jedi makes sense. Look at all the people who either fall for fake news or claim everything they hear is the same. Han's seen some poo poo, but never encountered these space wizards. Maybe he just assumed claims of their existence was war time propaganda and political fuckery. For all he knows, Jedi are just super rich guys who rub elbows with the elite, influence politics, and take photos after battles to put a sell-able "face" on the carnage. Dishwasher fucked around with this message at 14:58 on May 17, 2018 |
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Wheat Loaf posted:I don't think most people really care about what spaceships are in it all that much, just that there are some. Growing up, Star Wars was always merely a delivery device for space battle (and occasional snow speeder) porn along with related space battle games. I was all that Dat Pew Pew. The prequels disappointed mainly because the battles weren't good and, most of all, I thought the ship designs were total rear end. But the sequels and R1 delivered in spades by just giving me the old poo poo with a new coat of paint and lots of splosions, even tho this cycle isn't exactly Shakespeare either. Dishwasher fucked around with this message at 02:43 on May 20, 2018 |
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That fight in Rebels is probably legit my favorite fight in the series. So samurai film. And these are laser swords that maim on contact, that poo poo shouldn't last more than 30 seconds 60% of the time. I'm excited for Solo tonight. It feels extraneous and unnecessary, but gently caress it, everything since 1999 outside the books and comics has kinda felt that way. They can't release a new Star Wars every calendar year and expect me 'not' to be a total whore. 
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Al Cu Ad Solte posted:Fun movie. Darth Maul is loving stupid however, and I'm really trying to understand why this and TLJ (let's have Mark Hamill as the original loving space hero Luke Skywalker say, with a completely loving straight face, "Darth Sideous") feel the need to reference the prequels. The prequels "happened". Like many embarrassing things from the past, we can move on, but not "too" much because things in the future are primarily because of things that happened in the past. I loathe the prequels, even having grew up with them. But I like the references. Canto Bright, despite being a non-starter of an arc, was cool because it was an aesthetic straight out the prequels in a OT focused story. And Maul doesn't bother me too much since he got good development and died a fleshed out and sympathetic character (and not just a goddamn action figure or insert for Jedi Academy PC mods). The prequels had a weird tone, so anything to make them seem more in-universe than they were at the time is a good thing. I just think it's goddamn ridiculous that Han had to deal with Maul's machinations. It shrinks an already tiny universe into an elevator sized bubble. Everyone is like 1 or 2 degrees removed from the Emperor, Anakin, or the Trio. And that's bleggghhh..... Space Edit 2 The Edit Strikes Back: I loved Teras Kasi as a kid with way too many games and not enough insight into what actually sucked and what was actually good. It also gave me Leia with a double bladed lightsaber waaay before Maul ran that poo poo directly into the ground. And Han's instant stun pistol whip. So there's that.
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The leak doesn't sound so bad, unless Kylo is the dad then uggghhhh. It'd be funny if the weird thing Palpatine sensed in the Unknown Regions is just a shitload of potential slave labor. It's very....imperial. Ending the movie with the Known and Unknown regions prepping for a Star War is a drag but lol if you thought Disney wasn't going to keep going forward, especially with Solo hinting at diminishing returns on prequels. Recast Leia, I don't care. I think the misgivings are exaggerated and it wouldn't even be the 'worse' thing in these reboots.
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SimonCat posted:I like how all of you think that the 3rd movie is going to resolve anything instead of just setting up endless sequels. You can't make more money from Rey and Co. if their story is over. The story seems so incomplete and the characters so underdeveloped going into IX that if they decided to keep going forward Marvel style it wouldn't be surprising and may even be ideal. I'd be fine with it as for all the mistakes I think they made, I'd still like to see it finish cooking even if it takes more time.
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tino posted:You are fine with paying $40-60 and 8 hours of your life for an incomplete story? Are you representative of average Star Wars fans? I'm fine with an additional $40-60 and 8 hours for a 'complete' story if it comes to that. I'm "not" pleased that this current trilogy seems to lack so much, even a reason to exist, going into the last one. I'd feel even better if the main story switched to a TV show format so there'd be more time if that's what they need. Representative? I wouldn't say that. But franchises and Disney Pixar movies are the only films making real guaranteed money at the theater nowadays and it's the only series I'm willing to go to a theater for. I won't boycott unless it becomes dumpster trash (it's close...) because I'm a total whore. Once its all over (  ) theaters will likely never see me again and are free to gently caress off to the dustbin of history.
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There was no "right" way to do this movie. It shouldn't have included Han. It should have been called something like "Scoundrels: A Star Wars Story" and featured no name gangsters trying to heist and make it under the shadow of the Empire. Starring Dash Rendar if you really want to be nasty because now you have a whole potential series of new movies with no need to cross over into the main stories and no hackneyed forced callbacks with old characters where you already know how it'll end for them, because that's boring. Shiiid, you can even include Lando if you really want to. Instead, Solo's script felt like something a 15 year old would write for a school project, right down to Darth Maul out of nowhere because "it's cool". I still loved it though, as insipid as it was. But I'm also a dirty, dirty whore. 
