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Rose gets ire because she is - by far - the most interesting ST character. But she also doesn’t belong in that movie. Basically they should have gone back and made Force Awakens about her and her sister.
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AndyElusive posted:Rose isn't the new Jar Jar. Rose is the new Luke Skywalker (Episode 4 version).
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Sep 18, 2019 08:16
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THX 1138: The Hybrid Cut is a reconstruction of the theatrical release that incorporates the least-dated Director’s Cut changes, so it’s the best version of the film out there.
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Sep 23, 2019 15:40
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Fitzy Fitz posted:George Lucas wanted the sequels to be about microscopic force creatures. No one should be listening to him. Lucas’ sequels were going to be about what’s been causing all these mutations. Like, why do people have psychic powers in the first place? Of course we have the midichlorians as a basic mechanism, but where did they come from? It seems like Lucas was going to reveal that midichlorians did not evolve naturally, but were engineered by an ancient species that had transcended its concrete physical form and spread itself across the galaxy as a ‘grey goo’ sort of deal. So these ‘Whills’ have been subtly manipulating events - and that automatically raises questions of, like, what are their intentions? Are they evil?
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Sep 24, 2019 17:17
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No Mods No Masters posted:I think that's some classic "prequels are so confused you can read everything both ways" BS. The midichlorians angle is mainly pushed by qui gon, who lucas seems to think is the wisest and least misguided jedi. Quigon is a Jedi fundamentalist whose misguided wrecklessness ends up letting Sheev rise to power. Fans want it both ways, where being a Jedi is pure spirituality and mysticism, but you also get objectively-existing videogame powers with which to launch cars through the air and pwn robots. But you can't actually have it both ways. Once the psychic powers become measurable, they enter the realm of the objective and you eliminate faith. Faith means saying that Jar Jar and the droids are just as strong. And that's something Quigon doesn't believe.
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Sep 25, 2019 17:39
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Hammerstein posted:If George wanted to go the "unreliable narrator" route with him, he could have dropped a few more clues. Do you know what a narrator is.
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Hammerstein posted:I expect people to understand my analogy. It's not too far fetched. Quigon is not the narrator of Star Wars. Quigon is not ‘analogous to’ the narrator of Star Wars.
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Sep 25, 2019 18:05
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porfiria posted:I don’t know if I entirely buy this because it’s a story—in a story, if faith can move mountains, a character might actually move a mountain. The idea that “faith can move mountians” is false. It’s based on a bad misquotation of the New Testament. Christ says in (Matthew 17:16-20) that faith the size of a mustard seed can move a demon the size of a mountain. He’s saying faith can move demons. He is not saying that faith can make mountains disappear, because that’s horseshit. Ironically, midichlorians are literally these microscopic “seeds” that literally move mountains - which leads the Jedi to make the same mistake you’re making: mixing the metaphors and worshiping mustard.
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porfiria posted:The Bible is nonfiction, the Prequels are fiction. Correct - but a children’s story in which a sentient mustard seed lifts a sentient Mount Everest because he simply decides to become omnipotent just isn’t a good story.
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Sep 25, 2019 21:27
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garycoleisgod posted:If Qui-Gon was meant to be an example of an ideal jedi, how come in the first scene he's in Obi-Wan correctly senses there's something wrong with this whole trade dispute deal (seeming to feel Sidious behind it all already) and Qui-Gon tells him to shut up as they are facing cowards who will fold easily? Let’s face it: Quigon’s many, many errors are eclipsed by his gentle paternalism and caucasian features.
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I hope it’s extremely real and the film really does end with CGI Carrie Fisher beating the emperor because gently caress the new characters lol.
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Sep 30, 2019 15:22
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euphronius posted:They knew what she was doing and would have stopped it if they had their shields up “Their shields have a fractional refresh rate. Keeps anything traveling slower than lightspeed from getting through.” -Hans The baddies have zero defence against hyperspace kamikazes, except blowing the ship up before it can strike. It’s specifically their main weakness. The actual trouble with the hyperspace kamikaze attack is that it takes a long time to charge up, it has to be done at very close range and, (despite being flashy) it doesn’t actually accomplish much. I’m pretty sure none of the baddie ships are actually destroyed; it’s cosmetic damage. This leads to a dissonance between plot and narrative. The plot relies on Holdo’s attack being weak in order to explain why it’s exceptional and unexpected.
