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Also in terms of 'I can't white list them, they'll track my every move', this is really only a thing if you whitelist a lot of sites. If RPS leaves a 'this person has been to RPS' cookie, you need to have whitelisted each and every site that looks for that cookie, and the total picture they form is 'a person has been to RPS and also these [whitelisted sites]'.
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Gaz-L posted:Quick question to the anti-ad folks: You're also against paywalls... so... how do you expect these sites, and thus their employees, to generate revenue and thus get paid so they can do the thing you want? I mean how have they been generating revenue up until this point? Via revenue from people willing to view ads or subscribe. This is a principle of most free internet content, some people generate revenue and subsidize those that don't. I suspect they are just now feeling the pinch as game related content has been constantly devalued over the years via things like streaming and other social media. Its also because of those things that people are so unwilling to pay or even turn off their adblocker, because there are many other places to go to get the thing that rps makes. Avalerion posted:Which brings it back to - if the person wasn't going to click your ad anyway (likely, if they are savy enough to run an ad blocker to begin with), does it matter? Yes, most sites get paid per view as well as per click.
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Oct 10, 2018 15:52
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Yeah I don't adblock RPS. It's a good site.
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Gaz-L posted:Quick question to the anti-ad folks: You're also against paywalls... so... how do you expect these sites, and thus their employees, to generate revenue and thus get paid so they can do the thing you want? That's their problem, I just stop visiting their sites.
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Gaz-L posted:Quick question to the anti-ad folks: You're also against paywalls... so... how do you expect these sites, and thus their employees, to generate revenue and thus get paid so they can do the thing you want? I expect game journalism to collapse as an industry and be replaced, probably at a much smaller scale, by some combination of enthusiasts and academics. I studied fuckin' poetry in college, I have no sympathy for people who think that an artform needs or even benefits from being driven by profit motive. I also support a universal basic income, so if someone really wants to dedicate their life to an artform (or to criticism) they can do that without an employer/employee relationship and without starving to death.
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drkeiscool posted:Heya fuckos, remember the illustrious RockPaperShotgun.com? The number one gaming news and journalism site on the web adblock kills websites op
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Oct 10, 2018 15:56
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Yeah the advertisement system on RPS will be most likely generated by selling ad space. Clicking it just adds a little bonus on top.
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Oct 10, 2018 15:57
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Gaz-L posted:Quick question to the anti-ad folks: You're also against paywalls... so... how do you expect these sites, and thus their employees, to generate revenue and thus get paid so they can do the thing you want? As soon as you don't run malicious software on my computer you can have your ads. RPS isn't even doing that if one pays for ad-free, and backpedal with some bullshit reason of "looking into it". No reason to ever trust them with anything ever. I'm fine with paywalls or adblocks, I'm just gonna do what I gotta do since everything online is free-game and they poo poo on my rights in the same fashion. Such is the lawless land of the internet. If I ever find a website that doesn't do that crap, I'll whitelist it. Haven't found a single one except maybe NPR.
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Avalerion posted:Which brings it back to - if the person wasn't going to click your ad anyway (likely, if they are savy enough to run an ad blocker to begin with), does it matter? It does because adblocking spreads and is in the majority of cases unintentional. Most people do not install an adblocker to block a particular bad site, people install an adblocker because some *other* site served them an annoying ad, clicks through the default options, and bam, all the ads on sites they would normally be okay with are blocked as well. Unless you force the issue by saying 'you have to unblock us', folks who would be otherwise okay with the ads on a site would never even consider it. Some folks would of course will stop reading when you force the issue, now those are the people who are worthless to you, consuming bandwidth without ever clicking on your ad, and who would potentially try to encourage your other readers to adblock (or cancel subscriptions) as well.
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The REAL Goobusters posted:adblock kills websites op good hopefully it kills them all
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Oct 10, 2018 15:59
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caps on caps on caps posted:As soon as you don't run malicious software on my computer you can have your ads. RPS isn't even doing that if one pays for ad-free, and backpedal with some bullshit reason of "looking into it". No reason to ever trust them with anything ever. So you're saying you constantly check whether each of the sites you go to is running 'malicious software' or not so as to reassess their blocking, and you think this is what most users of adblockers do.