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Question Friend posted:They really went all the way making PHasma an authentic Boba fett by having her be owned and never do anything Wearing a cool costume that looks good on an action figure on your office desk is the most important thing you can do! I'm not shocked at the rumors of splitting the story into two films and sorta predicted it with the lack of focus on the Roman numbering this go round. There's not a lot there after TLJ basically undid all the events of the previous movie. JJ probably needs 3 more hours to build a story back up and properly pay it off. I'm fine with it, but I feel like with better planning they shouldn't have to. Rewatched Rogue One again after liking it the first couple times and woof! Aside from the space battle and high stakes there's like nothing there at all. The most vanilla of vanilla ice creams.
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Instead of building the universe in TLJ like they had in every other entry in the series (book, comic, movie, etc), they simply decided to do nothing and 'then' be all like "LOL nerds". It's like they were too busy patting themselves on the back for the billion already in the bank, they forgot to write a movie that made sense given the previous one. RJ had a right to be mad about being handed basically no answers for the set ups in TFA as it undoubtedly made his job much harder, especially if he had no interest in following those up anyway. He signed on to write a movie, not carry JJs baggage. But keep that passive aggression to awkward Twitter interactions and out of the movie. Jerk McJerkface posted:My favorite part of Episode 8 is after the movie ended, looking at the confused face of the audience as they walked out of the theaters. This was a movie that people were ready to accept and celebrate no mater how bad and it pushed even 'those' limits. For all the issues, people walked out of the prequels as well as TFA and R1 pretty jazzed up on opening day. Walking out of the theater for TLJ was like walking out of a funeral. It was like I'd watched the midnight release of Transporter 9 with the sheer amount of indifference and "welp" around. Dishwasher fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Aug 13, 2018 |
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I think the entire ST is trash. But what I did enjoy was Luke's EU exploits basically being destroyed and TLJ being about the fallout. I think people were watching the film looking for the Luke that could destroy Star Destroyers, armies, and stars with the power of his mind. Basically a walking force nuke who did whatever the gently caress he wanted to do. Those EU stories are the stories Rey heard and that is what she was looking for in finding him. "Why don't you just nuke everything so we can all get on with our lives?". Even Anakin thought like that. "Nothing can kill a [goddamn] Jedi". Luke was never 'that' powerful in the OT. But being the pilot who killed the Death Star, being the only Jedi openly working with the rebellion, and being on the front lines and being pretty alright (he 'did' take out an AT-AT by himself, I'm sure someone saw it and thought it was the baddest-rear end poo poo ever done) is enough to get people talking. Nevermind being known as the guy who walked into the throne room of the Emperor and Vader and walked out with both dead. Embellishments after the war by people who didn't know that Luke was basically only about 10% stronger than your average guy was a given. His 'connections' saved the war, not his might. His post-ROTJ powers in the EU, while substantial and ridiculous, are basically non-canon. In other words, just Legends (tee hee!) people passed around in bedtime stories. Luke's first real conversation post-OT is basically "lol nope, I can't kill an entire galactic army with a sword are you on drugs? I'm as scared about all this drat fascism as you are I'm chilling out and suggest you do too". He realized people needed the legends canon more than the actual guy (who wasn't gonna be nearly as impressive, charismatic, or powerful as people hoped with 30 years of crazy fake tales and embellishments behind him) and decided to go back to being more of a useful inspirational idea, which is what he was during the OT. As far as those kids at the end knew, Luke saved the Resistance by doing some crazy broken rear end force poo poo and killing, like, a billion dudes before dying heroically on his sword. And that'll be hella useful for recruitment drives. TL:DR, TLJ destroyed Luke, but let you know that the god-like Luke people were clamoring for was never actually a 'thing'. Dishwasher fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Aug 14, 2018 |
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kidkissinger posted:"This movie was poorly written" Yeah, the amount of people saying that not liking TLJ is indicative of maturity issues or being too invested in **my childhood** is weird. It's like people just want an excuse to poo poo on peoples' opinions. Star Wars is a multi-billion dollar entity. You don't have to defend it. It can survive naysaying. "What do you mean you don't like McDonald's! Grow up snowflake."