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SolarFire2 posted:Cosmetic damage? The giant bad guy ship gets sliced almost in half and we several smaller Star Destroyer types getting cut into thirds. The idea of smashing into the enemy aircraft carrier at faster-than-light speed is immediately countered by the reality that there is no incredibly huge explosion. What actually happens is that chunks of each ship touched by The Radish are ‘pulled into hyperspace’ and, effectively, deleted. That’s the source of the dissonance: there’s a lengthy build-up to a massive explosion, “EXECUTE”, big close-up of a hand pressing that shiny red button, a blinding flash of light, God Himself pauses in terror as the universe falls silent.... But what happened? Seemingly all the ships are still operational, and the baddies have no trouble deploying a ton of troops and fighters down to the planet. Holdo accomplished a momentary distraction, but the guys who could hollow out an entire planet and convert it into a vacuum cleaner (that works in a vacuum) aren’t going to have any problem replacing the panelling on a half-dozen large boats. Ultimately, nobody cares that the ship is damaged. Hux and Kylo have an argument over who gets to lead the army. Then they evaluate what the Resistance are up to, casually assemble the troops, load them into transports, attach cables to the big cannon, and so-forth. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Oct 6, 2019 |
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Preston Waters posted:If you nitpick any Star Wars film you're going to be able to bitch about literally everything. Summarize your bigtime OT nitpicks for us lol
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Oct 7, 2019 03:09
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SolarFire2 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2hM1tyEL0U&t=99s If the ship were simply smashing into the other ship at lightspeed, everyone should be extremely dead. There's absolutely no way Rey, Rose and FN could survive it. Leia and Poe would probably be dead too. The explosion in the film is, instead, relatively miniscule. Why? The reason is, first of all, that Holdo's impact isn't the precise cause of the explosion. That's to say the firey orange explosion you're talking about is not purely the release of kinetic energy. It occurs long after the impact, probably from a damaged fuel tank or something (doesn't really matter). Point is that Holdo doesn't just smack into the ship and explode. Because she's simultaneously "entering hyperspace", she travels through the ship - producing those blue-white streaks. This causes an impressive flash of light, but also significantly reduces the force of the impact. You can also see the individual ships exploding in sequence, which means that the hyperspace debris that shotguns out is traveling way slower than the speed of light. Short version: the phrase "hyperspace kamikaze" sounds neat, but the conceit of the made-up hyperspace physics is actually used to explain why the attack is less impressive than it would be in reality.
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There’s zero difference between FN attacking the cannon with love and FN attacking it with anger. The issue, as presented in the film, is that FN disobeys an order from his superior officer. This disobedience, according to Rose, betrays an insufficient love for the Resistance.
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Oct 7, 2019 22:47
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General Dog posted:"Never tell me the odds," said Han, and then C-3P0 grabbed the stick and steered the Falcon away from the asteroid belt and radioed the nearest Star Destoryer their intent to surrender. Nah, that scene works under TLJ-logic because Han outranks C3PO and is acting in service of the rebellion. The scene that defies TLJ-logic is literally every scene in A New Hope in which Leia complains about the current plan.
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Hodgepodge posted:Like, what could red light represent in Star Wars? 1) It’s an orange light. 2) It represents “the spark, that will light the fire that will burn the First Order down” except that FN wasn’t authorized to use it. 3) Saying “red light represents evil” is legit nonsense. Red light on a puppy? Clearly an evil puppy, because of what the light tells me. (Where is the light coming from? That is, who is casting this light on the puppy?) 4) Luke Skywalker is Red Five, dressed in orange with red logos, ship painted red, shoots red lasers at the Death Star. 5) The actual point of the scene is that Rose’s “love” for FN is being performed on behalf of Poe. Rose (nearly) sacrifices herself to enact Poe’s orders, and therefore Poe is kissing FN by proxy. 6) This is because of the obvious callback to how Rose’s sister defied Leia’s orders and successfully sacrificed herself to save the fleet. Leia and Rose don’t care that the sacrifice worked and saved everyone from the “fleet-killer”. They’re upset that Rose’s sister is dead, and they attribute that death to her rejection of Leia’s love - which is specifically the love of the Rebellion leadership. Even though the sister obviously dies to protect Rose, with her golden necklace of sisterhood, Rose falsely believes that her sister was merely consumed by hatred. This is what motivates Rose to attack/kiss FN. 7) Ultimately, when Holdo says “we are the spark, that will light the fire that will burn the First Order down”, this “we” is referring to herself: “I am the spark that will light the fire.” FN is therefore not allowed to be a spark. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 12:15 on Oct 8, 2019 |
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Ultra-nuclear holocaust is a serious crime, and it doesn't need to be joked about or discussed in weird ways.
