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Given the ending I guess Mace Windu really was loving up Palp something fierce after all? Same thing this time only without Anakin around to save him. They even did the same setup with Rey dabbling in the dark side like Windu did.
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Darko posted:This movie had a thing about Force energy that seemed to be playing off of Luke's death. Use all your force energy, you die. They did another callback to the prequel trilogy as well with the whole thing where Palpatine told Anakin the Sith can bring people back to life, and it turns out it was actually a Jedi power. They should have had force ghosts around during that whole scene with ghost Windu saying "Told you motherfuckers I had him beat" and getting his ghost bux off the others while ghost Anakin loses his poo poo.
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Dec 22, 2019 06:28
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TulliusCicero posted:The Trilogy would have benefited from a unified narrative arc from the beginning. If this is the story of the Fall of the House of Skywalker and the return of Palpatine, we should have been clued into that from the beginning. It would have been nice to have more Snoke. He was a fun/interesting character that was well-acted and a good change from the cackling evil of Palpatine. The fight that followed his death was the highlight of TLJ in my opinion and Serkis did a great job playing the character. Given that his appearance gave the impression he'd been sliced-up before I was hoping that wasn't the last we saw of him.
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Dec 22, 2019 10:16
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Benson Cunningham posted:I think it was a big miss when Palpatine was like "I am all the Sith" that Vader didn't appear behind Rey and say some snarky version of, "except one" and then together they overpowered him. Only if Windu appears as well and says "gently caress this up again. I dare you. I double dare you motherfucker" to Anakin.
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Dec 25, 2019 05:14
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Zoran posted:The reason is that more people are reaching the immortal truth that the prequels are good and the sequels are not I've come to realize that the prequels actually had some good stuff in them now the sequel trilogy has concluded. People were talking about merch earlier and I realized that aside from Kylo and his new lightsaber, there wasn't anything really new or fun/interesting. The prequels had the pod racing which was enjoyable and cool, we got some really interesting villains like Maul and Grievous who had great designs and the lightsaber battles were great, they went really acrobatic and provided a spectacle. We even got to see Yoda have a great fight with Palpatine and the effects were bad like a lot of stuff in the prequels but it was still entertaining to watch. It makes me wonder what it would be like if they had made those prequels today instead with the better technology available. Also, although I think he failed to pull it off, at least trying with that huge Jedi fight in the arena was cool and Lucas seemed to at least be trying to balance the plot and politics with all the action scenes. If they could have got someone like James Cameron to direct that kinda stuff it would have been great. The only thing from the sequel trilogy that is memorable is the Kylo/Rey team-up fight after Snoke is killed, which is coated with disappointment that one of the most interesting characters in the cast was killed off.
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Dec 27, 2019 04:46
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Everyone posted:Perhaps, but at the same time, almost all answers to the burning "Who is Rey"/"Who is Snoke" are guaranteed to be loving lame. In TFA Snoke came off as a second-tier take on Palpatine. Even if he turns out to be Darth Plagueis/Darth Bane reborn, he's still basically having Palpatine's sloppy seconds in terms of being the Emperor. In TFA the First Order mostly comes off as a really well-funded terrorist group. That's a far cry from ruler of the galaxy. The origins aren't the point, though. The characters of the sequel trilogy were mostly terrible, but Snoke was interesting and very well-acted by Andy Serkis chewing the gently caress out of the scenery and his absence left Adam Driver carrying everything. Johnson going "Who cares?" is Johnson failing to recognize what he has to work with and removing Snoke just left a gaping hole and so of course, nothing else to do after that other than bring the emperor back. If Snoke really was Plagueis and they were dead set on bring Palpatine back you instantly have a really interesting setup for the finale with two great Sith wanting to take each other out. They still could have had Kylo take him out but Snoke needed a lot more screentime in my opinion because he's one of the only characters from the sequel trilogy that was fun to watch. Seeing him confront Palpatine would have been really enjoyable, especially if they went with the Plagueis angle and Serkis/McDiarmid were hamming it up like crazy.
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Dec 27, 2019 05:28
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Baronash posted:Smoke was a cardboard cutout and dying was literally the only interesting thing that happened with his character. Seeing Snoke arrive on Exogol and walk into Sheev's chamber with the same arrogance and put-downs while Sheev barks "Who fuckin' snitched?" before we finally see two Sith have a fight would have been fun. Polo-Rican posted:Really? Nothing else to do? I can think of a lot of things they could have done with the already-too-large cast besides bringing back a character that hadn't been mentioned once in the new trilogy. Maybe, I just think a lot of that cast was absolute pants and really boring to watch. I think we're different audiences though, I'm not a big Star Wars fan and just like the spectacle from certain things and the possibilities for dumb fun, if I want good story and plot I'll be watching something else.