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Some fans were excited about what the new SW movie would be about plot-wise, how it would intricately weave characters and histories together, and create interesting lore with their new characters. Essentially, people were excited to not have their time wasted. Saying these people are "no one lol" is wasting time. I wasn't a part of the people theorizing about the plot either, but those people weren't coming from a place of idiocy or childishness, but genuine enthusiasm. Seeing people, and even some of the management, poo poo on people for this enthusiasm is kinda sad. "Nothing means anything in this story! Are you not pleased, snowflake?" is definitely the main theme of today's real-world but isn't the kind of thing some people want to see in a film. I think that's understandable. I feel like if another series did this with its story hooks, like Avengers; which didn't waste peoples' time or try to make them feel foolish for caring about details, people would be pretty disappointed. MarcusSA posted:gently caress you Star Wars! Truth is it's definitely time to move on to something else. I think people have already started. Dishwasher fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Aug 14, 2018 |
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Top Gun posted:the prequels could have easily been a rehash of the OT with the ending being the main hero opts to go to the dark side instead of the light. Instead Lucas at least attempted to blaze a different path and create something new. I think this is what got people super-mad in that era. People really just wanted Original Trilogy 2 with modern day effects, an Anakin that was a lot like Luke but a bit more violent and flawed, comfortable familiarity, and an ending where he stabs the guy instead of throwing away the saber and fucks up his Hero's Journey. Even Lucas called such a concept a "retro movie". The prequels were weird, but not bad in hindsight especially with good TV show to fill the gaps. Hell, we never really got to see the everyday life, flora, fauna, culture, and population centers of the universe in OT so we couldn't really say the tone was necessarily "off" (a major complaint) because we didn't see enough of that in the OT to make those assumptions. It'd be like judging the US based on only Hammond, Indiana. You may love the people there and it may be super important to 'you' but the country is large as gently caress and some of it might get a bit weird if you look too close. Soliloquys about hating sand is totally normal to 'these' guys and maybe 'you're' the one with the problem. People think they love a certain culture on the surface and then realize it's actually strange as hell once they see more of it all the time. The rebellion was cool as gently caress, but I certainly wouldn't want to partake in that if it meant living in a world and culture like the prequels. Lucas going full "Let's get weird" makes sense considering those movies were deconstructions of the universe showing the reasons why it was doomed to fuckery. Dishwasher fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Aug 16, 2018 |
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Payndz posted:In an ideal world such vultures would be strung up from lamp posts like Mussolini, but welp. It's sad. People still buy toys. Those aren't unpopular and likely never will be. That whole thing likely never even had to happen and I feel like the world is worse off without TRU (outside Canada, at least) or a suitable large-scale dedicated replacement.
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chiasaur11 posted:some level of stability or cultural continuity Nude Bog Lurker posted:at least the trains ran on time I think the Empire was probably really good at the nuts and bolts of stability, especially coming off the Biggest War Ever Fought. Nobody lacked food at least not in the areas that would hamper the Empire politically, everyone was banded together under one flag (loved the propaganda videos set to an upbeat imperial march theme in Solo), and things were probaaly just fine for people like Random Walking Extra #39 and #219 because they were able to go about their lives, work their jobs, and feed their families. Just like our reality, the cops are still total dickheads but people will always immediately ask "What did they 'do' to get accosted and shot at?" without thinking they may be next in front of that rifle because, afterall, "they" aren't breaking the law (today). Angry Salami posted:*shrug* "Not my problem" Was Solo and Luke getting a taste of regular-rear end life. No sexy bounty hunting, no drudgery of moisture farming, no debts to gangsters, no fight scenes, and no galactic wars and being worshiped as war heroes; then wondering if it was ever worth rocking the boat when you and most people in the galaxy have a house, ship, money, a spice and deathstick connect, and wizard rear end podracing on TV. Life is good. poo poo starts to suck when we gently caress with that.
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Preston Waters posted:they put so much fan service into Solo it ruined it It felt like a script someone on reddit would write and be all like "Check out my Solo prequel script I made in like 3 days! Lando! Falcon! Solo's Gun! Kessel Run! Darth Maul! Shooting first!". Except that slop was from THE large movie studio. They should know better. I still enjoyed it because I'm a dirty, dirty slut. Angry Salami posted:Bodhi has no motivation or character whatsoever. He's the pilot.  He also smiles at grenades instead of running from them. 
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:he had also sacrificed his body, mind and ideals in the hopes of stopping the empire -- and he didn't achieve any sort of victory or slow them down at all. i'd probably kill myself, too. And now they can blow up loving planets. Shoulda just stayed home and watched podracing and Droid Football like everyone else after 20 bby. He'd literally be just as impotent without the lung, body, and sanity issues. Whoops.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Snoke actually committed suicide. He was controlling the lightsaber himself the entire time. Now this is the first theory I've heard thrown around that actually seems interesting (though I know you were just joshing).
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Wheat Loaf posted:There's no joshing or anything like that - this is clearly, unequivocally and incontrovertibly what happens in the film. I like it. And the facial expression post-slice seemed weird to me too. "What are you doing leading the First Order, you killed Snoke. You're better than this." "I didn't kill Snoke. You......you didn't kill Snoke? I saw you grab the saber." *audio stinger* "Shiiid, I was just about to slice your head off before that happened too. Guess we'd better figure out what's going on. "
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I'm not gonna lie. The return of Frank has my dick super hard right now, despite all the negativity the past two years. The whole thing needed a nice bombshell. Super excited for "The Gang Kills Palpatine's Force Ghost".
