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 Welcome to Wir Sind Das Volk 2+2 Wir Sind Das Volk is a twilight struggle-esque game that pits East Germany versus West Germany (or, alternatively, communism versus capitalism). The rules for the base game (including the balance changes) can be found here. 2+2 is an expansion for Wir Sind Das Volk which adds two extra sides: the USA and the USSR. This pits two sides against each other: West Germany and the USA on one side and East Germany and the USSR on the other. However, there can only be one winner, and what at the start of the game is a solid alliance descends into bickering by the end of the game. The rules for 2+2 can be found here. I'm looking for 4 players to go through a semi-narrative game of 2+2, which I will be running (using a mixture of the Vassal module and my own deck of 2+2 cards). Experience is not necessary. First come, first served. Thread Rules: - I will be creating a discord to facilitate discourse/bickering etc. If you can't join discord, let me know. I'm setting up the discord so that I am able to view all private conversations between all players, and also so that I can keep a record of what's going on. - Orders to construct stuff etc need to be written in #Bold with a hash symbol in front. - If you have any questions, please post them in the thread. - Feel free to do your own RPing/making speeches/whatever you want. I will try to provide some historical flavour in my progress updates (although some of the events I have little knowledge of).  Players: - Dancer as the USSR  - Mr. Squishy as the USA  - Epicurius as the DDR  - Vivian Darkbloom as the FRG 
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May 14, 2018 12:39
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I wanna join. Ideally as #motherrussia.
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May 14, 2018 12:45
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I'll join, preferring to be the FRG
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May 14, 2018 12:47
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I'll join as DDR.
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May 14, 2018 13:10
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Id like to play.
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May 14, 2018 13:42
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Alright I've updated the original post with sides. I'll create the discord and post the starting setup tonight (GMT)!
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May 14, 2018 13:51
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Out of interest, what's everyone's experience level with this game? Mine's 0, besides hearing everyone say how good it is.
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May 14, 2018 15:24
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Sorry I missed the deadline, but I'll be watching this thread closely. I played an all-4-sides learning round of this recently and was impressed with how well the 2+2 expansion works.
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May 14, 2018 15:31
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Oh btw, unfortunately some of the cards are going to be text rather than graphics. I can't find 2+2 card scans online so cards will only be visible for the standard WsdV cards.
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May 14, 2018 15:44
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If they're in the Vassal mod you can extract them from that by opening the vmod file with winrar.
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May 14, 2018 16:01
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Mr. Squishy posted:Out of interest, what's everyone's experience level with this game? Mine's 0, besides hearing everyone say how good it is. Don't even know the rules at this point in time. Not like I'll need it to wipe the floor with you capitalist scum.
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May 14, 2018 16:10
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Mr. Squishy posted:If they're in the Vassal mod you can extract them from that by opening the vmod file with winrar.
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May 14, 2018 16:14
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This is a very good game 1v1, and I have no idea how can they make it a team exercise. Can the peanut gallery access the Discord as well, Tek?
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May 14, 2018 16:25
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Fat Samurai posted:This is a very good game 1v1, and I have no idea how can they make it a team exercise. Can the peanut gallery access the Discord as well, Tek? There's a board extension with the superpower tracks. Also, a new deck of superpower-focused cards. Each half-decade has half original cards and half 2+2 cards. The game play is semi-team-based: If the FRG beats the GDR and the US leads the USSR, the US wins. If the FRG beats the GDR and the USSR leads the US, the FRG wins. And so on. It quickly becomes intuitive and adds a new dynamic where you might find yourself holding back from a move that would trigger victory in the base game until you can force your "partner" into a losing position. This is a difficult balance.
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May 14, 2018 16:39
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Yeah I don't mind other goons joining the discord, but I'll probably only allow access to the channels where all four players have access, so that spectators can't spy for other sides (as thematic as that would be).
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May 14, 2018 16:41
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CaptainRightful posted:There's a board extension with the superpower tracks. Also, a new deck of superpower-focused cards. Each half-decade has half original cards and half 2+2 cards. The game play is semi-team-based: If the FRG beats the GDR and the US leads the USSR, the US wins. If the FRG beats the GDR and the USSR leads the US, the FRG wins. And so on.
