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| Billions of dollars. They make billions of dollars. |
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DarkstarIV posted:You know, for all the poo poo I give Vince for his utterly stupid booking decisions, I will give him credit where credit is due. He is quite possibly the most stubborn person I have ever seen in regards to trying to push a failed project in Roman Reigns. How on earth is that something worth credit?? VJeff posted:so like legitimately what the gently caress does Seth do at SummerSlam now. Fight Ziggler again? My guess: he goes against Dolph and Drew and his surprise tag partner is Dean Ambrose.
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Jul 17, 2018 04:21
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same but bayley since whenever she was called up
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Jul 17, 2018 04:21
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DarkstarIV posted:Next week on Monday Night RAM: Bobby Lashley vs Roman Reigns, winner goes on to face Brock Lesnar at Summerslam. ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Jul 17, 2018 04:23
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DarkstarIV posted:You know, for all the poo poo I give Vince for his utterly stupid booking decisions, I will give him credit where credit is due. He is quite possibly the most stubborn person I have ever seen in regards to trying to push a failed project in Roman Reigns. Vince has succeeded in his goal since the start of Reigns' push of making lots and lots of money. Every person who has watched WWE in hopes that WWE will give up on him is far more stubborn and stupid than Vince has ever been.
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Jul 17, 2018 04:23
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VJeff posted:so like legitimately what the gently caress does Seth do at SummerSlam now. Fight Ziggler again? Does it matter? They don't plan for anyone that isn't Reigns, Cena, or Brock, and two of those are dependent on when they're able or willing to show up. Every other part, top to bottom, is interchangeable and (except for Carmella and Alexa apparently) replaceable entirely
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Jul 17, 2018 04:26
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where is cena anyway
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Jul 17, 2018 04:26
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gently caress it. Just make the SS main event a fatal fourway with Brock Lesnar, Bobby Lashley, Roman Reigns, and Jinder Mahal. Put the strap on Jinder after like, 4 spears from each of the Doggies fails to keep Lesnar down, but ONE KHALLAS after a Singe distraction is all it takes. EDIT: Then make Roman and Lashley a tag-team called "Two large dogs"
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Jul 17, 2018 04:28
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That includes the fans too. Probably more expendable than anything else. WWE's getting lower viewership than ever and putting on their worst shows ever, and being rewarded for it by making more money than ever and signing more talent than ever. They have no incentive to ever listen to another negative comment or learn a lesson about anything
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Jul 17, 2018 04:28
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rare Magic card l00k posted:Vince has succeeded in his goal since the start of Reigns' push of making lots and lots of money. Like seriously, I stopped watching when Roman kicked out of Bryan's knee at the first Fast Lane. I can't imagine the psychosis of the people still holding on.
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Jul 17, 2018 04:31
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rare Magic card l00k posted:Every person who has watched WWE in hopes that WWE will give up on him is far more stubborn and stupid than Vince has ever been.
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Jul 17, 2018 04:38
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Chris James 2 posted:That includes the fans too. Probably more expendable than anything else. WWE's getting lower viewership than ever and putting on their worst shows ever, and being rewarded for it by making more money than ever and signing more talent than ever. They have no incentive to ever listen to another negative comment or learn a lesson about anything it's been gone over a million times at this point but yeah, vince succeeded beyond in wildest dreams in making The Brand the star and a perpetual money-printing machine completely insulated from anything resembling consequences.
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Jul 17, 2018 04:41
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Raskolnikov38 posted:where is cena anyway Trying to get Nikki to love him again?
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Jul 17, 2018 04:41
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Dimebags Brain posted:Like seriously, I stopped watching when Roman kicked out of Bryan's knee at the first Fast Lane. I can't imagine the psychosis of the people still holding on. sunk cost, I can't have spent ALL this time watching loving garbage, right? It's gonna get good soon, RIGHT??
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Jul 17, 2018 04:50
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I missed RAM. Did Hogan show up?
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Jul 17, 2018 04:56
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Veryslightlymad posted:At any rate, didn't post it in the PPV thread, but the end of the Iron Man match was actually perfect and I'm grinning over here at how furious everyone seems to be about it. It would have made Seth look like a tiny little whiny baby if he went on to win after the match restarted. How would that make Seth look like a whiny baby when every Iron Man match to ever end in a draw goes into overtime?
