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 The Haunting of Hill House(not the House on Haunted Hill, or the Haunting of Hell House) is about a family dealing with the aftermath of spooky things happening to them years ago. It's based on the book of the same name by Shirley Jackson which has been adapted twice as The Haunting (1963) and...The Haunting (1999). The cast is pretty big since the show goes back in forth between two different time periods so just imagine a face to go with these names: Timothy Hutton as Hugh Crain the father Henry Thomas as young Hugh Carla Gugino as Olivia Crain the mother Michiel Huisman as Steven Crain the oldest Paxton Singlton as young Steven Elizabeth Reaser as Shirley Crain the oldest daughter Lulu Wilson as young Shirley Kate Siegel as Theodora "Theo" Crain the middle child Mckenna Grace as young Theo Oliver Jackson-Cohen as Luke Crain the boy/oldest twin Julian HIlliard as young Luke Victoria Pedreti as Eleanor "Nell" Vance/Crain the girl/youngest twin and child Violet McGraw as young Nell Be warned that the older versions of the sisters look very much alike so it might be a little confusing during the first episode. The series premiered Friday October 12th on Netflix so all 10 episodes are available for streaming right now. Enjoy!
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This show was really great, but at first I didn't like the ending until I thought about it a bit and realized that the house won. It got 3/7 of the Cranes, it got all the Dudleys, it got fed. It ruined these people's lives for decades and sure, they seem to be finally getting better in the end, but they're only just starting to put together what the house broke in each of them. It's like addiction - just because you stop using doesn't mean you're not an addict. Steven's final speech about ghosts being guilt, secrets, regrets, failings and wishes fits in that the their return to their house lets them finally leave behind their ghosts in Hill House and move past it, but they're still forever effected.
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Oct 15, 2018 03:15
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My view of the show is sort of conflicting. The main thing about that the show leans on is the family drama but I found majority of the family to be unlikable. I was only glad that Luke got out okay since he was the empathetic of them besides Nell who the house completely hosed over. I also thought the show could have been shortened but that's up for debate. While I found the family drama somewhat weak, a lot of other things in the show are good. The set of the house is gorgeous and the show manages to create a spooky atmosphere. The most interesting thing I've found about the show is the witness marks. In the episode of the same name they tell you that some things you may have taken for granted were apparitions. There are ghost in the background in a lot of scenes taking place at the house; some are easier to spot than others. You can find a list of them online or you can rewatch the show and try to spot them yourself. In the end I found the show okay. It's getting a lot of praise though so I recommend watching it. I also recommend watching the first episode and skipping to the fourth but you might miss some witness marks. Favorite line is the show was "We were there for eight and a half weeks; when would I have had time to build a goddamn treehouse?"
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Oct 15, 2018 03:24
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Gaunab posted:
That seems like such a weird thing to say. Why would you skip 30 percent of a serial 10 episode show? If you’re gonna watch it, just watch it. The character development is crucial to the show and those episodes have a lot of it. I also didn’t really think the show was as slow as I expected it to be. It helps that it’s well structured so that every episode has a clear focus unlike many other Netflix shows. Episode 4 was the only place I thought it dragged a little bit. The book is one of my favourites and I really think they did it justice despite the fact that this is more of a “spiritual” adaption. Much better than the movie adaptations. I didn’t necessarily like the characters but I did find them sympathetic and realistic despite the fact the acting is a little all over the place. Michael Huisman is amazing, but the guy who plays the young Dad was pretty brutal. Starks fucked around with this message at 04:47 on Oct 15, 2018 |
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Oct 15, 2018 04:44
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I'm enjoying the show now that I feel like it's progressing (I'm at episode seven) but I've a handful of really glaring problems with it. My main one -- and this is a doozy as far as I'm concerned -- is how thuddingly unsubtle it is. During each of the character based episodes (so basically every episode that isn't the sixth) the show takes a single character element, usually a flaw, and its hammers that point of characterisation home in nearly every scene. Take Theo's episode, the third one. Going into the third episode we don't know an awful lot about her, by virtue of her being a prickly, standoffish person. But, for some reason, Flanagan seems to think that we don't get this about her, so nearly every scene reinforces the idea that she puts barriers up around herself in order to deal with her problems. You could literally make a drinking game out of the exercise, where the only rule is that you drink whenever the episode uses the word "wall" or "walls". It's the same for most of the cast (the Luke episode escapes the worst of this brunt for whatever reason). The dad is compelled to fix things, Shirley is obsessed with keeping up appearances, Steven is in denial. Oh, and you can finish your drink if the episode contains a scene where and adult attempts to help a child with their distress in such a way that illuminates the adult character's neuroses. It happens a lot. I think that the two time period structure sucks some of the tension out of the narrative, though it offers some thematic heft in other areas, and I think the show's quite poorly paced at times. The genre material has a tendency towards unintentional comedy, and can be incredibly predictable besides (and while I acknowledge that's not really the draw of this production, it's still disappointing). But the show's tendency to treat me like I'm an idiot is something I've no patience for.