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Gonz posted:Surnames are a tricky thing in the SW universe. Luke’s last name is officially Lars, not Skywalker. He starts calling himself Skywalker after he finds out he’s adopted, because “you’re not my real dad!”
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Teek posted:In your fanfic, is this before the events of A New Hope? It’s in Episode 2 and 3. Shmii marries Cliegg Lars, whose son is Owen Lars. Later, Owen Lars and his wife Beru Lars adopt Luke to raise as their own. They know about the Jedi purges, so obviously they name the kid Luke Lars. At some point before Episode 4, Luke finds out he’s adopted. So the Larses admit that Luke’s dad was a pilot named Anakin Skywalker, but cover up the fact that Anakin was a Jedi because being a Jedi is extremely dangerous. (The Larses probably didn’t know Anakin became Darth Vader, given that Obiwan literally took that secret to his grave.)
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Oct 22, 2019 23:28
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well why not posted:The point of her parents being nobodies is that the force is not genetic and this is no longer a story about genetic supremacy. No it’s not. That is a meme spread by people struggling to understand the film. Rey is genetically superior because she has lots of midichlorians, like Yoda. Rey’s parents are ‘nobody’ because she ends up being adopted by ‘somebody’: her new mommy figure, Leia. quote:Snoke dying was a rejection of the big bad guy format. There’s no such thing as a “big bad guy format”, and Snoke literally is a big, bad guy who dies at the end of the film. That’s not a subversion. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Oct 23, 2019 |
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Episode 8 subverts the idea that people without superpowers are nobodies by saying Rey’s parents are powerless nobodies. Meanwhile, without her genetically enhanced combat and piloting skills, Rey would be... a mechanic on an animal transport barge?
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Brother Entropy posted:fortunately canon is a fake idea and you can ignore disney's new bad movies and no one can stop you but yourself By all appearances, Episode 9 is a direct sequel to Episode 7. So I’m really looking forward to Jakkooine on a massive scale.
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AccountSupervisor posted:Like if Episode 9 somehow makes a thematic point of that triumph being fleeting, Ill sing a different tune. The issue is that this point was already implicit in the end of Jedi, in that Vader’s sacrifice only grants Luke the freedom to choose the fate of the Galaxy - without any guarantee that Luke will choose correctly. This point was then made explicit with Episode 1, which is literally history repeating itself all over again because of the heroes’ ideological failure. The metaphorical point of Episode 1 is that there will always be another Palpatine because the Republic’s system generates Palpatines. Killing him is pointless when we need a radical change to the system itself. Episode 9, in literally bringing back Palpatine and saying he was behind it all, is not only redundant but a regression.
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Mandrel posted:there really isn’t any reason they couldn’t have just had Hayden Christensen Anakin in TPM. nothing in the plot requires him to be that young, and it actually would make more sense and flow a lot better if he was like 17 which Hayden was at the time of filming. One of the major themes in Phantom Menace is that everyone is way too young to be involved in this poo poo. It’s basically the whole joke of doing a ‘kids movie’ about the rise of fascism: the plucky, preternaturally talented ten-year-old kills like a million people. Anakin is way too young to fall in love with Padme, and so she ends up being a surrogate mother that he has sex with in later films. Yikes! Basically, you’re making things ‘flow better’ by removing the drama and overall weirdness.
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The ST films are more directly analogous to the Jurassic World trilogy.
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exquisite tea posted:I can't think of a single original concept in TLJ besides Canto Blight, a segment everybody hates. By the end the story has regressed so much that we're back to rebels vs. empire all over again. Force projection is cool I guess. Canto Bight isn't new; pointing out that all these ships and guns are necessarily produced in factories somewhere was half of Episode 2. Canto Bight actually does it worse - telling you these people are arms dealers, instead of showing it. Asserting that Star Wars takes place in a matrix-like virtual reality is weird and dumb, but not too shocking. People just take it as more mystical hoo-ha to tune out. The actual new idea in TLJ is to put the rebels in the spotlight when, previously, they were mainly background characters in Luke's story. (Not even Rogue One did this.) That's why it's a relatively shocking twist that the rebels suck rear end. Like, they're just awful.
