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cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Calico Heart posted:

Wait wait Darth Maul is in this movie?

Does that mean Disney are actually acknowledging the prequels exist???

Wait so how much loving older is Han Solo than Luke if Darth Maul is around in this movie???

How can Han not believe in the force if he's old enough to live in a world with a loving jedi council and Darth Maul???


VVV: Yeah he says that in a hushed voice and very quickly moves on so the audience doesn't spend too much time remembering the prequels

It's set about 10 years after Revenge of the Sith, it's just that Darth Maul is still alive. He has robo-legs.

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cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Escobarbarian posted:

Has anyone said how the Lord/Miller version of this movie would have been better yet? Because I will. The Lord/Miller version of this movie would definitely have been better. They probably wouldn’t have had anything as stupid as making Lando upset about the death of a ridiculous anarchist fuckbot either.

why are we all calling her a "fuckbot". thats a bit weird.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Cross-Section posted:

Anecdotally, it sucked being a young fan in the Prequel era. I had a few friends who liked Star Wars, but on the whole, admitting you enjoyed anything of the then-current films was basically painting a big "I'M A DORK, BULLY ME" sign on your tween back.

What? They were very popular films, especially with children. I’m pretty sure bullies don’t pick their targets by their taste in Star Wars films. (If they did life would just be a little bit funnier.)

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Cross-Section posted:

Not solely, no, but if you really believe that kids don't often bully other kids for the most inconsequential poo poo (such as "liking the prequels") then I dunno what to tell you.

I'm not trying to tell you that you weren't bullied but by definition an inconsequential thing doesn't really matter. I'm sure somewhere there is a bully who is beating up kids for playing hockey or whatever but hockey plays a very small part in that equation.

(This is related to Star Wars spoilers because, uh, my uncle who works at Lucasfilm told me this is the plot of Episode IX.)

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

what's funny about "attack of the clones"? this is a genuine question, i really don't get what's wrong with it.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Remaking the prequels is a really stupid idea and I don't know why anyone thinks it would ever happen.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Wren610 posted:

Are they still doing the whole penis embargo thing i haven't been keeping up?

What?

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

real star wars viewing order: II, the Bail Organa episodes of Clone Wars, III, the Bail Organa episodes of Rebels, Rogue One.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Sadly not, but it’s the guy who played Vamp in MGS2 so that makes up for it.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Snoke was a major player. And then he died. So it goes.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

all Rian Johnson had to do to make a good film was to shoot my awful fanfiction

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Wheat Loaf posted:

Right. And there have been reports of leaked scenes of some characters having an audience with the Hutts. All this leads me to believe that the Reylo love child will probably be going ahead.

From what I remember those "reports" were awfully similar to some guy's fanfiction that was written like a year ago.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

I said come in! posted:

Money made doesn't equate to favorable reception. Audience opinion after seeing the Last Jedi was mostly negative.

looks like it's time for 20 pages of the most annoying discussion ever, again

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Darth TNT posted:

How did you know this would happen? :aaa: Do you maybe have some lottery numbers you could share?

i have the remarkable, almost supernatural ability to remember things that happened in the past and use these memories to shape my expectations for the future

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

here comments were a bit rich white feminist-y but also all the worst people in the world jumped on her for it for the "feminist" part of that rather than the "rich white" part so in conclusion captain marvel is a land of contrasts

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

I don't know if the stuff about re-editing Finn is at all accurate, but I am fairly certain that The Force Awakens was at least heavily recut, if not reshot. Like, wasn't there a whole sequence involving a Resistance super-weapon of some kind in the original version? And Maz Kanata originally came along with the Resistance to Takodana, as demonstrated by the lightsaber handover between her and Leia in the second teaser.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

i too love getting mad online on behalf of the walt disney company because someone is mildly weirded out about a kids movie possibly featuring a 30-year-old guy going out with a teenager

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Preston Waters posted:

I'm sorry you're so neurotic. You should probably go see a psychiatrist in case it's undiagnosed aspergers.

The rest of us have not received any indication that Rey is a teenager. But even if she was and is over 18 it's completely legal. Also as someone with parents who are 9 years apart who have been happily married for 35 years, 11 years doesn't seem like that big of a deal.