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Oct 15, 2018 05:38
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Gaunab posted:I also recommend watching the first episode and skipping to the fourth but you might miss some witness marks. this is a truly crazy recommendation. i liked this show a lot and i think it's probably the best netflix original show i've seen
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Oct 15, 2018 05:51
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Just watched the first episode and I'm confused Which sibling was the one that killed herself? The youngest one who was seeing the scary mom ghost?
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Oct 15, 2018 06:04
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Doltos posted:Just watched the first episode and I'm confused Which sibling was the one that killed herself? The youngest one who was seeing the scary mom ghost? Yes. There are three daughters. Shirley is the 2nd kid and is the mortuary owner who doesn't seem to believe, Theo is the 3rd kid and is the lesbian with the gloves, and Nell is one of the twins (who are the two youngest kids and see ghosts) and the girl who kills herself. Shirley and Theo look similar and are right next to each other agewise and even live together. It's a little confusing at the beginning but becomes clear very quickly. Also this show is good, and Steven was the only character I had a hard time being empathetic to. Baku fucked around with this message at 07:09 on Oct 15, 2018 |
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Oct 15, 2018 07:07
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Starks posted:That seems like such a weird thing to say. Why would you skip 30 percent of a serial 10 episode show? If you’re gonna watch it, just watch it. Thom and the Heads posted:this is a truly crazy recommendation. I said that you'd be missing witness marks. Open Source Idiom posted:I think that the two time period structure sucks some of the tension out of the narrative, though it offers some thematic heft in other areas, and I think the show's quite poorly paced at times. The genre material has a tendency towards unintentional comedy, and can be incredibly predictable besides (and while I acknowledge that's not really the draw of this production, it's still disappointing). But the show's tendency to treat me like I'm an idiot is something I've no patience for. This is also part of it. This show could use a trim. Maybe not episodes worth but a few minutes could definitely be edited out. I think I'd have rather seen the show play out somewhat sequentially instead of jumping around. I understand that jumping around was a thematic element of the show but I didn't like it much when I thought back on it.
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Oct 15, 2018 09:08
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The core of this show is the family and the trauma that they've each individually been through so suggesting that people skip those early episodes where the audience is learning about what's happened to them is just really bizarre to me. Also the non-chronological nature of the story was one of my favorite parts and I loved how we would be presented with a scene from one perspective and then episodes later be presented with a different perspective of the same scene - completely altering our take on what happened. The scene where Steve finds Luke after he's been in his apartment is a great example of this. First, you're shown it from Steve's perspective and Luke just looks like a junkie trying to score but seeing it from his perspective, you get a totally different read of his character in that he wasn't actually using at all and was just trying to get himself and Joey off the street. The scene with Theo in her dance studio is set up in the very first episode but doesn't pay off until the last episode of the series (to great effect, imo). I think the show would lose a lot if the events were displayed chronologically. On another note, holy cow did this show remind me of the reality-bending stuff in Oculus. If you enjoyed this show and haven't seen it, I'd highly recommend it. Same director and it shows.