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May 14, 2018 16:54
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Thanks. The first time I heard of this it sounded like a radical fan conversion posted on BGG rather than a serious thing. The developers aren’t shy about making changes to improve balance, so hopefully this works well. Good luck, everyone. 
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May 14, 2018 17:00
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In my three games of this (a small sample, to be fair), I've seen West Germany win once, the US win once, and the USSR win once.
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May 14, 2018 17:07
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There's also the possibility of a superpower space race victory or nuclear war (if all of the peace tokens get flipped or if one of the superpower tracks reaches either extreme end). The player who triggers nuclear war automatically loses and whichever other player has played the most cards with a peacemaker symbol wins (these are collected much like the Stasi cards).
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May 14, 2018 17:10
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Mr. Squishy posted:Out of interest, what's everyone's experience level with this game? Mine's 0, besides hearing everyone say how good it is. I'm a barely adequate player of the base game, but I've never tried 2+2.
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May 14, 2018 17:13
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CaptainRightful posted:There's also the possibility of a superpower space race victory or nuclear war (if all of the peace tokens get flipped or if one of the superpower tracks reaches either extreme end). The player who triggers nuclear war automatically loses and whichever other player has played the most cards with a peacemaker symbol wins (these are collected much like the Stasi cards).
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May 14, 2018 17:14
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As shameful as it is, I have not yet played this game about my country, so I shall watch this closely.
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May 14, 2018 18:34
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Here's the link to the discord https://discord.gg/Q5s9xzx
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May 14, 2018 18:58
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Here's the setup. With no scanner, I instead took pictures of the pieces for 2+2 and then just made them into layers. Also there isn't a scan of the board online. Welp.  Current available East Card (reminder that to play you either have to discard a hand card or have the west draw a new card.  Current Cards available:       Tekopo fucked around with this message at 23:30 on May 14, 2018 |
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May 14, 2018 20:51
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My username's skizelo on Discord.
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May 14, 2018 23:02
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Alright, hand cards have been sent out on Discord, I've updated the last card with the current market row. Action Queue: -- Mr. Squishy: USA First Action
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May 14, 2018 23:31
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#Play the Marshall plan for its effect Factory in Wolfsburg Infrastructure between Wolfsburg and Kessel Infastructure between Wolfsburg and Hamburg Unrest removes in Hessen Have I lost the game already?
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May 15, 2018 00:42
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Nah seems like a nice move to me!  Current available East Card (reminder that to play you either have to discard a hand card or have the west draw a new card. Current Cards available: Action Queue: -- Dancer: USSR Action Tekopo fucked around with this message at 08:09 on May 15, 2018 |
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May 15, 2018 08:01
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Also as a rule reminder, if there are only two cards left in the display, and you play one of them, the last card always plays for the event no matter what!
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May 15, 2018 08:07
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In the face of the bitter division that we have faced during this devastating war, and the further division that the Imperialist West seeks to impose upon the German people, Comrade Stalin has decided to support the German workers' calls for unity and collaboration. The continued existence of multiple separate worker's parties is nothing but sheer self-serving fractionalism, and impedes the pursuit of Socialism. It is decided that the Communist and Social-Democrat parties shall be united. #Play Forced Merger of KPD and SPD for the event Build factory in Magdeburg. Add unrest/socialist cube to Sachsen.
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May 16, 2018 00:17
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We, the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Germany, welcome those progressive forces of the SPD in the Eastern part of Germany into the ranks of the fighters for world Socialism, and we invite the SPD in the rest of the country to do the same. We thank Comrade Stalin for his guidance in showing us the right path forward, and our fraternal brothers of the Soviet Union for inspiring us to unite the parties of the workers. All comrades in the Party are encouraged to welcome our SPD brothers into our new united party, and, in a spirit of tolerance and forbearance, forgive them any previous deviations and rightist thinking, and, in the spirit of Democratic Centralism, former SPD members are urged to study carefully the writings of the Central Committee and seek to conform themselves to the principles espoused by them. The name of the new merged party will be the Socialist Unity Party.