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Jul 17, 2018 04:58
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if we could just triangulate a way to get bobby roode into the match with lashley and roman
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Jul 17, 2018 05:02
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Ronda needs to figure out her mad face because it is no good
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Jul 17, 2018 05:13
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JT Smiley posted:How would that make Seth look like a whiny baby when every Iron Man match to ever end in a draw goes into overtime? Because he's the challenger and he's a face. He needs to overcome adversity, not use a Get Out of Jail Free card.
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Jul 17, 2018 05:18
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Veryslightlymad posted:Because he's the challenger and he's a face. He needs to overcome adversity, not use a Get Out of Jail Free card. OT isn't a Get Out of Jail Free card it's what they always do. What the gently caress are you on about.
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Jul 17, 2018 05:27
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VJeff posted:OT isn't a Get Out of Jail Free card it's what they always do. What the gently caress are you on about. I think whether we agree about this one match, we can both agree WWE Booking is often or usually stupid and bad.
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Jul 17, 2018 05:33
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Oh Snapple! posted:it's been gone over a million times at this point but yeah, vince succeeded beyond in wildest dreams in making The Brand the star and a perpetual money-printing machine completely insulated from anything resembling consequences. I don't get it. It's supposed to be "You put on a product people like, they buy tickets/PPV views/merchandise/Network subscriptions/whatever, you present this product to advertisers who pay you to potentially reach a new market, QED." If viewership keeps dropping, if more and more people seem to be turning away from the product, how exactly is the WWE making billion dollar deals? What is Fox getting out of it? I just do not understand how this works at all. Is this like with the recent recession where people were using creative accounting to turn debts into some sort of viable trading asset until they completely overloaded the cart and make the whole thing collapse? Just what is Fox BUYING? Just what is making "The Brand" print money?
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Jul 17, 2018 05:37
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Cornwind Evil posted:I don't get it. It's supposed to be "You put on a product people like, they buy tickets/PPV views/merchandise/Network subscriptions/whatever, you present this product to advertisers who pay you to potentially reach a new market, QED." If viewership keeps dropping, if more and more people seem to be turning away from the product, how exactly is the WWE making billion dollar deals? What is Fox getting out of it? I just do not understand how this works at all. Is this like with the recent recession where people were using creative accounting to turn debts into some sort of viable trading asset until they completely overloaded the cart and make the whole thing collapse? Just what is Fox BUYING? Just what is making "The Brand" print money? USA's ratings are tanking. All of their hit shows from 10 years ago ended and they couldn't replace them. So WWE became more valuable as they struggled to be a top cable station. FOX just sold off their studios, so sports and sports like content they can control long term became more valuable for them. And WWE's deals came due at just the right time.
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Jul 17, 2018 05:42
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Cornwind Evil posted:I don't get it. It's supposed to be "You put on a product people like, they buy tickets/PPV views/merchandise/Network subscriptions/whatever, you present this product to advertisers who pay you to potentially reach a new market, QED." If viewership keeps dropping, if more and more people seem to be turning away from the product, how exactly is the WWE making billion dollar deals? What is Fox getting out of it? I just do not understand how this works at all. Is this like with the recent recession where people were using creative accounting to turn debts into some sort of viable trading asset until they completely overloaded the cart and make the whole thing collapse? Just what is Fox BUYING? Just what is making "The Brand" print money? Fox's viewership last Friday was slightly over a million. The Oh No, Such A Terrible Raw The Ratings Are The Worst EVER did two and a half times that and was the #2 show on cable, and unlike most shows provides those strong ratings 52 weeks a year. That is what Fox gets out of it.
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Jul 17, 2018 05:42
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Pre-recorded TV has seriously declined, too, and generally getting worse and worse as years go by. WWE getting an enormous deal isn't really surprising when they're the only game in town, and you look at things like the monster new NBA deal that recently passed, despite the Golden State Warriors.
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Jul 17, 2018 05:46
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Cornwind Evil posted:I don't get it. It's supposed to be "You put on a product people like, they buy tickets/PPV views/merchandise/Network subscriptions/whatever, you present this product to advertisers who pay you to potentially reach a new market, QED." If viewership keeps dropping, if more and more people seem to be turning away from the product, how exactly is the WWE making billion dollar deals? What is Fox getting out of it? I just do not understand how this works at all. Is this like with the recent recession where people were using creative accounting to turn debts into some sort of viable trading asset until they completely overloaded the cart and make the whole thing collapse? Just what is Fox BUYING? Just what is making "The Brand" print money? We live in Hellworld, and WWE reflects the wider world. Things will get slowly worse and worse until we all die and nothing will change because the monstrous beings in power are actively rewarded with the most obscene wealth in human history for making things worse.