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Oct 15, 2018 11:04
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(spoilers up to episode seven)Thom and the Heads posted:I think the show would lose a lot if the events were displayed chronologically. I think it loses a lot by presenting them chronologically too. Once the first episode's over, you know who croaks and roughly when they do, so a lot of that tension's lost. The end of episode five gets a decent amount of thrill out of that inevitability, but otherwise I don't think the show really uses our foreknowledge in any clever ways. Even in your first example, Luke stealing from Steve, the audience is primed to recognise that there's more to the story from the way the scene's shot, and because Luke straight up says as much. I'd argue that an audience with even a modicum of familiarity with genre fiction would be aware of what's going on, largely because the scene, like so much else in the show, is so aggressively scaffolded. I think it bears repeating, I do think I get what the show is doing -- but I don't think it gets there. The characters are stuck in the past (hence the flashbacks!) They're haunted (by literal ghosts!) They've lost contact with each other (Rashamon!) But it's so obvious about it. It's a problem that leaks into the specifics of the character writing as well; the cast is generally performing pretty well, but the characters they're inhabiting are broad and unsubtle, and seem to be build around a handful of clumsy metaphors. Worse, the script has a tendency to have them act out their choices, and then have the script point out exactly what happened a few minutes later. ("Yo Theo, you just dumped that girl after a one night stand!" Yes, we know, we just saw it happen.) I reckon they're entertaining when they're together, because it's fun to watch the broad types interact, but I don't think that, solo, they're capable of of holding up the weight the show bears down on them. (Actually, the funeral scenes in episode six are technically impressive for a number of reasons. I suspect that the one-shot will get the most attention, but I think the way the script managed to handle conversations between its large cast is more impressive. It's really a bunch of smaller scenes that all run into each other, but it flows pretty well and it's pacey too. But to bring it back to structure, I just think there's a fundamental level of artifice and contrivance to the show that it can't overcome. For me, the discursive perspectives don't add as much as they take away, something suggested by the fact that you can skip large quantities of the show and not functionally lose anything. It's not that I'd recommend doing that -- that's bonkers -- it's just that it betrays just how simple the show actually is. It's not saying anything with that narrative that it couldn't tell any other way. So I guess I feel that they're motivated primarily by how cool it'd be to tell a story that way, rather than because the story really demanded that approach. Edit: Look, I know this sounds harsh, but it's not like the show is so bad I've stopped watching. I've genuinely enjoyed it more the further in I've gotten (which, given this is Hill House we're talking about, is a worrying sign). It could even pull that rabbit out of its hat. But I'm not convinced the terrible warm up act was worth it for the main event. Open Source Idiom fucked around with this message at 11:58 on Oct 15, 2018 |
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Oct 15, 2018 11:46
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I don't know why it didn't click until the 10th episode but (Luke's episode spoilers)he was probably cold and stiff because it's a twin thing and Nell got eaten.
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Oct 15, 2018 11:59
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"Liked the show, but maybe it could be better if they skipped the family and the house and the ghosts. Just a thought  " - SA
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Oct 15, 2018 12:43
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Monglo posted:"Liked the show, but maybe it could be better if they skipped the family and the house and the ghosts. Just a thought Yeah, but is anyone actually saying this?
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Oct 15, 2018 12:51
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Nope. It may seem like I'm saying that but that's just because I suck at communicating that I think the show could use a trim and the way it's structured exacerbates that problem.
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Oct 15, 2018 13:42
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I thought there was some good stuff in the show but overall I was kind of disappointed. I'm not sure what people were on about when they said there weren't many jump scares. There were so many, and they just got really tired, predictable and annoying. The stupid musical sting that EVERY jump scare has to do is incredibly annoying. Honestly the only unsettling part of the show for me was the floating cane guy with Luke hiding under the bed. That was really good and I wish they could have had more scenes like that. Maybe it's just not my type of horror, I dunno. Also I thought the ending wasn't good either, I mean making it out like letting the house win, getting what it wants as a happy ending? The gently caress is that about?
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Oct 15, 2018 14:07
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Episode 6 is one of the best episodes of TV I’ve seen this year. Anyone saying to skip the earlier episodes doesn’t really understand storytelling on any level, but let’s not make fun of them
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Oct 16, 2018 03:03
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Aphex- posted:Maybe it's just not my type of horror, I dunno. Also I thought the ending wasn't good either, I mean making it out like letting the house win, getting what it wants as a happy ending? The gently caress is that about? It's a thematic thing; the entire point is that you can't kill the evil ghost house (mental illness, trauma) from your childhood for good and you can't stop evil ghost houses (mental illness, trauma) from happening, all you can do is live fearlessly in spite of them and try to negotiate something like happiness and health knowing they happened and might come for you again. Sort of like It Follows and sexual trauma/anxiety/disease, if you saw that. I'm not 100% sure it knocked this feeling out of the park, but it's absolutely what it was angling at.
