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Wheeee posted:are you literally a child Careful, if that's true and we're too mean to him that would be team politics
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Wheeee posted:are you literally a child Would help explain his position.
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hot take: killing a gently caress load of people, including children, is great for the environment   
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AlexanderCA posted:I'm pretty sure executing unarmed, imprisoned children in the context of a war, is a war crime. so come lock up dubya and obummer and trumpy pls i wish someone would
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and before some cuck  over that here's the loving evidencehttps://amp.theguardian.com/theguardian/2011/jan/26/genghis-khan-eco-warrior murder loving owns
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*pulls guillotine lever on royal children* guess he'll never be head of state Lord of Pie has issued a correction as of 03:13 on Jul 19, 2018 |
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Crane Fist posted:"ACTUALLY THERE'S NEVER AN EXCUSE TO KILL PRISONERS" I holler as I burst into the courtroom at the Nuremberg Trials Last I checked there were no children on trial at Nuremberg. And no there is no context that justifies executing children, just as there can be no context justifying rape, etc. Especially as the revolutionaries were neither clairvoyant or time travelers. It's really weird how some people are unwilling to acknowledge that maybe the Soviets, while better than the monarchy, might've been in the wrong in some of their actions. I'll gladly take the controversial absolutist position that executing kids is bad and not to be applauded.
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Lord of Pie posted:*pulls guillotine lever on royal children* 
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Gringostar posted:and before some cuck I prefer people over the environment. Just don't have kids I guess.
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Crane Fist posted:"ACTUALLY THERE'S NEVER AN EXCUSE TO KILL PRISONERS" I holler as I burst into the courtroom at the Nuremberg Trials This is a really tortured analogy
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Over population rhetoric is two steps from genocidal apologism, and is the domain of garbage people. AlexanderCA posted:If you excuse the execution of children you're going to excuse anything the side you identify with does. Then you're just uncritically playing team politics. Let me put it this way: what if a war crime saved your life?
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Gringostar posted:hot take: killing a gently caress load of people, including children, is great for the environment google murray bookchin
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I very surely wouldn't have been born without the 2nd world war and Japanese concentration camps in Indonesia occuring. I consider those bad things anyways. Whether letting the romanov children live would have led to a resurgent monarchy is gay black hitler. It's a trolley problem where you can't see the tracks. So i would not flip the child murdering switch imo.
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rudatron posted:Over population rhetoric is two steps from genocidal apologism, and is the domain of garbage people. At last something I agree with.
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Part of military strategy is recognizing potential problems before they can happen, and dealing with them. Its work that lies entirely in the domain of the purely theoretical, until it happens. Arguing that the threat of a restoration is counterfactual is pure hindsight, since from the perspective of the people at the time, the Soviet Union itself was just as theoretical as a tsarist restoration. It was as much a gay black Hitler as a new tsardom. You can't dismiss that threat. Strategically, it was the correct play.
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AlexanderCA posted:I very surely wouldn't have been born without the 2nd world war and Japanese concentration camps in Indonesia occuring. youve never actually been in charge of anything have you like you think youre the lone voice of reason here but in reality you arent even understanding what youre crying about
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The Romanovs got millions of people killed for nothing, and every one of the royal children represented a threat of restoring that power which could kill millions more. Acting as if the trolley problem wasn't real is extremely disingenuous.
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Outside of this specific rather non-mainstream-left subforum of a dying comedy website most people oppose all forms of child execution. No matter how noble your cause.
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rudatron posted:Part of military strategy is recognizing potential problems before they can happen, and dealing with them. Its work that lies entirely in the domain of the purely theoretical, until it happens. Arguing that the threat of a restoration is counterfactual is pure hindsight, since from the perspective of the people at the time, the Soviet Union itself was just as theoretical as a tsarist restoration. It was as much a gay black Hitler as a new tsardom. You can't dismiss that threat. Strategically, it was the correct play. Strategic expediency doesn't justify executing imprisoned children either.
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AlexanderCA posted:Outside of this specific rather non-mainstream-left subforum of a dying comedy website most people oppose all forms of child execution. No matter how noble your cause. The funny thing is that's probably not even true.
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AlexanderCA posted:Outside of this specific rather non-mainstream-left subforum of a dying comedy website most people oppose all forms of child execution. No matter how noble your cause. I like how when someone gets mad on here they bust out the "dead gay forum" rhetoric.
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"Look, we don't know for sure that they would have reinstated the dynasty if we let them live! There's no way to be sure!"
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So instead, just pump bullets into kids.
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I wonder what AlexanderCA thinks of all the precious white babies killed by the Nat Turner rebels.
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AlexanderCA posted:So instead, just pump bullets into kids. Yes. That's what we are all saying. We all love killing children and you are the only pure soul left on earth.
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The Obama administration assassinated an American teenager with a hellfire missile because of his association with his Al Qaeda dad, and nobody cared or criticized the Obama administration in any meaningful way. So the idea that most people have a particular problem with executing children is pretty sus. Turns out if you can contextualize it the right way they're pretty ok with it.
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not that familiar with american history,but skimming wikipedia, I think killing "precious white babies" is bad? Also slavery is bad? Controversial, I know. I imagine there aren't many people thinking the kids they killed was the thing to be celebrated about their uprising.
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Killing babies is tight
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heck yea lenin used to put on the best annual child murdering celebration parties
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For the record: I am not Barack Obama, I don't believe in souls/purity and there is no circumstance under which the execution of children is justified, even if you do it reluctantly.
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why did they kill the children? surely their malleable little brains would have been able to adapt to the great truth that is soviet communism
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dam they even killed nick's cook and maid. becuase you never know ...
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revenge is cool
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Gazpacho posted:dam they even killed nick's cook and maid. becuase you never know ... they knew the state secrets
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again look at Puyi, he grew up ordering his flunkeys to beat eunuchs for his personal amusement and then signed the papers for japanese conquest of manchuria yet the government was able to educate him to the light of socialism
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BONE DOG posted:they knew the state secrets
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I wonder what AlexanderCA thinks of all the precious white babies killed by the Nat Turner rebels. i mean that was also bad, but wouldn't have happened if slavery hadn't broken his brain
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Gazpacho posted:again look at Puyi, he grew up ordering his flunkeys to beat eunuchs for his personal amusement and then signed the papers for japanese conquest of manchuria yet the government was able to educate him to the light of socialism I'm no expert on the Russian revolution and even less so on the Chinese revolution but was it because the maoist forces taking over were less outwardly hostile toward the dynasty? The Bolsheviks wanted to wipe the slate clean completely. Was it that Puyi still had a important connections / some influence?
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Gazpacho posted:again look at Puyi, he grew up ordering his flunkeys to beat eunuchs for his personal amusement and then signed the papers for japanese conquest of manchuria yet the government was able to educate him to the light of socialism Puyi didn't have reactionary armies trying to make him emperor of all China.
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i feel like a) we're wandering back and forth between putting too much emphasis on personal responsibility and not enough and b) losing sight of the point of this thread which is sic semper tyrannis bitch
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