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Fangz posted:Also in terms of 'I can't white list them, they'll track my every move', this is really only a thing if you whitelist a lot of sites. If RPS leaves a 'this person has been to RPS' cookie, you need to have whitelisted each and every site that looks for that cookie, and the total picture they form is 'a person has been to RPS and also these [whitelisted sites]'. nah man they send that data right over to at least fifty data aggregators and trackers, packed in your very own profile, combined with all the data you can't block or opt-out. Last week couple of million dudes had their data including mail, place of work, CV, residence, relationship stats etc. leaked by Apollo, a company u prolly never heard of, that makes money by selling that data and nothing else. Where you would ask yourself why they have your god drat cv info in the first place. Now you can go do a GDPR on that company, and they tell you they don't operate in the EU so gently caress you, even though they keep and aggregate data on EU citizens who never agreed to it. What I'm saying is that it's a free for all, and if that site chooses to put trackers and potentially malicious code on their website, they can mimimi all they want, but I'm gonna block every single thing. If they want to get paid, don't offer a poo poo service. Fangz posted:So you're saying you constantly check whether each of the sites you go to is running 'malicious software' or not so as to reassess their blocking, and you think this is what most users of adblockers do. If a website displays a warning that they only display inert advertising jpgs or what have you, hell yeah I'm gonna check if I like the site. This has happened this often: zero
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Oct 10, 2018 16:04
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caps on caps on caps posted:nah man they send that data right over to at least fifty data aggregators and trackers, packed in your very own profile, combined with all the data you can't block or opt-out. Last week couple of million dudes had their data including mail, place of work, CV, residence, relationship stats etc. leaked by Apollo, a company u prolly never heard of, that makes money by selling that data and nothing else. Where you would ask yourself why they have your god drat cv info in the first place. By doing a dump of LinkedIn? Tracking cookies are not magic, mate.
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Oct 10, 2018 16:06
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caps on caps on caps posted:As soon as you don't run malicious software on my computer you can have your ads. RPS isn't even doing that if one pays for ad-free, and backpedal with some bullshit reason of "looking into it". No reason to ever trust them with anything ever. Wait what malicious software did RPS ads spread? How did I miss this?
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Gentleman Baller posted:Wait what malicious software did RPS ads spread? How did I miss this? He doesn't understand what a cookie is.
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Gentleman Baller posted:Wait what malicious software did RPS ads spread? How did I miss this? They sell you a premium account with no ads, but in fact there's still ad trackers on the website. They are, however, "looking into it". Fangz posted:It does because adblocking spreads and is in the majority of cases unintentional. Most people do not install an adblocker to block a particular bad site, people install an adblocker because some *other* site served them an annoying ad, clicks through the default options, and bam, all the ads on sites they would normally be okay with are blocked as well. Unless you force the issue by saying 'you have to unblock us', folks who would be otherwise okay with the ads on a site would never even consider it. Yeah but my adblocker blocks your adblock blocker in like one day, so... Fangz posted:By doing a dump of LinkedIn? No they ain't, neither are adblockers. Real simple stuff.
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That's a point actually, taking a look at RPS's Privacy Policy after GDPR gives a good indication of just who exactly is collecting your information, during adverts. Among the hundred odd list is a bunch of Russian multinationals and even a few Chinese ones...
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Fangz posted:He doesn't understand what a cookie is. I said why, not how. You gotta work on not missing the point. There's laws, firms don't care about laws. Those firms have trackers on your website. I adblock your website.
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Please explain how RPS leaving a text file on your computer saying this computer has been to RPS helps the evil internet overlords get my CV.
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Oct 10, 2018 16:11
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i donate money to my favorite ad blockers. the most sensible choice imo
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Fangz posted:Please explain how RPS leaving a text file on your computer saying this computer has been to RPS helps the evil internet overlords get my CV. Do you really not understand how tracking works at all? Please read up on it.
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John Walker once put up a lengthy article about how RPS isn't going to back down on issues of misogyny and sexism, where about halfway through there was a short paragraph about how he likes to get laid and is lucky enough to be married to a woman who is good at it. Fair play, but I think that level of self aggrandisement in that grandstand, and the ludicrous nature of that paragraph just put me off that site altogether. The internet was a mistake anyway. Use ad-blockers on every website imo.