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Mike N Eich posted:I'm less interested in everyone getting on the same page re: TLJ than figuring out how the movie that was released was released. There's no way that film wasn't focus group'd to poo poo beforehand and they didn't have some inkling that it would be polarizing. TFA was clearly made very *safely* and they knew they wouldn't rock a lot of boats releasing it. How did TLJ get through? DisneyLucasfilm’s M.O. - on every Star Wars film - has been to give the directors relative free reign, and then edit the poo poo out of whatever they turn in. These edits are done fast and cheap - ADR, rewriting the opening crawl, etc. Reshoots are done ”if necessary”, but they’re doing as little of that as they can get away with. Lots of actors talking in front of blank backdrops. This is why there’s a random shot of Rey being horribly stabbed in the spine during the red room fight. The scene was obviously totally reconfigured late in production. (Maybe it was deemed too violent? Who knows?) But instead of shooting new footage of Rey not being stabbed, they just digitally erased the knife sticking out of her back. That’s cheaper and easier. Despite what you’ve likely heard, TLJ and TFA were both both about equally tinkered with. It’s just that TFA’s changes were like “make FN the comic relief instead of the protagonist, and include dozens of references to Luke to hype up the next film”, while TLJ’s changes were like “eliminate all criticism of the rebellion. The rebels can’t fail; they can only be failed. Also remove most of the comedy.”
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Timby posted:SMG is not a stranger to fabricating stories about TFA having extensive re-shoots. Just so you know. DisneyLucasfilm has actively concealed and fabricated making-of information as part of their Star Wars branding. They’re seemingly trying to eliminate speculation about ‘director’s cuts’. Recall how Gareth Edwards claimed the footage used in the Rogue One trailers was just randomly shot for fun. We now know those scenes were reshot by Tony Gilroy (these edits are also why the pacing of the first act is janky, and the marketplace gunfight is cut like poo poo). In any case, you’re mainly quibbling over how significant these reshoots and such were. Like, “they only spent a week or three removing the film’s protagonist (and redoing every scene with Lupita Nyongo, removing the Ben Solo twist, etc.)” - repeating the company line that Abrams did all this because he was just such a perfectionist or something. But the proof is in the pudding, as they say. You can say they didn’t really change anything in TLJ, but there’s Rey getting stabbed in the spine. Onscreen. And if Rey was originally stabbed at that point in the narrative, what are we to make of the entire ending where she’s all gleefully blowing up fighters? What necessitated the extremely clumsy bit where Hux exposits that “she took Snoke’s escape craft”? “Softening Holdo’s characterization” amounted to changing the entire rebel chase narrative - i.e. the central narrative of the film - and this has a profound effect on the film’s protagonist, Poe. These are extremely drastic changes, not just fine-tuning.
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Polo-Rican posted:This is so jarring and weird to me that i always thought it must have been reshot, or re-edited into an entirely new sequence. Wouldn't be surprised if the burning room was intended to be another area completely. It's been confirmed that FN was originally captured by a bunch of those background Stormtroopers at the end of the Phasma swordfight scene. FN convinces the Stormtroopers to rise up against Phasma, so she kills them and continues the duel. Since that part was changed, it's likely that they decided to digitally erase the Stormtroopers and/or recut the scene so that they don't appear at all. Johnson had filmed multiple scenes in which the Stormtroopers are humanized, but they were all cut. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Nov 5, 2019 |
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Schwarzwald posted:While we're (sorta kinda) on the topic, have you considered doing any more work on that TFA re-edit, or is that mostly a done project? Yeah, I should say I'm sorry about that. Things were going really well, but then the janky editing software I was using poo poo the bed. I ended up having to redo the part where Rey and FN meet eachother like three times because of corrupted saves - and it just turned into a chore, y'know? Like, pretty much all the work was done, so now it's a matter of going through the motions of reconstructing what was already completed. Maybe it'll happen eventually. AccountSupervisor posted:Super curious as to what the hell is going on with these changes. The information's all over the place, but I'm interpreting it based on my own examination of the editing in the films, and how those choices impact the narrative. Like, the basic question: why is Phasma back in the movie at all? The answer is apparently that, in earlier versions of the film, FN's defection has caused the enslaved Stormtroopers to become increasingly disobedient. He's triggered a slave revolt, and Phasma is pissed because it's undermining her life's work. This would be a progression from the previous film, where FN was just in it to kill the baddies. Now he would be fighting Phasma to emancipate the Stormtroopers, as part of a prequel-style critique of the "good versus evil" thing. This is why, for example, they cut the scene where Tom Hardy cameos as a friendly Stormtrooper. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Nov 5, 2019 |
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kidkissinger posted:Pretty hosed up to deadname an escaped slave That's how it's spelt. Like the movie 'RWD' is pronounced 'Rewind', but nonethless spelt 'RWD'.