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Dec 27, 2019 05:53
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Eimi posted:Like at the very least you can't say it didn't make some iconic images. The visual poetry on screen is insanely compelling. From Holdo's sacrifice to the throne room fight to Luke facing down the first order, it's all visually gorgeous and sticks with me, and I think it would be something even those who hate the movie can at least say it looks good. I think the main thing that dragged TLJ down is the whole casino planet thing. The scenes you mentioned were good and I get what they were going after with the casino planet but the whole thing still feels like a huge stain on the film that sucked up screen time that could have been better used elsewhere, like making the space chase less dull so that Holdo's sacrifice is less "Okay that was awesome but thank gently caress that poo poo's over" to maybe taking some cues from Fury Road about how to keep a chase exciting. I actually thought Solo was a fun movie with my only gripe being that Han was miscast, but that sequence warping through space with that giant monster in there while a Destroyer chases them, it was fairly short if I remember but a real spectacle. Meanwhile in TLJ it felt like it dragged forever which is the last thing a chase should feel like, and combined with the casino planet it made the movie feel like a slog, I think.
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Dec 27, 2019 07:20
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Mulva posted:That's like saying "Why did he make a giant proclamation that he was going to gently caress up everyone's day later on when he could have said literally nothing and just hosed up everyone's day with his fleet?". The answer is it's a bad movie. I think that was probably to justify people coming to help with Lando at the end. Nobody came to help in TLJ presumably because they didn't care or thought there wasn't much of a threat, but Palpatine telling everyone he was coming to gently caress their poo poo up likely prompted everyone to band together for that assault on Exogol. I'm just assuming that's why that happened anyways, since Luke rumors would probably be considered flimsy reasoning but an outright declaration of war will prompt a "Oh poo poo we need to do something" response. How the hell they all successfully flew there and were able to navigate in that space when Palp's fleet needed the radar thing is beyond me, though. I guess that's why they brought horses? First Order vs Final Order would have been more fun. Snoke would have hosed up Palpatine.
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Dec 27, 2019 10:11
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It's not just that, but ROS also being the final entry in a trilogy of trilogies only makes it harder. They should have had clear scripts for each movie solidified before they even began considering filming, and then lined up a single director for them all. The whole thing has been a mess that's clearly a result of Disney wanting to rush out as many movies as possible the moment that they got the license. Would have been interesting if Hamill/Ford/Fisher declined the films and Disney had to actually stop and think.
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Dec 27, 2019 14:15
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Reminds me of Endgame having such a 'thrown together hastily five minutes after Infinity War came out' feel. For all their big plans and yearly releases, they don't actually prepare to any reasonable standard. I thought I was the only one considering how crazy people went for Avengers but yeah, I thought Endgame was complete and utter poo poo (even more so than ROS) and it being the highest-grossing movie of all time or whatever is amazing considering how bad it is. I'm not being hyperbolic when I say it's literally one of the worst films I've ever seen. I don't have anything against Marvel superhero movies (Thor: Raganarok was fun) but I can't fathom how Endgame got the reception that it did.
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Dec 27, 2019 14:47
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2house2fly posted:I don't like the dialogue in the prequels because it doesn't feel like things people would say to each other, and I like stuff that either sounds like things I can imagine real people saying or that is witty or cool or evocative or otherwise interesting, and there's very little dialogue like that I can remember from the prequels. Obi Wan breaking from that whole Jedi calmness thing and freaking out on Anakin with his "You were the chosen one!!" speech was pretty good. Also there's a lot of funny stuff in there like "Did you ever hear..." or "You underestimate my power" etc. The OT had goofy stuff too like Luke's absurd "Noooo!" scream and Han's "I know" which even Ford isn't suave enough to pull off. I think this is probably why I liked Snoke so much, because he was sassy as gently caress and Serkis did such a good job with him. Really wanted more scenes with that guy just insulting everyone. I bet if they stuck to the Plagueis storyline he would have shown up on Exogol, mocked Palpatine and then taken control of the machine he was hooked up to and sent him flying around the room until he force puked everywhere. For thirty minutes. Just thirty minutes of Snoke loving with Palpatine and laughing between one-liners. Would have been one of the best things Disney ever put out, right up there with 101 Dalmations. gently caress yeah.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Bad movies come and go all the time, and nobody pays much attention. Then how did Endgame happen?!?
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Some dude talking about the Obi-Wan vs. Anakin fight:quote:Visual effects supervisor John Knoll and stunt coordinator/fight choreographer Nick Gillard offer insight and trivia on how this epic clash on Mustafar was created, including the silly way the memorable "I have the high ground!" moment came to be. quote:Gillard offered more insight on the battle between Anakin and Obi-Wan, like what he saw as the biggest challenge. How Ewan was able to deliver the high ground line without being in tears of laughter from knowing the origin of it is incredible. Anakin hates sand, he hates slopes...
