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I've been debating making this thread for a long time but finally this pissed me off enough to do it: MazeOfTzeentch posted:gently caress right the gently caress off back to D&D with your trust fund maoist oval office bullshit, this is the spaceflight thread, not the "clamor over everyone to make sure you look the most leftist" thread. Like yeah derails suck, and I feel bad about them in that thread since it's often full of neat information but this guy's whole life flashed before my eyes I've known so many dudes like this and it's gross and since I'm already feeling nauseous as poo poo I've decided now this is happening   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yzjk-m2vtc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qag2bOBUVfQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQQYbKT_rMg I think climate change and it's related effects are probably the Great Filter and if we don't get out there within the next 30 years or so we'll wreck our own poo poo hard enough that nobody will ever get another chance, trapping our species here until we go extinct At the same time, the fact that the only people pushing for this to happen are a handful of billionaires and their oblivious pampered techbro worshippers makes it increasingly difficult to be excited by the dim prospect of ensuring the continuity of our own species since it seems likely that even the best case scenario will more closely resemble <dystopian fiction of your choice> rather than anyplace you'd want to actually live This is not a good op and I apologize Tighclops has issued a correction as of 18:02 on Jul 15, 2018 |
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lotsa gilded age stuff ended up nationalized reabsorbing whatever ol' musky is up to into NASA is gonna be even easier
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Peanut Butler posted:lotsa gilded age stuff ended up nationalized Lol if you think NASA isn't going to be totally gutted by the mid 2030s
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Tighclops posted:I think climate change and it's related effects are probably the Great Filter and if we don't get out there within the next 30 years or so we'll wreck our own poo poo hard enough that nobody will ever get another chance, trapping our species here until we go extinct
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Tighclops posted:Lol if you think NASA isn't going to be totally gutted by the mid 2030s Bernie: *grouchily* "Nahtionaloized!"
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I'd be a big fan of troi pegging me in zero g
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Am.i posting itt correctly
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no jose but its ok in star trek they have gravity plating and pegging is illegal
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Peanut Butler posted:no jose but its ok 
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I'm pretty sure butt stuff is legal on Risa at leastElukka posted:I mean we should do this because in the very long term it's an excellent idea not to be confined to one rock, but it's not an escape from current climate change or any other near- to mid-term crisis. If civilization on Earth goes to poo poo any nascent space colony dies. Even Elon Musk understands space is not an escape from climate change. This is why I think climate change is the great filter
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As billionaire long-shot mission statements go, I think the more Earth-relevant plan is Bezos's talk about wanting to move heavy industry to orbit. In the long term, that sounds great for the environment, but given the time it would take to implement, it's kind of contingent on short- and mid-term responses to climate change anyway.
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goddamnit when did d&d steal my trust fund maoist gimmick
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I hope Space Force doesn't kick off Kessler Syndrome. We might need some new weather satellites to help us through the more extreme weather that is coming.
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Corky Romanovsky posted:I hope Space Force doesn't kick off Kessler Syndrome. We might need some new weather satellites to help us through the more extreme weather that is coming. otoh, if all this did cause the extinction of our species another might be able to do it right this time
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So if a moon colonist falls on hard times and can't pay his oxygen bill, is there an obama socialist safety net that will coddle him and encourage laziness? Or is the threat of imminent suffocation rightly used to encourage him to pull himself up by his own moonboot straps and get out there and pound the 
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in all the libertarian space fiction if you can't pay your oxygen bill you just get tossed out of the airlock
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SpaceGoku posted:in all the libertarian space fiction if you can't pay your oxygen bill you just get tossed out of the airlock sometimes if you're in trouble, like if you're a prisoner, they make you wear a necklace that shows your oxygen bill status to everyone so anyone who sees you're in the red can just kill you because you become an unperson
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I'm working on perfecting my pacifist egalitarian xenophile Stellaris run, I'll keep u updated
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Corky Romanovsky posted:I hope Space Force doesn't kick off Kessler Syndrome. We might need some new weather satellites to help us through the more extreme weather that is coming. My take on Space Force First thing would be to absorb the duties of the National Reconnaissance Office and probably take over all military and intelligence satellite divisions in the same way that federal agencies were consolidated into the Department of Homeland Security. There will be increased funding and acceleration of the Prompt Global Strike initiative, which aims to be able to strike anywhere in the world with a non-nuclear weapon within an hour of the order being given. This is incredibly stupid and dangerous, as you're essentially demanding that the rest of the world trust that something identical to an ICBM launch is not a nuclear first strike. Increased funding and acceleration of the Operationally Responsive Space program, with the aim of allowing strategically useful special purpose satellites to be delivered to any desired orbit on short notice. Things like spy satellites being able to launch quickly into a low orbit for higher resolution and fast observation of an area that aerial recon (U2 flight) isn't possible. On-orbit anti-satellite weapons will likely be developed and deployed. Non-nuclear space-based weapons may be developed and deployed (see Project Thor/Rods From God, which would drop tungsten rods that would strike with immense kinetic energy from a heavy, dense object hitting at near-orbital velocity.) This may be the implementation of the Prompt Global Strike program. Additional testing platforms for new technology will likely be built. More X-37B's, and possibly even something like an X-37B crew variant that could launch into orbit, deploy a special forces team in a reentry vehicle, and put Space Force commandos anywhere on earth within an hour of launch. Also a moon base to prove that our national dick is bigger than everyone else's.
