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I'm talking about the cost to buy the game! Obviously it was a huge mistake for Valve.
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Guess this also lowers the chances of an Artifact: Alyx VR spin-off happening in ~20 years.
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Mar 5, 2021 15:32
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The second they showed gameplay of this I knew it was going to fail and I'm glad for once gamers didn't just scarf down whatever slop they were fed.
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Mar 5, 2021 17:48
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Idk why people say gamers swallow anything. These are the best selling games of all time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games Most of these are very good games. People are willing to buy low effort sequels/iterations of popular series but that doesn't mean the gameplay is bad.
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Blizzard hasn't made a good game since WarCraft 3 and people bought the poo poo out of their stuff until (lol) their WarCraft 3 remaster.
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I love FFXIV, but I wonder how much damage the development, launch, and success of FFXIV 2.0 did to realistic expectations. The thing about that is, by the admission of everyone involved, it was a final resort (They spent a year trying to unfuck and bend the engine into something resembling playable. The proposal of 2.0 was the final ultimatum) by insane people backed by a desperate company. Now we have seen 2 grand relaunches (This and Anthem) go down in flames, and I am sure that they took a look at what FFXIV did and though "We could pull this off!" (They could not pull this off)
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Groovelord Neato posted:Blizzard hasn't made a good game since WarCraft 3 and people bought the poo poo out of their stuff until (lol) their WarCraft 3 remaster. No Wave fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Mar 5, 2021 |
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Mar 5, 2021 18:15
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Diablo 3 is the worst video game sequel ever in my eyes (and before Fallout 4 had no competition).
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Mar 5, 2021 18:16
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Hearthstone is a good game, despite everything.
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Mar 5, 2021 18:17
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Overwatch is good, Diablo 3 is good.
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Mar 5, 2021 18:41
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Diablo 3 was a really fun game after the expansion.
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Mar 5, 2021 18:47
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Nobody ever claimed Artifact purchasers had good taste.
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Unlucky7 posted:I love FFXIV, but I wonder how much damage the development, launch, and success of FFXIV 2.0 did to realistic expectations. The thing about that is, by the admission of everyone involved, it was a final resort (They spent a year trying to unfuck and bend the engine into something resembling playable. The proposal of 2.0 was the final ultimatum) by insane people backed by a desperate company. The Final Fantasy brand is so much bigger than Anthem or Warcraft 3 knock-off characters, FFXIV had to be fixed or it had the potential to bring down the entire franchise (especially with how many L's in a row Square had taken at the time, starting with XIII and the development hell XV was in).
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Groovelord Neato posted:Diablo 3 is the worst video game sequel ever in my eyes (and before Fallout 4 had no competition). Fallout Brotherhood of Steel is much worse than Fallout 4
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Chainclaw posted:Fallout Brotherhood of Steel is much worse than Fallout 4 Not a mainline game so doesn't count.
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Unlucky7 posted:I love FFXIV, but I wonder how much damage the development, launch, and success of FFXIV 2.0 did to realistic expectations. The thing about that is, by the admission of everyone involved, it was a final resort (They spent a year trying to unfuck and bend the engine into something resembling playable. The proposal of 2.0 was the final ultimatum) by insane people backed by a desperate company. It’s like they miss the metric gently caress ton of money and effort square out into redoing FF14. The suits seem to just expect to just flip their failure into a success with actually being willing to support the project enough to fix the faults.
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Groovelord Neato posted:Not a mainline game so doesn't count. OK, if you're sticking to mainline sequels only, then I would say Steel Battalion: Heavy Armor is the worst sequel ever made.
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Fame Douglas posted:Overwatch is good, Diablo 3 is good. Lmao no
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Lmao no more great opinions from the artifact man
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30.5 Days posted:more great opinions from the artifact man I only have great opinions that’s right
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Mar 5, 2021 22:33
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they sure do GRATE on me lmao gotem
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DrManiac posted:It’s like they miss the metric gently caress ton of money and effort square out into redoing FF14. The suits seem to just expect to just flip their failure into a success with actually being willing to support the project enough to fix the faults. Also it's worth noting that FF14 was REALLY loving LUCKY. Like, the only other game I can think of that was as big a flop as it that also managed to turn things around with No Man's Sky, and even now it isn't a smash hit. FF14 getting successfully rebooted into one of the most popular MMOs was nothing short of lightning in a bottle. It's kind of hilarious to me that all these other companies now have a shining example of "we can turn it around if we try!!!" that means they will run every failed online game into the ground, I love watching that poo poo burn.
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The lesson of FF14 should be you can salvage a game if you have a one-in-a-million lead team that prioritizes shipping and listens to feedback, and you are fully funding both short-term quality of life fixes to keep the playerbase's interest and long-term redesigns to make it a sustainable game
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Mar 5, 2021 22:58
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I honestly don't even know whether Valve can make a good game at this point or whether they're just looking for the next hat store that happens to include a game
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TOOT BOOT posted:I honestly don't even know whether Valve can make a good game at this point or whether they're just looking for the next hat store that happens to include a game I'm not saying it's impossible for Valve to make another good game, but it IS worth pointing out that huge numbers of their very talented developers left to other studios because Valve stopped making games.
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No Wave posted:Idk why people say gamers swallow anything. These are the best selling games of all time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games Flavorless gruel for the masses! Artifact would have fit in fine (well card games don't have the mass appeal to be in that list) except it cost money. Flayer posted:Hearthstone is a good game, despite everything. How do you live with such thoughts in your head?