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May 16, 2018 01:13
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  Flight Symbols: 1 (Forced Merger) Current available East Card (reminder that to play you either have to discard a hand card or have the west draw a new card. Current Cards available: Action Queue: -- Vivian Darkbloom: FRG Action Tekopo fucked around with this message at 08:22 on May 16, 2018 |
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May 16, 2018 06:35
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Why is Kessel back up to 3 dissent?
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May 16, 2018 11:15
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Mr. Squishy posted:Why is Kessel back up to 3 dissent?
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May 16, 2018 11:54
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That's a relief, I thought I missed a rule or something. uh, said Woodrow Wilson.
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May 16, 2018 12:03
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Paging Vivian.
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May 17, 2018 22:16
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I play "Dismantling industry in the East" from hand, for the event: Remove factory in Berlin Remove factory in Magdeburg Remove factory in Bitterfield +1 dissent in Sachsen (and mass protest marker) -1 to Socialism track
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May 18, 2018 03:11
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  Flight Symbols: 1 (Forced Merger) Current available East Card (reminder that to play you either have to discard a hand card or have the west draw a new card. Current Cards available: Action Queue: -- Epicurius: DDR Action
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May 18, 2018 20:33
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The Central Committee of the SED wishes to make the following statement regarding currency reform Currency reform in West Germany was dictated by the lords of Wall Street in conjunction with their German accomplices, Pünder, Pferdmenges, Dahrendorf, and cohorts. The reactionary measures of the de facto government in Frankfurt will trigger a wave of price increases while simultaneously keeping wages low and worsening unemployment. Under the slogan of “self-management,” monopolistic business associations have been given control of the economy – those very associations that supported the fascist war economy. This separate currency reform is meant to salvage the rotting, crisis-ridden capitalist economy, and leaders from the bourgeois parties and the Social Democrats are providing active support. This separate currency reform is part of the new offensive that big business is mounting against the working population in West Germany. It will intensify the battle against the working class and must be met with increased resistance. In the Soviet occupation zone in Germany, the necessary countermeasures will be taken under fundamentally different conditions. The bank and company bosses, the war criminals, and the large landowners have been dispossessed. The working people are in control of the state administration. Through audits of old accounts with balances of more than 3,000 Reichsmark –carried out in accordance with the resolutions of the German Economic Commission – currency reform will completely eliminate all existing war profits. Through audits of all new accounts with balances of more than 5,000 Reichsmark, money acquired from black-market dealings and speculation will be confiscated. These measures are intended to create healthy monetary conditions at the expense of smugglers and war profiteers, and they will assist in building a democracy and serving the peacetime economy. Catastrophic financial management under Hitler’s regime led to a sea of paper money. This problem has not yet been rectified, but it must be addressed if a healthy democratic peacetime economy is to emerge. Nonetheless, in contrast to West Germany, the implementation of currency reform in the Eastern zone will take social factors into consideration. Anyone who has 200 Reichsmark in his new savings account will keep 120 Reichsmark, or 60%. Anyone with 300 Reichsmark will keep 140 Reichsmark. Of 500 Reichsmark, 180 will remain; and of 1,000 Reichsmark, 280 will remain. The per capita quota of 70 Reichsmark will not be deducted from these recognized amounts; this is an additional advantage over the regulations in West Germany. The holders of old savings account will also be taken into consideration. Those people who, after the collapse, placed their trust in the new democratic order by purchasing the federal states’ reconstruction bonds will not see their invested money depreciate in any way. What is especially important is that, in the Soviet occupation zone, there will be no depreciation of the money held by nationally-owned enterprises and communal enterprises and the budgetary funds of the state administration. The loans issued to new farmers will be reduced to one fifth of the amount owed. This will strengthen the new farming economy that has been created by land reform. The social insurance system, whose assets will be converted on a 2:1 basis, is among the organizations receiving preferential treatment. Playing "Monetary Reform in the East" # New Factories in Rostock and Magdeburg #Add 1 Western Currency
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  Flight Symbols: 1 (Forced Merger) Current available East Card (reminder that to play you either have to discard a hand card or have the west draw a new card. Current Cards available: Action Queue: -- Mr. Squishy: USA First Action
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