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Oct 16, 2018 06:28
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No. 1 Apartheid Fan posted:It's a thematic thing; the entire point is that you can't kill the evil ghost house (mental illness, trauma) from your childhood for good and you can't stop evil ghost houses (mental illness, trauma) from happening, all you can do is live fearlessly in spite of them and try to negotiate something like happiness and health knowing they happened and might come for you again. Sort of like It Follows and sexual trauma/anxiety/disease, if you saw that. Yeah I think I do understand what they were going for. I think it's just the way they did it. I have seen It Follows and really liked it, I think the difference is the ending for that didn't have the weird uplifting music and the feel good cheesy voice-over which I felt didn't really fit with the style of the show.
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Oct 16, 2018 07:59
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I enjoyed this show although I would say it isn't really horror so much as a character driven drama that uses horror elements in its story telling. The ending did end up making it feel like American Horror Story: Murder House except played straight.
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Oct 16, 2018 08:21
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I'm really glad that I stuck with this show, episode 6 was great and I am just finishing 7. I could maybe have done with a little less family drama and more creepy house, but all the previous episodes paid out.
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Oct 16, 2018 10:21
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LionArcher posted:Episode 6 is one of the best episodes of TV I’ve seen this year. Anyone saying to skip the earlier episodes doesn’t really understand storytelling on any level, but let’s not make fun of them I know my opinion isn't popular but don't be passive-aggressive towards me, especially since I created the goddamn thread. I thought the family drama was one of the weaker parts of the show and that's because it comes off like a stage play. Shirley and Theo come off as weak characters to me because in the end they don't factor into the mystery the show sets up and the mystery is what kept me watching, not the family drama.
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Oct 16, 2018 14:48
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The family drama is what the show is about.
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Oct 16, 2018 14:59
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I watched it viewing the mystery of what happened the night they lost their mother to be what the show was about. The family drama and that mystery are connected but the mystery was what kept my interest.
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Oct 16, 2018 15:14
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Some comments and questions The Abigail thing seemed poorly planned. She just happened to constantly sneak out of her house, and only meet up with Luke when nobody else is around? Also, the Dudleys seemed surprisingly calm about her death. Maybe I missed something, but the show never really told us what happened after they left the house. The dad got questioned by the police, but apparently didn't go jail but just left the kids to be raised by the aunt, who hates him? I don't think they ever mentioned what made all the kids hate him either. Lastly I would have liked some more clarification about the ghosts. Most of them seemed rather harmless and that it was just Poppy that was behind all the bad stuff. But everyone just talks about the house being bad.
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Oct 16, 2018 18:38
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Oasx posted:Some comments and questions They hated him because they think he's somehow responsible for their mother's death, or at least aware he's consciously lying about it. They know they "left" their mom behind in the house, but (depending on the kid) they don't really know or remember what happened, and it's obvious their dad is hiding poo poo about her from them. In the funeral home scene, at the peak of his anger, Steven says something like "the wrong parent died". In trying to protect their image of who their mom was, dad inadvertently made himself the villain in the story. And they've had 25 years to dwell on it. quote:Lastly I would have liked some more clarification about the ghosts. Most of them seemed rather harmless and that it was just Poppy that was behind all the bad stuff. But everyone just talks about the house being bad. I don't think it's just Poppy. The mom's ghost was also malicious - she was trying to lure the twins back to the house so they would die and join her and she could finish what she was doing when she died - but the dad ends up reasoning with her. That said, I think some amount of the ambiguity is deliberate. Just like there are early questions about how much of the supernatural is real and how much of it is the family being nuts, in the end there are questions about how much the house itself is a willful malicious entity VS simply being a novelty in the world - a building where people who die become ghosts - where terrible things happen because ghosts keep driving people nuts, and then they kill themselves, and then there are more deranged, angry ghosts to keep up the cycle. Baku fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Oct 16, 2018 |
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Oct 16, 2018 21:00
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Gaunab posted:I know my opinion isn't popular but don't be passive-aggressive towards me, especially since I created the goddamn thread. He wasn't being passive aggressive. If he was being passive aggressive he wouldn't have posted anything and just let you keep making stupid posts so you would get your comeuppance.
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Oct 16, 2018 22:59
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My commupence for not liking something about a show I like? It's too late for that.
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Oct 16, 2018 23:30
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I'd say there were a good amount of jump scares. If this counts as "lack of jump scares" I don't want to watch modern horror. Decent show overall, though the ending was weird That being said The first scene with the cane guy and Luke hiding under the bed was legit the scariest horror scene I've seen in my life. Something about it was really disturbing.