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Some relatively authoritative spoilers from the moderator of /r/StarWarsLeaks. After a read through, I feel OK about it if true. Don't shoot the messenger. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ SPOILERS! While this is a spoiler friendly subreddit, I'm going to flag this as a spoiler post and warn anyone that doesn't want to know what happens in the film to turn back now. If you are spoiler averse and decide to continue reading, it's your own fault from here on out. If you are pro-spoilers, please do not share details of this post with anyone that does not want to be spoiled themselves. Without any further preamble... As stated in a previous leak, it's been reiterated to me that we will indeed be getting young Luke and Leia flashbacks in TROS. One in particular appears to be the opening of the movie no less. We begin the action by seeing one of, if not the final training lesson between Luke and Leia. Leia is giving up her Jedi training due to the fact that she's pregnant with a son. My source on this mentioned a fight, so I believe that we may be getting Leia and Luke in a lightsaber duel toward the beginning of the film. Picking up in the current point in the timeline. Leia appears to have taken up the mantel of Jedi mentor to Rey in the wake of Luke's passing. Note: This will likely coincide with the scene from the D23 First Look where Rey throws here lightsaber at a training remote and cuts down a tree. Early on in the film, we catch up with Kylo's story where he is "slaughtering" people with the purpose of tracking down one of the film's McGuffins, a device known as the "wayfinder". I'm told that the clip of Kylo body slamming someone into the floor of a forest bathed in red light seen in the teaser. I'm also told that this planet is called "Exogol" (don't quote me on the spelling). Kylo obtains the wayfinder from "The Oracle" and finds it to contain coordinates to a point in the Unknown Regions. The wayfinder that Kylo is given once belonged to his grandfater. Using the coordinates found within the wayfinder device, Kylo arrives in the Unknown Regions. Here, Kylo encounters Emperor Palpatine. How Palpatine is still alive and how he ended up in the Unknown Regions is still a mystery to me that I hope to learn more about in the next few months (Note: Daisy Ridley recently said in an interview that it's explained in the film), but my source on this tells me that this is indeed Palpatine in the flesh. Kylo and Palpatine's conversation apparently centers around ordering Kylo to find Rey and bring her to the Emperor with the goal of turning her to the dark side. Note: It's not lost on me that this part of the story feels very Return of the Jedi inspired, but we'll just crack on and see how this all pans out. My source specifically mentioned that Palpatine is very old and decrepit at this point, possibly on the verge of death. A little bit of Googling reveals that Palpatine is thought to have been born around 84 BBY making him in the neighborhood of 113 years old by the events of The Rise of Skywalker. His goal in luring Kylo to him and converting Rey to darkness is more or less to have Rey and Kylo inherit his "new Empire" and for them to rule it together. In order to facilitate bringing about this "new Empire", Palpatine has spent his 30 years of PTO creating a fleet of "Death Star Destroyers" (Note: I don't know if this is their actual name or not. Personally, I hope not, it's bit on the nose) which appear to be exactly what they sound like. Star Destroyers with Death Star tech mounted on them, giving them the capability to destroy a planet. (Note: Apparently once this particular technology was unleashed 30 some odd years ago, that Pandora's box can't be shut again). According to my source, these star destroyers make up the "Sith Fleet" that house the new red Sith Troopers that were showcased at SDCC in July. Note: I wrote this prior to the First Look being shown and the fleet has since been confirmed. It's comprised of Imperial star destroyers hiding in the Unknown Regions and we see what appears to be their planet destroying capabilities during the reel. Enough about Rey and Kylo, let's get back to the rest of the Resistance. Apparently we catch up with Finn and Poe returning to the jungle planet depicted in some of the behind the scenes images shown at Celebration. The duo has been in contact with an informant from within the First Order. The mole has told Finn and Poe about Kylo coming into possession of the "wayfinder". Note: It's unclear to me if anyone in the Resistance understands what the "wayfinder" is or where it leads. They just want to find it. Poe and Finn tell Leia about this and she sends Rey, Chewbacca, C-3PO and the other droids to accompany them on the mission. In order to get them going on their quest, Leia puts them in contact with someone on Pasaana (The desert planet, filmed in Jordan) It's at this point in the story where the Resistance team makes their way to the desert planet seen in the teaser and behind the scenes footage. It's revealed that Leia's contact is Lando Calrissian. Lando points them toward another one of our McGuffins, a "Sith artifact" that apparently turns out to be a dagger. This dagger has some sort of writing on it that 3PO can’t decipher. Note: My source understands this to be a "Sith language". That description is pretty vague for me, but the key point is sound. Heroes find dagger, dagger has writing on it that 3PO can't read. It’s during our heroes time on Passana that Kylo initiates a Force mind link between himself and Rey. Through their connection Kylo discovers where Rey and the Resistance crew