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Dec 29, 2019 06:48
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Horrible Taste posted:IIRC Edwards was saying in interviews before Rogue One even came out that he was taking a long break from Hollywood and that's why he left the Godzilla sequel that became King of the Monsters. I don't doubt that the clusterfuck that was Rogue One production was a big part of why he decided to take a break. There's also the Disney fuckery with the Solo movie as well. To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if all that stuff was true and JJ Abrams really did get messed around just like the others did. I doubt his version of the movie would have been much (if any) better at all, but given how RoS was obviously chopped to bits and the precedent with other directors I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Jan 2, 2020 15:04
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teagone posted:I spent my Friday night photoshopping what "Punished Solo" might look like because I'm a turbonerd. That "wandering ronin" type a goon mentioned influenced the concept. That's really cool and you're a good artist  You've also sold me on the idea of that kind of movie starring Ben as he just wanders (a series would probably be better, though) silently and tries to do good and redeem himself would be entertaining, like a cross between those wandering ronin movies and old Eastwood westerns. They could have had times he slips because he's still struggling and ends up having to flee whatever planet he's on because of it, as well as still killing him at the end but have it be something better than RoS.
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Jan 5, 2020 07:56
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Vitamin P posted:Like a really basic thing is that in the OT the force does weird new things every new film, it's a bit mystical and not really predictable. Then the prequels and TFA made the force just do things we've seen before but bigger and it sort of sucked and was boring. I did think it was pretty cool that even though he was far away Snoke could still fling Hux around the deck of that Star Destroyer. It was just a bigger version of something we saw before (Vader choking people in close proximity) but Snoke was sassy and fun so he made a good villain, in my opinion. The "Take that silly thing off" chat with Kylo was funny too. I think that was followed by his tantrum and the stormtroopers patrolling nearby then hearing him and doing a 180 instantly? I don't even remember if those scenes were in TFA or RTJ but they were good.
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MJeff posted:Certainly doesn't help that Snoke goes from "the guy that took me in when my parents abandoned me and my shithead uncle tried to kill me and the only person in the galaxy that actually cares about me" to "the guy that I'm 99% sure is jerking me around and I think I'd like to kill him" to "oh hey, he put that lightsaber on his armrest, that'll work." I think Snoke was pretty consistent and of course he would be arrogant enough to put that lightsaber on his armrest. He's so full of himself and it's great, Serkis did a great job with him and he actually had character unlike Palpatine who is just evil cackling and dull. It's why I wish they had gone the Darth Plagueis route and had him be the one going to Exogol to confront Palpatine, the dialogue alone would have been the highlight of the movie. Palpatine would actually have someone to fear and seeing two Sith fight would be entertaining as heck.
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Jan 15, 2020 12:53
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Just Chamber posted:That script is miles better than RoS if not simply for the fact that we get to see Luke as a ghost hanging out with Kylo and the things they could have done there would have been really interesting. Yeah, that's cool. I also like that the script doesn't bring Palpatine back, he stays dead and Kylo fucks up his master when he finds him, who's supposed to be some freaky-looking alien (in a scary way). That plus Kylo being burned and melding his mask to his face is a nice dose of body horror.
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Jan 16, 2020 02:24
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Pollyanna posted:I still don’t quite understand why TLJ is the nexus for all the sequel trilogy hate. It’s an okay movie, but we’ve had mediocre Star Wars movies before and they didn’t kill nearly as much enthusiasm for the series or drum up nearly as much vitriol as TLJ did. The grand majority of hate centers around that film. Why it and not TFA or TROS? They killed Snoke and as SMG said he was the most interesting character.
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Jan 22, 2020 20:12
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I've not seen the cartoons before aside from some clips here and there but this is cool and I wish we could get a Mace Windu movie because I thought he was an interesting character given he was a Jedi that also used the dark side which is why he was loving up Sheev so much, iirc? Dude was cooking bacon effortlessly deflecting all that lightning and probably would have pulled out some eggs if Anakin didn't show up. Just a simple movie with Sam Jackson as older Mace that survived the fall because he's Mace and got some cyborg parts and it revolves around him going after Sheev who's understandably scared of him. Lots of fun fights with him going through various enemies as he pursues Sheev until Vader's all that stands in his way and it's where Vader earns his stripes (since dude's been a jobber for so long now he needs a win) and actually defeats Mace while defending Sheev. Maybe nobody else wants that but I think it would be a fun movie set between episodes 3&4 but idk if Mace is interesting to anyone else for the same reasons and obviously it would have a bad ending since he'd lose to establish Vader's actually really powerful. Maybe it could be more interesting if they showed him succumbing more and more to the dark side throughout the film or something and that's his eventual downfall but it couldn't be worse than any of the other movies right? 