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Look at this data RPS has to legally disclose! Also laws are meaningless! caps on caps on caps posted:Do you really not understand how tracking works at all? No u
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caps on caps on caps posted:They sell you a premium account with no ads, but in fact there's still ad trackers on the website. They are, however, "looking into it". Oh, well that's not running malicious software on your computer at all. Does that mean you are okay with RPS ads? Btw like you I also hate it when people backpedal and think it makes them untrustworthy! caps on caps on caps posted:As soon as you don't run malicious software on my computer you can have your ads. RPS isn't even doing that if one pays for ad-free, and backpedal with some bullshit reason of "looking into it". No reason to ever trust them with anything ever.
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How dare they very slightly limit their utterly free content? RPS is good even though their VR skepticism is annoying. They have good writing. And it’s free. Whitelist their site you jerks
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I like RPS and somewhat trust them. I just don't trust the ad company that had been subcontracted by another ad company that RPS had hired to deliver advertisements to not gently caress up and let through a malicious ad because they're too lazy to validate everything they send out. It's not like it's the RPS staff picking out the choicest of ads for their site. That's why I adblock everything I possibly can.
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Gentleman Baller posted:Oh, well that's not running malicious software on your computer at all. Does that mean you are okay with RPS ads? Btw like you I also hate it when people backpedal and think it makes them untrustworthy! Submitting usage data to companies that break the law, in particular allowing them non-anonymized aggregation across several websites or datasets, not all of which can be circumvented, without lawful access by you, is malicious. Additionally, those ad-networks have, in fact, served actual malicious code on multiple occasions. Literally the only way to deal with it is adblock, easy choice imo edit: I totally respect their choice of putting an adblock/pay wall in tho, or whatever they like. Go for it.
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Your posts are malicious because someone like Apollo could scrape the SA forums.
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Fangz posted:Your posts are malicious because someone like Apollo could scrape the SA forums. The internet is a lawless place, I spread my malice wherever I drat please
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Gaz-L posted:Quick question to the anti-ad folks: You're also against paywalls... so... how do you expect these sites, and thus their employees, to generate revenue and thus get paid so they can do the thing you want? I don't have anything against ads. But I run an ad block because so many websites have such an extensive number of ads that even a pretty good computer will start chugging while trying to just read an article.
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Doorknob Slobber posted:good hopefully it kills them all ok
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Oct 10, 2018 16:53
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Dam, now where will I go to learn that good games are actually bad, and bad games are actually good?
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Mordja posted:Dam, now where will I go to learn that good games are actually bad, and bad games are actually good? I visit this website pretty often: https://forums.somethingawful.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=44
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caps on caps on caps posted:The internet is a lawless place, I spread my malice wherever I drat please Lmao you do you edgy libertarian dude
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And nothing of value was lost. RPS and their sister site Eurogamer have gone downhill over the last couple of years and are not worth reading. Most of the news stories are whatever was on Reddit or the resetera (and neogaf before that) forums yesterday, so you might as well just read those instead. And please remind us what gaming site you write for Fangz before lecturing about the ethics of adblocking.
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If a website has to invade my home and personal space with advertising to stay in the black then it can burn in a dumpster fire for all I care. Not just website's, that goes for anyone and anything.
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grrarg posted:And nothing of value was lost. RPS and their sister site Eurogamer have gone downhill over the last couple of years and are not worth reading. Most of the news stories are whatever was on Reddit or the resetera (and neogaf before that) forums yesterday, so you might as well just read those instead. I am glad someone else said this before I did. Ever since RPS "discovered" that being edgy SJW writers with a video gaming theme was what cool kids did, the site just nosedived. I used to have fun reading their articles and used to see their articles cross posted in many places, but now they're barely mentioned anywhere outside of Steam "News." With some luck, hopefully they'll die off quickly and gain some internet points as the butt of some recurring joke.
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yes, the problem here is that RPS has those darn  , not that they have an anti-adblocker that will literally do nothing but give them bad press
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At this point, several sites into "trust us we're cool" places accidentally dropping zero-days and several dozen into them dropping phone redirects, it just isn't worth the risk of basically anything but SA banners. I'll go all the way up to and including manually unblocking rotating PNGs or text divs, but running unvetted (and it's all unvetted, even Google) code from a third-party provider with no responsibility but to get the highest bid per view is absolute lunacy on the modern internet; your poo poo may be worth my eyeballs but it isn't worth a surprise Cryptolocker.
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