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Oct 17, 2018 03:40
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The only jump scares I can remember are the Theo smiley man bed scare and the biggest one was Nell jumping out in the car. Most of the scares are telegraphed or they’re random spooky poo poo in the background. It really didn’t feel like there were many cheap scares to me. Also I just rewatched the first episode and that first face in the stairs right in the opening scene scared the poo poo out of me. gently caress.
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Oct 17, 2018 04:00
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There were a lot of jump scares in the first five and a half episodes, I know that because that's the time I started saying to myself that it was getting old. Like the director knew he was good at them and so was afraid to try any other kind of horror. Then the show had the moment with Nell becoming the Bent-Neck Lady, which meant all the terror from that was gone, and it became more about the family drama, which was a different kind of horror. I like that the show brought up and used sleep paralysis as a plot point, because that's how almost all the jump scares in the first half started and could have been explained by.No. 1 Apartheid Fan posted:I don't think it's just Poppy. The mom's ghost was also malicious - she was trying to lure the twins back to the house so they would die and join her and she could finish what she was doing when she died - but the dad ends up reasoning with her. That said, I think some amount of the ambiguity is deliberate. Just like there are early questions about how much of the supernatural is real and how much of it is the family being nuts, in the end there are questions about how much the house itself is a willful malicious entity VS simply being a novelty in the world - a building where people who die become ghosts - where terrible things happen because ghosts keep driving people nuts, and then they kill themselves, and then there are more deranged, angry ghosts to keep up the cycle. She was a big part of it, Liv might not have gone off the edge without a push from Poppy, but I forget the exact sequence of events because of the non-linear storytelling. Didn't really feel earned because Poppy was only introduced in I think the ninth episode. If the house didn't have Poppy to conjure up, I wonder how it would have "fed" on anyone since none of the other ghosts seemed interested in doing anything but hanging out and doing spooky stuff. Only Cane Man appeared malicious but he didn't do anything but hover around and glare at people.
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Oct 17, 2018 04:08
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I thought that overall the show was really well done. Having just watched Gerald's game 2 weeks ago I felt a bit of a casting whiplash between Theo Hugh and Olivia, but hey I like all 3 of their actors so whatever works. It was nice to see Monica Reyes from the X files as Mrs. Dudley, and I had a chuckle when I recognized Mr. Dudley as the telemarketing boss from Sorry to Bother You. There was a solid amount of horror in the series to not be overwhelmed by the family drama that was front and center. i'd say it was somewhat all over the place in what it wanted to be though; we had spooky unacknowledged ghosts in the background, jump scares, gore, slowly building sequences of dread, real monsters (addiction and child abuse), ghouls crawling out from behind things, dreams, waking dreams, and distortions in time and space. Nothing felt stale or overdone, but it felt uneven in consistency. I liked the non-linear narrative structure, but I somewhat agree with criticisms of its pacing. Each family member has an entire episode centered around them, and it sucks up a lot of the time. We know by the end of episode 1 that the story is going to go to the family reuniting for Nell's funeral, but the plot only moves towards that point a little bit through each of episodes 2-5. Then 6 has a lot of cathartic character development, but then 7 covers Hugh's backstory, 8 moves the modern story forward finally, then 9 for Olivia's background and the reveal of what happened that night, and then 10 for the final conclusion. I did really like it and I'm not sure the story could have been done better differently, but it's frustrating both from the standpoint of inverted dramatic irony because all the characters know more than the audience, and because it's asking so much of us to care about these characters before we've gotten invested in them via the story moving forward. LionArcher posted:Episode 6 is one of the best episodes of TV I’ve seen this year. Agreed. Filming 50 minutes of nothing but consecutive tracking shots up until the casket falls over was really ambitious and it managed to be both suffocating and tense in the funeral home and suffocating and disorienting in the house. 10/10 episode. Also that scene in ep 5 at the wedding when Nell and Steve are watching Shirley watching Theo dancing with the bridesmaid and coming to the realization was the cutest loving thing and felt the most like an adult sibling interaction in the entire series  Did they put Henry Thomas in contacts to match his eye color to Timothy Hutton? I swear his eyes have never been that light in color before and it was jarring in close-ups. Aphex- posted:I think the difference is the ending for that didn't have the weird uplifting music and the feel good cheesy voice-over which I felt didn't really fit with the style of the show. The show opened with Steve's voiceover, so stylistically it made sense. I agree that the song sounded uplifting, and Gregory Alan Isakov's stuff has been used in feel good commercials a lot (I heard him in a Subaru commercial last week), but the lyrics are on the loving nose with this one: quote:This house