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thrawn527 posted:Like, I know making poo poo up as long as it isn't directly contradicted by something in the films themselves is your thing, but do credits count? If you'd like to go down that road, then your screenshot shows there are two Chewbaccas: Chewbacca and Chewbacca Double. Twobaccas.
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I may accept that his first name is spelt "Finn" if we also accept that his last name is spelt "Toowonaitseven".Clipperton posted:if you're going down that road you should be writing all the names in aurebesh I'm writing in a loose of approximation of the (canonical!) language "Star Wars 76", which bears some similarities to Aurebesh, but more closely resembles English.
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The debate over Holdo’s Plan is a red herring because, even though the plan is objectively bad (she could have, at any point, instantly sent a team to activate the radio using the hyperspace pod(s)), it’s a distraction from the context that the Resistance are basically Contras. Arguing over who should lead them is pointless. Because of franchise thinking, everyone ignores that The Last Jedi opens with an assault on an isolated military base. A nonzero number of people in the audience are watching this as their first-ever Star Wars film. So: what is expressed here? Why are we to support this military base? (Why doesn’t the base have anti-aircraft shields when those were evidently standard issue 40 years earlier? Why don’t they have a radio?)
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porfiria posted:Not that this hasn't been pointed out before, but it's really notable how grounded the first two trilogies are in political conflicts with extremely clear real world analogues (democracy falling into despotism and insurgency/civil war). What is the ST even depicting? The closest thing seems to be Weimar Germany but, like, really dumb. Well that’s where we get into the authentically feminist take: factoring in all the socioeconomic context with her actions, Holdo knows the Resistance is poo poo. She could send people to activate the radio but doesn’t, because she knows in her heart that there’ll be no response. No backup is on the way. So, while she’s trying to keep morale up with inspirational speeches, Holdo’s actual goal is now merely to quit. The Resistance is over. They already have infinitely less support and funding under the New Republic than the Rebel Alliance did under the fuckin' Empire. No shields, no radios. Janky, prequel-era bombers. The Resistance is widely despised except by kids who still think James Bond is cool because he uses gadgets. This is why Holdo is so ready to sacrifice the three remaining ships, and why she prevents Poe fighting back. There’s no future for this organization. All she can do is minimize casualties. Keep in mind, of course, that Poe is also an idiot. A single rocket took out his entire airforce, and now his plan is to blow up these millions of capital ships, one-by-one, with harebrained schemes? This isn’t a Death Star situation where the baddies were in a tenuous position and put all their eggs in one basket. The First Order has ascended virtually unopposed, with overwhelming popular support and a stronger military than Palpatine’s. They don’t need fear to keep the local systems in line, because they are the local systems. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Nov 19, 2019 |
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euphronius posted:Are you under the impression that Holdo was a Sith or imperial ? Nobody in Episode 8 is Sith or Imperial. If you want to be specific, Holdo is Vice-Admiral of a covert, off-books navy (poorly) funded by a select few members of the New Republic's largest political party, the Republican party. The First Order is the second-largest political party in the New Republic. Although it's an open secret, this covert navy is nonetheless kept secret specifically because it's engaged in anti-democratic subterfuge, carrying out military operations on worlds where the First Order was elected. The mere existence of this covert navy is implicitly illegal and, so, we can argue that Holdo is not part of the New Republic at all. She has effectively renounced her citizenship to do this stuff. Holdo answers only to Leia, whose monarchism is another open secret. "[General Leia] will always be royalty to me," said Tekka. It's in this context that Holdo wears not only the garb of the political class, but a crown. That's what Poe did not expect. Like, sure, he's sexist. But sexism doesn't happen in a vacuum. He's understandably wary of this cult-like elitism. Is this what he signed up for?
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Terror Sweat posted:I still don't get why the resistance was so small. The first order blew up 4 planets, literally every single living being alive would be pissed or afraid after that, and a lot of that fear would be gone after that weapon was destroyed. There should be a giant resistance in every single star system and habitable area, protests and insurrection everywhere. The question kinda answers itself: "The Resistance" is not the actual resistance. There are undoubtedly plenty of people against the First Order, but The Resistance is just this tiny, lovely little militia trying to bring back the rule of kings. They don't stand for anything good, and nobody likes them. TLJ even has dialogue to the effect that there are plenty of legitimate rebels out there - but, when Leia asks if she can join, the answer is an unanimous "no, eat poo poo". SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Nov 19, 2019 |
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The ultimate spoiler is when the movie comes out, and you watch it, and it sucks.
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