are and leaves to pursue them. Eventually Kylo and the Knights of Ren arrive and begin to attack our heroes. One thing leads to another and the Resistance crew gets outnumbered and they are forced to make their escape on an old ship leaving the Millennium Falcon behind. Kylo recovers the Falcon and takes it back to his Star Destroyer. As previously mentioned, 3PO is confronted with a challenge he is not equipped to handle. The artifact found on Passana contains a language that 3PO can’t translate without modifications. In order to modify 3POs programming, Poe brings the team to the wintery planet seen in the teaser (Kijimi per the Vanity Fair article). There C-3PO is modified to allow translation of the artifact. I'm told that the modification is done by a small alien (possibly the one pictured in Image A of my post from 6 months ago. I'm not 100% sure on that, but confident enough in who told this to me that I'm willing to put it out there) Once translatable the dagger supposedly reveals information regarding a second wayfinder, this one having belonged to Emperor Palpatine himself, leading the team to journey to the forest moon of Endor. Note: My sources tell me that the scene from the First Look reel showing 3PO with red eyes connects to this event. The Red eyes are part of the "hack" that allows him to translate the "Sith language". During the events leading to the modification of 3PO on the wintery planet, Kylo initiates another Force connection between he and Rey. Kylo supposedly uses this as an opportunity to begin forcing Rey down the path of darkness. He does this by antagonizing Rey. Kylo tells her that he knows about the dagger and what it was once used for. Kylo apparently tells her that this dagger was used to murder Rey’s parents. Kylo maintains that her parents are nobodies in the grand story. This angers Rey and she lashes out at Kylo and a lightsaber duel ensues. Rey is on Kijimi and Kylo is on his Star Destroyer. According to my source no flashes of any additional locations are seen during this fight (possibly in the film at all, but we'll see). Ren keeps the link alive long enough to learn Rey’s location and eventually peruses her in his Star Destroyer like before. Zori Bliss is introduced sometime during their time on this planet. Note: My sources told me that she has history with Poe prior to Keri Russell saying the same thing in an interview days ago. What this history may be is still a mystery to me right now. Once Kylo arrives, our gang of heroes decide to sneak aboard and attempt to recover the Falcon prior to leaving. The rescue plan goes awry and the whole group gets captured by the First Order. It’s at this point that two major things happen: It’s revealed that Hux is the First Order mole that has been feeding the Resistance information and he allows the heroes to escape while Kylo is distracted by dueling with Rey in person. During this duel, Kylo adds another wrinkle to Rey’s backstory. He maintains that while her parents are nobodies, her grandparents (more specifically her grandfather) wasn’t. Kylo tells Rey that she is the granddaughter of Papatine. This explains his interest in bringing the random nobody from Jakku into the fold. The crew recovers the Falcon, Rey reconnects with them and they all flee. Following her battle aboard the Star Destroyer and escape on the Falcon. Rey uses the newly gleaned information resulting from 3POs modifications and the translation of the dagger to travel to Endor. At this time, it’s a little unclear to me how Kylo gets from point A to point B, but supposedly he is waiting for Rey in Palpatine’s throne room aboard the wreckage of the second Death Star. (Note: I assume he knows the location of the second wayfinder due to his newfound connection to Palpatine, but that's just speculation on my part. I think it's important to note that Kylo may have been there before considering that he had the charred helmet of Vader in TFA.) Naturally, they fight. The specifics of this duel are unknown to me, but what I have been told about it is that it’s at this point when Rey begins to tap into some hatred to gain the upper hand and eventually defeats Kylo (Note: possibly destroying his lightsaber in the process, but that's more rumor than leak at the moment), leaving him for dead on the wreckage of the Death Star. Rey takes possession of Palpatine's wayfinder and leaves. My sources tell me that the "Dark Rey" moment seen in the D23 footage is in fact a vision (described to me as thematically similar to Luke seeing himself as Vader in the cave on Dagobah). This apparently is a short sequence that happens right after Rey picks up Palpatine's wayfinder. While lying in the wreckage of the Death Star weakened state Kylo Ren reportedly sees a vision of his father. (Note: It’s unclear to me if Han appears as a bona fide ghost or just through the magic of injury induced hallucinations, but this interaction supposedly acts as Kylo’s “come to Jesus” moment.) Han tells Kylo that it’s never too late to change and when he leaves Endor, he leaves not as Kylo Ren, but as Ben Solo. This duel is a critical tipping point for Rey as well. I’m told that in the wake of her confrontation with Kylo, she takes the wayfinder and flees to Ahch-to to collect her thoughts. Her mindset is reportedly mirror Luke’s while he was there prior to and during the events of The Last Jedi. The vision of a possible dark future for herself in conjunction fact that she nearly killed Kylo scared Rey in the same way that considering killing Ben in his sleep scared Luke many years prior. She feared the path she was headed down and decides to swear off the Jedi, exiling herself on Ahch-to. Rey scuttles the ship