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We need a third Artifact game to complete the trilogy.
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BoldFace posted:We need a third Artifact game to complete the trilogy. Make it a battle-royale
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valve is the third artifact
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No Wave posted:Idk why people say gamers swallow anything. These are the best selling games of all time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games Top 20 Android games by downloads/installs via AndroidRank: pre:Subway Surfers 1B+ downloads (estimate: 1,351B) - Most expensive microtransaction: $99.99 Candy Crush Saga 1B+ downloads (estimate: 1,148B) - Most expensive microtransaction: $149.99 Garena Free Fire 500M+ downloads (estimate: 980M) - Most expensive microtransaction: $109.99 Clash of Clans 500M+ downloads (estimate: 614M) - Most expensive microtransaction: $100.00 8 Ball Pool 500M+ downloads (estimate: 648M) - Most expensive microtransaction: $109.99 My Talking Tom 500M+ downloads (estimate: 655M) - Most expensive microtransaction: $99.99 My Talking Angela 500M+ downloads (estimate: 561M) - Most expensive microtransaction: $99.99 Pou 500M+ downloads (estimate: 592M) - Most expensive microtransaction: $24.99 Hill Climb Racing 500M+ downloads (estimate: 564M) - Most expensive microtransaction: $123.00 Temple Run 2 500M+ downloads (estimate: 632M) - Most expensive microtransaction: $49.99 Ludo King 500M+ downloads (estimate: 522M) - Most expensive microtransaction: $249.99 Temple Run 500M+ downloads (estimate: 554M) - Most expensive microtransaction: $19.99 PUBG Mobile 100M+ downloads (estimate: 500M) - Most expensive microtransaction: $199.99 Mobile Legends 100M+ downloads (estimate: 459M) - Most expensive microtransaction: $111.40 Roblox 100M+ downloads (estimate: 500M) - Most expensive microtransaction: $199.99 Brawl Stars 100M+ downloads (estimate: 288M) - Most expensive microtransaction: $99.99 Pokemon GO 100M+ downloads (estimate: 500M) - Most expensive microtransaction: $99.99 Sniper 3D 100M+ downloads (estimate: 304M) - Most expensive microtransaction: $119.99 Shadow Fight 2 100M+ downloads (estimate: 198M) - Most expensive microtransaction: $49.99 Dream League Soccer 100M+ downloads (estimate: 176M) - Most expensive microtransaction: $99.99
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Artifact just released for free, let's see how big it gets!
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2.0 made the game far worse so this isn't really a surprise.
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FFXIV 2.0 was also, effectively, a whole new game. What Anthem and Artifact were missing is SE went hey, we're gonna keep supporting this lovely game and were gonna develop a whole new one at the same time. None of these companies are gonna invest that sort of money and time. The other thing in SE's favor is the guy they hired to lead the "Unfuck FFXIV" project was the same guy who successfully ran their "Unfuck FFXI" project
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ffxiv was also important to save because it carries a thirty year old name brand nobody gives a gently caress about the dota and anthem brands lol
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Barudak posted:FFXIV 2.0 was also, effectively, a whole new game. What Anthem and Artifact were missing is SE went hey, we're gonna keep supporting this lovely game and were gonna develop a whole new one at the same time. None of these companies are gonna invest that sort of money and time. uhhh no? Yoshi P worked on Dragon Quest X though so maybe you're confusing it with that. E: otherwise yeah the ff14 thing that people usually forget is that they actually did support ff14 until its eventual death to try to get existing players at least something. I remember hearing podcasts at the time of people really excited about what was happening in the game towards the end of its lifecycle.
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The REAL Goobusters posted:uhhh no? Yoshi P worked on Dragon Quest X though so maybe you're confusing it with that. For some reason I got the fixer of FFXI and FFXIV mixed into one as the same guy bungled two mmos (ffxi was successful, but brutal at launch which is why he got to go onto FFXIV)
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finally having played artifact for the first time now that it's free and I get all the cards it's super frustrating because I...almost like it? Like, it's still more bad than good atm but I can almost see a game I'd really like playing...somewhere in there
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Not for nothing but I think FFXIV is also helped by the absolute loving reams of FF fan service scattered throughout the game. If you’re a long time Final Fantasy nerd then that game is just loving full of random (or not so random) callouts / references from other FF games. Things like that go a long way towards getting long time FF fans to invest in an MMO, especially now that the game is really good. Contrast that to Artifact - who actually gives a gently caress about DOTA “lore”? I mean really. Most of it is just Warcraft 3 with some edges sanded off. I know some hardcore DOTA players probably love the lore but I’m also going to guess the crossover from intense MOBA player to trading card game is less than turning an RPG fan into MMORPG fan. The entire premise of Artifact was loving stupid as hell and it’s stunning to me that Valve ever ran with it. And that’s not even beginning to get into the monetization disaster or gameplay or etc etc.
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Barudak posted:FFXIV 2.0 was also, effectively, a whole new game. This was the strangest part of Artifact 2.0 - they were making Artifact 1.1 instead of a whole new thing. Pathos posted:Contrast that to Artifact - who actually gives a gently caress about DOTA “lore”? I mean really. Most of it is just Warcraft 3 with some edges sanded off. I know some hardcore DOTA players probably love the lore but I’m also going to guess the crossover from intense MOBA player to trading card game is less than turning an RPG fan into MMORPG fan. Dota 2 didn't even carry over the only lore I remember from DOTA - Antimage and Terrorblade being brothers.
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