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GWBBQ posted:My take on Space Force But first the Space Force will need its own uniforms and medals and academy and theme song and bases and football team and recruitment centers and TV commercials and--
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SpaceGoku posted:in all the libertarian space fiction if you can't pay your oxygen bill you just get tossed out of the airlock Whoa whoa whoa, you gonna let some freeloader just die with their debts unsettled?
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GWBBQ posted:My take on Space Force my take on space force: $1 trillion will be spent on something that doesn't work properly at all
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hallebarrysoetoro posted:my take on space force: $1 trillion will be spent on something that doesn't work properly at all space has no atmosphere, but lets fix that. i propose 1 trillion dollars to pump air into space. eventually you will be able to take off your helmet in "space" and be fine. amazing
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So, uh, time for a factory reset on Elon?quote:Tesla and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk accused one of the British divers involved in the rescue of 12 Thai boys and their soccer coach from the flooded Tham Luang cave complex of being a pedophile on Saturday in retaliation for questioning Musk’s contributions to the rescue effort.
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He's trying to tie Trump for "person who most desperately needs to have his smartphone taken away."
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i dont think going to space will fix any of our problems directly but i think it should be done regardless. theres a lot of science to be done in microgravity. also there's a lot of metal out there in the asteroid belt. but i think an energy revolution occuring all of a sudden is more likely than space becoming useful as anything other than a place for weather sats, spy sats, and weapons in the next century
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I think we need to do a lot of research in space for example, we need to study the science of space truckin' and we definitely need to research the art of space fuckin' (I volunteer for the second one)
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SpaceGoku posted:I think we need to do a lot of research in space I think you'll find Ridley Scott has done a thorough analysis of space truckin'.
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Nth Doctor posted:I think you'll find Ridley Scott has done a thorough analysis of space truckin'. if our future leads up to all being killed by a robo-fassbender I'm okay with it
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Larry Parrish posted:i dont think going to space will fix any of our problems directly but i think it should be done regardless. theres a lot of science to be done in microgravity. also there's a lot of metal out there in the asteroid belt. but i think an energy revolution occuring all of a sudden is more likely than space becoming useful as anything other than a place for weather sats, spy sats, and weapons in the next century aside from just the research that can directly be done in microgravity, space funding is good for scientific progress because "space exploration" is a concept that's flashy and impresses dipshits so it's a great excuse to funnel money into people who technically work for space agencies but are actually just doing barely-related research
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To colonize space you need to be able to take the means of production with you, if you can do that then lol gently caress rich people
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what if my job gets outsourced to Mars
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Red Ryder posted:what if my job gets outsourced to Mars Not to worry, a new tariff has just been announced on Martian potatoes. This will help. Somehow.
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Applied research and basic research are two different things. You can't just dump money into applied research without ever funding basic research (ie space poo poo too) and expect good results. The last push to the moon resulted in poo poo TONS of tech that is useful every single day and saves lives even though yeah "who benefits directly from us going to the moon???"GWBBQ posted:My take on Space Force My take is that this is all the dumbest poo poo possible even though I'm sure it is exactly what moron rear end politicians are thinking. It's also in violation of international treaties but the USA doesn't give a poo poo about those ofc heh
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Moridin920 posted:My take is that this is all the dumbest poo poo possible even though I'm sure it is exactly what moron rear end politicians are thinking.
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No. 1 Apartheid Fan posted:aside from just the research that can directly be done in microgravity, space funding is good for scientific progress because "space exploration" is a concept that's flashy and impresses dipshits so it's a great excuse to funnel money into people who technically work for space agencies but are actually just doing barely-related research  I also think it's important that humanity has something to point at and go "look, progress!" like we did with the moon landing back in the 60s. You can see this desire in all the loving Elon Musk fanboys who think daddy will take them to Mars.
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