she used to get there just like Luke once did and she caps it all off by casting Anakin's reconstructed lightsaber toward her ship. Just when it looks like the Jedi Order is going to end (again), the specter of Luke Skywalker appears to Rey, holding her discarded lightsaber and does what all good Force ghosts do; gives our hero the resolve to do what needs to be done. Finish the work Luke began over 30 years earlier and put an end to the Emperor for good. According to my source, Luke passes on Leia’s lightsaber to Rey. (Note: I don't know where it came from, where it's been all this time, or how Luke is able to give it to Rey, but what I can tell you (with only about 50% confidence at this point) is that Leia's blade is supposedly blue.) Bolstered by her conversation with Luke, Rey takes Leia's lightsaber, transmits the location of the Sith fleet to the Resistance before heading out herself. On the subject of Force ghosts, Luke makes another appearance around the time of Rey and Kylo’s crises of faith. Back at the main Resistance base, Leia is on her deathbed. My source describes it to me like Yoda’s death in Return if the Jedi, nothing bad happened, it was just her time to go. Luke has come to says goodbye, but before it all ends for Leia, he has one final lesson for her... From what I've been able to put together, the final act of the film is structured like this: Rey leaves Ahch-to and travels to the Sith fleet in the Unknown Regions. Eventually the Resistance fleet arrives and battle ensues. Somehow, Rey finds her way to The Emperor who has been waiting for her. Palpatine confirms that what Kylo told her was true. Apparently after his defeat at DSII, Palpatine was shaken by the fact that he wasn't able to maintain his hold on Vader or seduce Luke to the darkness due to their familial bond. During the course of their conversation Palpatine makes reference to this bond between Vader and Luke and likens it to his bond with Rey hoping that whatever familial connection they have will be enough to win her over and become as strong as that of the Skywalkers. Note: What my source described next feels very reminiscent of RotJ. Rey is trapped in The Emperor’s throne room, watching two opposing fleets battle while she is helplessly gazes onward. It’s at this point that Kylo/Ben reappears. How we get to this next part is still a bit fuzzy to me, but apparently Ben and Rey join forces and begin attacking Palpatine. Leia's lightsaber comes back into play when Rey and Kylo share the Skywalker lightsabers throughout their fight. At some point the Emperor overpowers them both and supposedly kills Ben. (Note: there have been reports from other reputable leakers that Kylo kind of/sort of dies, but my source on this seemed pretty unambiguous. Personally, I think we'll just have to wait and see what we learn over the next few months.) When it looks like all Hope is lost, the ghosts of Luke and Leia show up to aid Rey. Together they overpower the Emperor and end his darkness once and for all. As for what the other members of the Resistance are doing at this point, they are engaged in a space battle against Palpatine's fleet lead by General Pryde. The Resistance's goal is supposedly to take out the flagship, severing communications and making navigation out of the Unknown Regions impossible. The flagship is destroyed around the same time that the Emperor dies. The last thing I was told is regarding the final sequence of the film. I don’t why, but our heroes travel to Tatooine. During these scenes, it is supposedly revealed that Rey has cannibalized Anakin/Luke's lightsaber and Leia's to make one of her own that supposedly has a yellow/gold blade. She buries the leftover pieces on the grounds of the former Lars homestead. The final shots of the Skywalker saga allegedly echo how the adventure began in ‘77, our heroes gazing at the horizon dreaming of the future as twin suns set in the distance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thoughts? I think its fine. I didn't like where TLJ went with the story, but this seems oddly satisfying.
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YaketySass posted:I'm just so tired of all these Death Star Wars. I'm merely 'mildly annoyed and hoping for improvement' in these Star Wars. Post was pinned on StarWarsLeaks, no one posted it here, and it seemed worth posting. I'm down for anything that isn't "Last battle is against Matt Smith and Kylo dies like Arnold in End of Days". Because loving hell, that's dreck. 
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Aug 30, 2019 23:35
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I feel like its real, with a few details left out. I'm also fine with it. It's basically JJ being like "gently caress it! We're pandering." It's just probably the only way he felt he could go forward. I like my big budget blockbusters super pandering, so I'm All In.
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Aug 31, 2019 02:22
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High Lord Elbow posted:The ST writing is pure poo poo. The OT is also trash, but it was okay for the time. Standards have increased but the quality of Star Wars hasn’t and that makes me sad. I think this is the main issue. This isn't Shakespeare. The writing and plot is about the same in the ST as it is in the PT and OT. People wanted something comparable to some of the best stories being created today. Instead, people just got more Star Wars.
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Sep 3, 2019 16:08
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Vinylshadow posted:A gangster, aye, a gangster, O! Now a want a Star Wars Shakespearean stage play.