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Jul 17, 2018 05:46
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Yeah live sports are the only "safe" investment for networks these days. The WWE didn't do anything specifically besides survive to this moment in TV history.
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Jul 17, 2018 05:48
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There are consistently two million dumb idiots that will watch every episode of Raw and Smackdown no matter how bad the booking gets.
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Jul 17, 2018 05:50
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:Ronda is no good
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Jul 17, 2018 05:55
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VJeff posted:OT isn't a Get Out of Jail Free card it's what they always do. What the gently caress are you on about. 4 out of the 13 aired Iron Man Matches, but whatever man... I mean, after watching this poo poo for 22 years of my life there are only so many ways you can book poo poo. WWE tends to pick the wrong way, sure, but you can't fault them for doing a finish that has been done before.
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Jul 17, 2018 05:55
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The funny thing is ESPN was cutting back and looking to get out of some sports deals and people thought the sports rights bubble would burst. But here we are with even more record TV deals. It doesn't really feel sustainable for networks (or streaming services to be honest) so it could come crashing down not just for the WWE but for sports in general but might as well take the money. The upside is so high for the WWE if they can give good network numbers that might not only be able to get a bigger TV deal but also money for Mania
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Jul 17, 2018 05:57
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VJeff posted:OT isn't a Get Out of Jail Free card it's what they always do. What the gently caress are you on about. No no he's right. It was much better for them to restart the match and make Seth look like an idiot seconds later. Also the end of Wrestlemania 12 never happened.
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Jul 17, 2018 05:57
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Bubbles popping in late capitalism? Heresy.
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Jul 17, 2018 06:00
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the only acceptable way for this entire thing to go down is for Lashley to win at Summerslam. Any other result is... sadly more likely. EDIT: Strowman Kenshin fucked around with this message at 06:12 on Jul 17, 2018 |
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Jul 17, 2018 06:00
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Ziggler beating a workhorse fan favorite in an iron match overtime is just his next step in becoming HBK. He even lost his smile with the US belt earlier this year.
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Jul 17, 2018 06:02
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At this point what the WWE brings is a product that is only slowly dropping ratings, but contains a core audience at least on par with what Fox currently airs in Friday prime time. Also beneficial is the lack of costs that Fox incurs on an ongoing basis with the WWE - it's a wholly independent entity that runs its own television productions and all Fox is really paying for is beaming the product out to the world once they receive the signal themselves. They're getting an entertainment product that operates like a sports league but runs year round and cost a fraction to get. The program already has proven it will bring a core, million-plus audience on Friday nights before, and has maintained this audience across, what, four or five station moves, including leaving network TV for cable (and now coming back to network TV again) and switching from Thursday, to Friday, back to Thursday. One thing has remained true about wrestling: it has been maybe the most dependable television product available.
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Jul 17, 2018 06:08
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Veryslightlymad posted:Because he's the challenger and he's a face. He needs to overcome adversity, not use a Get Out of Jail Free card. He didn't use it though, Kurt came out when Seth was lying there and called for OT because he didn't like there being a tie.
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Jul 17, 2018 06:25
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This WWE deal might make WWE suck even more, but it'll definitely gently caress over Fox in the long run.
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Jul 17, 2018 06:45
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No way dude she's already so good in every way holy gently caress poo poo balls Ronda is the second coming of wrestling christ come to take me away to the promised landddddddd Sorry. Ronda looks good for how long she's been an active wrestler, but it's been kinda ridiculous how much praise she gets for wrestling like...two decent matches. Shinjobi fucked around with this message at 07:01 on Jul 17, 2018 |
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Jul 17, 2018 06:46
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Shinjobi posted:No way dude she's already so good in every way holy gently caress poo poo balls Ronda is the second coming of wrestling christ come to take me away to the promised landddddddd She's also been extremely sloppy in both of them. She just happens to be very athletic and is willing to throw herself into the the match, which at least it looks like someone cares about wrestling in wwe.
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