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I was kinda expecting a reveal of Snoke actually being Mace since he looked so hosed up (His design looked like he'd clearly been sliced up a lot and healed previously due to all the scars?) and it sorta fit into the not really being Sith/Jedi which was the same area Mace occupied. He was a fun character too and Andy Serkis was great as him. The throne room fight was fun but I expected Snoke to live since he'd clearly been sliced up plenty of times before and I wish we'd had him force levitating his torso and just laughing while chasing Kylo around and mocking him.
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I'd love a Mace Windu story. They could just have old man Windu as a very bitter worn-down half-cyborg lone samurai type that's purely out for revenge. Show how hosed up he is and how his previously delicate balance between Jedi & Sith has given way to much stronger Sith leanings and he's purely out for revenge. Have him after Sheev after discovering Anakin disappeared which leads to him boarding a Destroyer slaughtering everyone (like Luke in that one Mandalorian episode where he looks like Vader) and maybe using some Sith powers to show how far gone he is and Sheev genuinely being terrified of him because Windu pretty much had him beat last time. Climax is him getting to Sheev's throne room and meeting Vader for the first time and just having a flashy yet brutal fight with Windu fighting Vader & Sheev which isn't easy for them, but in the end Vader actually wins (he's jobbed so hard for so long he needs a good win and him against a Windu that's given in to the dark side with all his rage and bitterness would be apt imo) so we actually get something that shows just how powerful he really is and also get to see Windu loving poo poo up as well. Doesn't need to be a TV show, just make it a movie where we get to enjoy the most powerful force users going batshit for a while. I'm not a hardcore fan and just like the fun cool stuff when it comes to Star Wars so this might be everyone's worst nightmare idk but I think it would be a fun movie v  v
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Wolfsheim posted:Imagine they do this but instead of doing the Boba thing where they make a story about the most feared bounty hunter in the galaxy being a very friendly and upstanding business owner they go hard in the opposite direction and its about Mace being a total psychopath, just doing war crimes and executing surrendering stormtroopers and the like This is what I'd like to see. I thought his whole thing was that he wasn't pure Jedi but part Sith as well so an old and bitter Mace that's kinda been Vader'd and had a lot of his body replaced just giving in to the dark side while pursuing revenge would be refreshing. Maybe not the cheery story everyone would like but it would be interesting to see the former Jedi leader succumb to the dark side and get really close to killing Sheev & Vader before inevitably losing, ideally in a very brutal way where he's gone full Sith before he gets hacked to pieces  Whoever mentioned Tarantino was a good pick, even if Disney would never approve it. Would need a good cast of inquisitors or whatever for him to slaughter and torture on his way as well, like Takeshi Kitano, Nic Cage & Charlie Sheen 
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Robot Style posted:That's an old fan theory that stems entirely from him having a purple lightsaber (because bad guys have red lightsabers and good guys have blue lightsabers and purple is a mix of both, but also let's just ignore green). I'm not a big enough fan to know about EU stuff (aside from a funny Vader comic panel I saw somewhere) and my appreciation is hollow, I just like the cool/weird things in these films e.g. unironically thought Serkis as Snoke was a fun character and Yoda being a combat frog is amazing and so on. The whole reason I thought Windu was like that (and therefore particularly interesting) stemmed from that whole "Did Windu really have Sheev beat?" debate thingy where Lucas commented that Windu turning Sheev into bacon by frying him with his own lightning was because he studied the dark side too and any other Jedi would have lost. Or something? It's been a long time but I just vaguely recall that and thinking Windu was more interesting because of it. Maybe Lucas didn't say that though and I'm thinking of something else? I know it's a tired debate though and don't intend to open that whole can of worms again. euphronius posted:Windu is not a great guy and earned his just deserts That's why he's fun imo and angry mean Windu torturing some clueless inquisitor for Sheev's whereabouts and asking if he looks like a crispy bitch would be high art Psyche out Vader for always craving bacon when in the presence of his master. Also need Windu being thrown down a large shaft or blown out into space only to walk on the surface of the destroyer and bang on the window silently mouthing "motherfucker" before cutting his way back in with his lightsaber and leaving Sheev exasperated with how to actually kill the dude. Vader breathing even heavier than usual, "Shiiiiiiiit..." This isn't ridiculous because Leia already did it.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Thing is with Mace Windu is meant to be, especially in contrast to Yoda, the edgy badass Jedi, who walks as close to the Dark Side as you can get while remaining within the orthodoxy. Kind of a theme in the EU stuff is that he's one of the only people who is mentally and morally stable to actually maintain that; I think it's said everyone else he's taught his fighting style to ends up falling to the Dark Side. So has he killed more younglings than Anakin?
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