Feel free to continue making GBS threads up the thread about being triggered by a big nothingburger though.

you don't have to be like this friend. we love you. the star wars spoilers thread is here to help

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Yes and yes.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Something something hyperspace signatures.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

The Last Jedi has enough moments of characters saying out loud what the point of the scene is that i think you should probably be able to handle the film letting just one of its scenes speak for itself

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

the quoted post right above offers an interpretation. do you agree with it? why/why not? how would you interpret the scene instead? what leads you to that conclusion?

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Glottis posted:

I honestly don't really get the obsession with the original theatrical release. From what I can tell the changes they made are either (a) good, (b) quick and forgettable, or (c) one awful CGI musical number that I wish I hadn't just remembered.

A decent amount of changes fall into (a) and (b) but there's a lot under the "awful CGI" category that you've forgotten about, e.g. most of the Tatooine CG additions in Episode IV. recently watched the THX 1138 director's cut for the first time and that suffers from the same issues too.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Neo Rasa posted:

The THX-1138 director's cut is excellent IMO and actually achieves the scope he was going for and complements what he wanted to do with the movie consistently. Note that the changes weren't all necessarily CG being added into shots but stuff like the TV scene just being re-shot completely and having some shots shrunken down a bit and placed within the CG backgrop and also subtle All Cockpit Glass In Revenge of the Sith is CG level stuff like the typography and signage being altered in some spots to be more readable or/and look less like a dollar store employees only sign from the 70s. I think the only change I thought sucked when it dropped is towards the end when Donald Pleasence is shook by that odd CG scorpion spidery creature? It was way more effective thematically for the character when it was just a common mouse.

Some of said CG hasn't aged well, but I respect what he did with it at the time waaaaaay more than several of the Star Wars special edition changes.

Obviously it sucks rear end that like the OT the originals isn't officially available anymore though. :(

Most of the CG changes aren't as awful as the ones in the OT, but certain stuff has the air of decisions like the extra robots in the background of Mos Eisley - unnecessary and distracting. There are also two more major moments of shoddy CG: the extension to the start of the car chase, and the monkey-men at the end. Probably more what he wanted the monkey-men to look like, whatever, but it's still very poorly done. (You're probably right that there's plenty of good stuff too, but I haven't seen the original.)

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Blast Fantasto posted:

The funny thing about “not having palpatine in this story would be crazy!” is that that line of thinking way more makes sense for Anakin who has a major presence as the fallen hero in the PT and the redeemed villain in the OT and who could conceivably appear in the ST as a full on hero/guiding mentor.

But literally no one would want this because it mean

A. Doubling down on the whole “anakin’s force ghost is a 25 year old man for some reason”
B. Bringing back the person who delivered maybe the single worst acting performance in the entire franchise

can't believe the bastards at disney are refusing to bring back Sebastian Shaw, a man who has been dead for 25 years, as Anakin Skywalker

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Payndz posted:

It's kind of mindblowing that a movie seemingly built on "let's take what you've seen before and mess with it!" didn't go the opposite way to Empire at that point and have the hero join the villain. You had one film end on a cliffhanger, why not the next? Two years of "holy poo poo, she said yes! What's going to happen next?" would raise a hell of a lot more anticipation than "so the good guys are gonna rebuild and take on the bad guys, somehow, I guess?"

I mean, who didn't take Revan down the Dark Side ending? At least in an alternate save.

I get that "subverting expectations" is the meme about The Last Jedi but the other subversions at least have reasons to exist. This would just be stupid.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

TerminalRaptor posted:

Why would it be stupid?
Rey spent the entire movie being rejected by a legendary figure she idolized. The resistance is clearly lead by a bunch of morons and has been decimated. Kylo wants to work with her. She knows Kylo and the first order are dangerous and if she stays with Kylo, maybe she can be the voice of reason and do good.

It's no dumber than the stupidity of everything else that happens prior.

Are you asking why it would be stupid to have the hero of the film become a fascist because Luke Skywalker was a bit mean to her?

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Parrotine posted:

Been watching some scenes from the prequel trilogy since I haven't seen any of the movies in over a decade.

Yikes these CGI scenes have aged terribly. Not as bad as the late 90's revamps of the OG trilogy, but that gets a bit of a pass since the tech was still in its newborn stages.

Everything looks like low-end video game cutscenes in these prequels, especially in Attack of the Clones. Didn't these flicks have a small army doing the computer work for these things? I'd say maybe they should try and tighten up the rendering of some of these scenes, but they're also not great movies in general so it'd feel like a waste of resources :shrug:

if only George Lucas had listened to your sage advice and tightened up the graphics on level 3

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

get this - DJ and Kylo, right? they're both meant to be wrong. pretty big scoop here.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

you think the film didn't make it clear enough that the guy who betrays the heroes and gets paid off in nazi gold is not a nice guy?