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Sep 3, 2019 20:09
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General Dog posted:If we're talking quality of dialogue that's a defensible take, but the galactic conflict in the ST is nonsensical and takes massive shortcuts in a way that the PT and OT never did. Fair enough. The broader scope of the war isn't really touched on as well as I'd like. But, remember, many of the finer details in the OT were also left open to context clues and 'sequel-prequel'-bait while the PT had a little too much exposition on details to where its in danger of failing to 'show-don't-tell'. All three had goofy quirks in their execution (and lots of literal goofy rear end poo poo in general). The PT and OT stuck the landing with satisfying conclusions and maybe a feeling of some missed opportunities if examined objectively. If the ST has a good ending, and I do like this current leak much more than TLJ's around this time, much of it's quirks will be forgiven too I think.
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Sep 3, 2019 20:17
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Necrotizer F posted:I liked the show okay. I mostly watched Seasons 2-4 for people other than the main cast, like Vader, Thrawn and even Palpatine. I kind of hated the last episode (Really? Thrawn is defeated by loving magic space whales?) but ultimately had to accept it (Yeah, figure the only thing Thrawn wouldn't see coming and be able to counter would be loving magic space whales). Magic FTL-travelling space whales (  ) as the source of hyperspace technology in the universe is both extremely cool and also exceedingly stupid as gently caress all at the same time. So I suppose it checks out.
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Sep 12, 2019 02:39
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:After the opening crawl, we pan from space. The camera moves towards a planet covered in trees. We see a blue lightsaber dueling a green lightsabers in the distance. Both of the lightsabers are held in hand by two Jedi with white helmets with visors covering their faces so we cannot immediately recognize if this is Rey with someone new. The two Jedi break from their duel and remove their helmets to reveal Luke Skywalker and Leia Organa looking exactly the age they did in Return of the Jedi on Endor's moon. The movie begins with a flashback. What to expect when you're expecting. It's the Star Wars sequel opening I would have wanted and imagined as a 16 year old. Now...whether or not that is a good thing is another story. .........  Edit: I like the ST so far, Solo, and Rogue One (which might be my favorite in the whole series). I'm more excited for The Mandalorian than I likely "should" be. I recognize the flaws of the Disney approach, but I'm also that guy who is just really happy these are being made in the first place because we could be stuck with novels with a 90 year old OT trio and more comics that flesh out things I never cared about (but still read anyway!). Like, I'm ALL the gently caress in at this point unless they literally put feces on my face with every ticket. Which, I suppose, makes me the perfect kind of whore for Disney to rake in billions with, one movie ticket and DVD at a time. I regret nothing.
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Sep 16, 2019 01:25
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That leak is too stupid, even for "me". So it's obviously the right one.
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Sep 17, 2019 21:54
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General Dog posted:I can't believe they're actually teasing "Finn is Lando's son". I'm sure it won't actually be the case, but why would they even go there? Right? Like, way to jump on the "Lando is the only black man in the entire loving universe" meme.
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Sep 17, 2019 22:30
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CharlestonJew posted:Wow Rose as the new Jar Jar Binks makes a lot of sense The video of her at a restaurant days after TLJ dropped secretly listening to the people at the table next to her talk about the film and then visibly, knowingly clenching when they start talking about her character was interesting. Then they basically say, "Yeah, I liked her. She was alright!" and her being so loving relieved she has to walk over and thank them was wholesome, but kinda brutal. Most of the people I discussed the movie with had a combination of "Who?!" and "Oh....she's the worst!'. These were regular people too, not typical internet Youtuber types with an axe to grind. While you're excited to be cast in the new Star Wars and cash those Disney checks, "everyone" is probably afraid of being the new Jar Jar. The problem is mostly the writing, like everything else in ST, but people just didn't take to how....unnecessary her character seemed to be. And when a character is unnecessary, people will dogpile on everything about them that may not have been an issue, or maybe even been charming, in a better written movie. Dishwasher fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Sep 18, 2019 |
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Sep 18, 2019 02:04
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I never noticed the dice were rigged, but it seems so obvious now that Qui-Gon would be like "loving really, bruh?!" and change the result.Fitzy Fitz posted:George Lucas wanted the sequels to be about microscopic force creatures. No one should be listening to him. SuperMechagodzilla posted:Lucas’ sequels were going to be about what’s been causing all these mutations. Like, why do people have psychic powers in the first place? Shrinking people for microscopic adventures was a big part of golden-silver age pulp cinema. Considering Star Wars was always a tribute to things Lucas watched as a kid, we shouldn't be surprised that this was the move. FlamingLiberal posted:Kathleen Kennedy- “oh really? Endgame got 3 hours? Well we get five” Star Wars deserves as much time as it needs to wrap things up, even if the poo poo is destined to be dumb as gently caress. YaketySass posted:Famously mystical concept, an "energy field" created by biological life. The fact that he said "energy field" implies that this mystical thing was always leaning more towards the science-y aspects of the universe and less towards the spiritual. It fits right in with all the rest of the techno babble people spout about ships, droids, deflector shields, and battle stations.
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Sep 26, 2019 00:50
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Right. There was so much denial with the other leaks because there's "no way" this is gonna be "that" stupid. This will be "that" stupid.