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Oct 17, 2018 04:22
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LifeLynx posted:There were a lot of jump scares in the first five and a half episodes, I know that because that's the time I started saying to myself that it was getting old. Like the director knew he was good at them and so was afraid to try any other kind of horror. Then the show had the moment with Nell becoming the Bent-Neck Lady, which meant all the terror from that was gone, and it became more about the family drama, which was a different kind of horror. I like that the show brought up and used sleep paralysis as a plot point, because that's how almost all the jump scares in the first half started and could have been explained by. I guess we have different definitions of what a jump scare is. To me it’s when something comes out of the absolute blue like one of those YouTube scream videos. If the lights go out or you see a persons face twist into terror or whatever and you know something scary is about to happen, like in the sleep paralysis scenes you mention, it takes away the element of surprise for me. But I think I understand what you and the others that mentioned it mean now. Starks fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Oct 17, 2018 |
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Oct 17, 2018 04:24
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The tone of the horror was set about ten minutes into the first episode, when we cut from a silent corridor to Hugh getting into bed. The noise made by him pulling back those covers is so loving loud, it's designed to make you jump. I don't think the show ever goes quite so cheap again (smiley man at the end of the bed gets pretty close though, not to mention the constant "hauntings" which are actually revealed to be bad dreams). Put a really bad taste in my mouth tbh. Cane man in episode four is aces though.
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Oct 17, 2018 05:02
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They found 4 pretty decent child actors and then Luke. Shouldn't make fun of kids but that kid sucks.
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Oct 17, 2018 16:11
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Doltos posted:They found 4 pretty decent child actors and then Luke. Shouldn't make fun of kids but that kid sucks. At some point during the show I suddenly realized I was impressed that the child actors didn't annoy me at all. I don't know what they were thinking with Luke - he doesn't look or act anything like his adult version, which happens in real life (my brother wore glasses like that and had a slight speech impediment too at that age, but looks totally different in hair color, doesn't wear glasses, and speaks just fine as an adult) but threw me off and I kept confusing Adult Luke for Adult Steve.
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Oct 17, 2018 16:33
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We finished up last night and enjoyed the heck out of it. I am a Grown rear end Man and don't get scared by TV shows or movies (mostly because I watch too much stuff and can usually see when jump scares or big reveals are coming) but I liked the atmosphere and I honestly thought the funeral home was more unnerving and creepy than Hill House. The idea of living above a morgue and a viewing parlor is ick. I thought the Nell revel was excellent and I was satisfied with how it ended and I can totally see how a season 2 could work if they opt for one. Just because we can come to terms with our demons doesn't mean they won't come back and still try to destroy us. I liked how easily scenes were re-contextualized and changed the tone from ghost creepy to mental illness and addiction creepy, making you wonder what was 'real' and not all along. I understand why they had two different actors place the young and old version of Hugh, but I noticed the creepy contacts they made Henry Thomas wear right away and every time he was on screen it's all I could think about.
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Oct 17, 2018 20:21
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LifeLynx posted:At some point during the show I suddenly realized I was impressed that the child actors didn't annoy me at all. I don't know what they were thinking with Luke - he doesn't look or act anything like his adult version, which happens in real life (my brother wore glasses like that and had a slight speech impediment too at that age, but looks totally different in hair color, doesn't wear glasses, and speaks just fine as an adult) but threw me off and I kept confusing Adult Luke for Adult Steve. They also give the poor kid like 10 long lines to say every episode and you can tell he's trying to recite it from memory. I'm only 5 episodes in so maybe it gets better but it feels like they gave way too much spotlight and dialogue to a child actor who can barely get the lines out.
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Oct 17, 2018 20:26
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I'm halfway through (in the middle of the funeral parlor ep); am I to understand that Arthur genuinely died of an aneurysm and was not supernaturally killed, since the Bent Neck Lady was just a powerless Nell being hurtled through time?
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It's ambiguous but I'd agree with you. The house has some reach beyond its walls, but it only seems able to get into the heads of the Crains. The idea that the house was able to give Arthur an aneurysm from afar because he married into the family is a bit sillier of an interpretation than saying Arthur's aneurysm was a traumatic event that made bent-neck Nell appear.
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Oct 18, 2018 19:29
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