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

okay, pretend the word in my post was "wrong" instead.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

his last line of dialogue in the film is literally him admitting that he was probably wrong.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

that the best defence he can offer of his entire philosophy that he sets up for himself is "maybe" is an admission that it's an act he uses to justify his own selfishness. kylo's philosophy of "letting the past die" is similarly not genuine.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Kylo's idea of stopping the conflict is to get his girlfriend to be a dictator with him. DJ's motto is "live free, don't join" while he tries his hardest to profit from the conflict in the same way as the arms dealers do. but the thing is with conflicts of this nature is you can't just pretend they don't exist. you can't have peace while the conflict is still going on and you ultimately will have to pick a side. they are pretending to be neutral, not to have chosen a side, but both are ultimately aligned with the fascists.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

pospysyl posted:

DJ and Rose are meant to be read as foils. Most of the Casino Night Zone plotline is exposition on the nature of the weapon traders on Canto Bight. Both DJ and Rose share a deeper perspective on what those weapon traders represent than Finn, the audience surrogate. DJ's explanation that the traders sold weapons to the Resistance is deeper than Rose's, but not incongruous. Rose and DJ's perspectives sync up to an extent, hence Rose allowing DJ to use her super special necklace; they understand each other.

Where DJ and Rose diverge is their ultimate political conclusions. DJ believes that the Canto Bight people discredit both sides of the conflict, so it's best to just look out for yourself. Rose doesn't believe this because....well, who knows. The movie does want us to side with Rose because she's nice and DJ's mean, but that's neither satisfying nor persuasive.

Rose doesn't believe that because she thinks it's good to fight fascists, and bad to not fight fascists. the resistance (and the republic before it in the prequels, and the rebellion) are not perfect (because they are liberals) but are better than the first order or the empire (who are fascists).

cargohills fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Dec 11, 2019

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Gonz posted:

ROTJ Luke: “I know there is good in you. The Emperor hasn't driven it from you fully.That was why you couldn't destroy me. That's why you won't bring me to your Emperor now.”

TLJ Luke: “Somebody had a BAD DREAM! TIME TO DIE!”

No wonder Hamill is so disillusioned with Star Wars now.


Now I want to see a sequel that deals with anarchism.

he cuts his father's hand off in a rage after saying that first line there.

pospysyl posted:

Okay, but you realize this is a false dilemma, right? Having to choose between fascists and a bunch of fractious children who literally cannot make a decision to save their lives sucks. TLJ could have conveyed DJ's choice to abandon both sides by having him found a third faction that's better than both of the others, or request to have his family freed from slavery, but TLJ frames his decision as straightforwardly selfish and wrong. From this, we can gather the movie is making one of two arguments:

1) Yours, that solidarity is important enough to require choosing the lesser of two evils; or

2) It's not a false choice, the Resistance is inherently good.

While I disagree with 1, I would respect it, but I think it's more likely the movie believes 2. The Resistance's relationship with slave-owning arms dealers is insufficient to make it bad. There's no reason for Rose or anybody else to think that the Resistance is actually worth supporting instead of finding some other solution.

the resistance is implicated in buying arms (which they'll have to supply somehow) and make some tactical blunders but are otherwise portrayed as good-hearted and genuine. they come across as a hell of a lot better than the corrupt republic, and even that is worth fighting to restore according to the six films which George Lucas was involved in. (and, not to go too into real politics talk, there have in real life been wars fought by bad people against much, much worse people, and in the same way stepping back from them would not have helped anyone.)

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014


this is a very obvious fake. it's not an official channel and the top comment, by the guy who posted it, describes it as fan made.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014


I really don't get the shock about this online. They're reusing old unused footage, like they said they would, and they touched it up a bit to make it fit the story/setting of the new film. What a surprise. Gladiator did something similar in 2000 with Oliver Reed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCkZr5k6ZjA

cargohills fucked around with this message at 02:35 on Dec 15, 2019

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

I watched the film. I enjoyed it. It was very stupid and therefore good.

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cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Shaocaholica posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5lcmryG2RA

Apparently Lucas 'never' wrote any treatments for 7/8/9. I wonder what he has to say about that. Especially in the wake of RotS.

He never wrote any scripts. He may or many not have written treatments or story ideas.

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