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Sep 30, 2019 00:04
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euphronius posted:It shows that hux is arrogant. And he is. And that was a character flaw. Considering that the leaks point to Hux being the mole, leaving the shields down on purpose makes sense. Especially if he was in on knowing about the suicide bomb plan. An A-Wing crashing through the bridge took down the Executor. And crashing two Star Destroyers together and crashing "that" into a planetary shield led to the Death Star plans getting out and basically the whole government falling a few years after that. Holdo's suicide bombing is gonna have the same effect on the FO too with letting the Resistance escape and eventually win in IX. Han even exploits the fact that Star Destroyers don't handle collisions well at all to escape the fleet in the asteroids. A whole Destroyer is even destroyed when it takes one to the bridge later. The Empire's stock military tactics is probably just really bad at watching out for obvious poo poo like "What if *blank* crashes into the ship tho? Shouldn't we have shields/shock absorbers specifically for that?". It has definitely hurt their war effort dramatically at very costly times. It's a silent Achilles heel no one really talks about, which is pretty cool and likely realistic because poo poo like that "does" change history in real life. Real military around the world probably have similarly stupid blindspots that people in the know call out while those in charge are like "Nah, can't afford it and I don't like change. It'll be fine". Dishwasher fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Oct 5, 2019 |
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Oct 5, 2019 01:46
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well why not posted:Sword Diplomat! Sword Scholar! Get on the battle bus! That feeling when you forget to respec before the raid.
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Oct 23, 2019 22:46
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People were satisfied with the build up to Endgame even if the finale was a bit of a wet balloon. They were salivating and ready for any conclusion. I think with SW, they already know this trilogy is probably a creative disaster. It may even need an additional trilogy to wrap itself up. Best to just rip off the bandaid and keep pointing at The Mandalorian and other stuff. The Mandalorian is pretty much an effortlessly perfect Star Wars OT sequel. I'm really, really liking Rebels so far too. Probably because its not set in the PT era, which I'm kinda ehhhhh about. Clone Wars is...just ok. The humorous and light tone of Rebels fits the universe better, but I can see why it pissed people right the gently caress off Immediately. The cowards should make the new trilogy resolve the Rebels ending cliffhanger.
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Dec 14, 2019 15:53
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Endgame was 'OK', but I'm not the biggest fan of that series to begin with. Why so aggressive? Its the weekend and 5 days away from a new Star Wars flick, chill.
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Dec 14, 2019 18:48
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BisonDollah posted:My god, reddit/redlettermedia has a whole lot to answer for. Star Wars geeks are loving miserable bores nowadays. I kinda agree. Even the OT, while obviously better, wasn't exactly Shakespeare and I always thought SW was best served viewing it just as you said, as you would a spectacle or NFL game instead of a serious movie. Star Wars just ain't the genre, though we'd love it to be. SW just isn't trying to be super serious filmmaking (though it deals with serious themes and requires so many loving man-hours of work), and when it "is" its accidental. Someone said it earlier in the thread: The billion dollar media franchise ran by suits, stockholders, and focus groups juuust might gently caress up their stories and people need to get thicker skin and move on when that happens. It's not the end of the world if Star Wars had another gutter trash trilogy. We Gonna Be OK. This seems to fit the bill as a light-hearted action-packed romp. Considering this whole trilogy is basically running, jumping, shooting, and killing, they should bring back the SNES Super Star Wars series for the ST. Everyone complained about these adaptations because the OT wasn't all about killing and shooting dudes like John McClane the entire time, but the ST is literally basically that. Like, watching a playthrough would be drat near like watching the films. Dishwasher fucked around with this message at 12:51 on Dec 19, 2019 |
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Pollyanna posted:I mean, that’s the thing. Star Wars doesn’t need to be good, the entire point is flashy hype machine. It’s beer and popcorn. It sucks to say it, but if I want a good movie, I’ll watch something else. I swear! I'm going into RoS today (if I can get a ticket lol), and I'm going in primarily for the starfighter and capital ship porn, swelling John Williams score, and fun chase and gun/swordfight scenes. That's what Star Wars has really been for me and what keeps me coming back as a grown rear end man (tm). Sure, I can pontificate on Luke's Hero's Journey, the successful delivery of political drama in children's storytelling in the PT, how movies like the OT teach positive values to the youth who watch it, and the special effects technical master class. But really, I'm here for the pew pew, zoom zooms, and wham whams. And it seems like RoS brought that to a ridiculous degree. "Palpatine shows up alive with like a thousand Star Destroyers. Armed with loving Death Star Lasers! And everyone loving fights that poo poo out in open space." is right out of a 9 year old's very first fan fiction SW sequel and it's glorious. That's why people (myself included) were taken aback. These movies were never designed to be Very Serious Business to begin with. Except to the stockholders, of course. Dishwasher fucked around with this message at 13:52 on Dec 19, 2019 |
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