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Songbearer
Jul 12, 2007




Fuck you say?

Dapper_Swindler posted:

Normally that wouldn’t mean poo poo but apparently a ton of poo poo is locked behind region conquest.

Pennies to pounds they fall into the free roaming game trap of giving you cool poo poo when you conquer areas and then take away all the enemies

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VanillaGorilla
Oct 2, 2003

Played a couple more hours. Same verdict: it’s fun as a destructible sandbox but the game around it seems paper thin.

Also, to the poster above me - they 100% do this. As your lines push outward you run into way fewer enemies just out in the world.

Kinda mad I got it at full price, probably should have held off on this one.

VanillaGorilla fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Dec 4, 2018

Inzombiac
Mar 19, 2007

PARTY ALL NIGHT

EAT BRAINS ALL DAY


poo poo...

You know what? I'm gonna get a refund on this.

Smash Bros comes out on Friday and its all but guaranteed that this will drop to $40 in a month or so.

edit: But on the otherhand I have the money to spare and would like to support Avalanche. Ugh.

Inzombiac fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Dec 4, 2018

Songbearer
Jul 12, 2007




Fuck you say?
Pah, another "Releases on the 4th!" (at 5pm) gently caress-you-UK release time. I'm still gonna give this game a whirl but if they don't pull it off, I'm gonna lose all my faith in Just Cause.

Glad to hear the A-Team is behind RAGE 2 because that thing looks fun as gently caress

Grem
Mar 29, 2004

It's how her species communicates

Few hours of time with the game and it's definitely Just Cause. Well worth the money if you want a Just Cause game.

Calaveron
Aug 7, 2006
:negative:

Inzombiac posted:

poo poo...

You know what? I'm gonna get a refund on this.

Smash Bros comes out on Friday and its all but guaranteed that this will drop to $40 in a month or so.

edit: But on the otherhand I have the money to spare and would like to support Avalanche. Ugh.

Why would you want to support a mediocre product

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

playing on xbox one x and can confirm the game is a big ugly mess.

in addition to what has already been covered:

-worst looking water ive seen in a game since like the 90's. JC2 was photorealistic in comparison. got in a boat at one point and it had no wake nor any other impact of the water's surface it was just gliding across like it was ice. the water itself looked like tiles from planescape torment or some poo poo

-they tried to do some effect on helicopter blades i guess to make them look the way they do on film, but what it actually looks like is the helicopters have a motionless flat star transparency.gif on top of them and it looks terrible

-the control/menu system is baffling

-its super easy to get stuck inside the geometry of various vehicles and buildings

basically the whole thing has a feeling like they didnt start working on the game until like a month ago and slapped the whole thing together in a mad drunk rush

i have had some fun moments and am looking forward to exploring the world but man I hope they fix this poo poo its the ugliest AAA game in a long long time

Earwicker fucked around with this message at 01:59 on Dec 4, 2018

Inzombiac
Mar 19, 2007

PARTY ALL NIGHT

EAT BRAINS ALL DAY


Jesus christ

https://www.reddit.com/r/JustCause/comments/a2pxi0/guys_i_think_i_bought_the_n64_version/

Byolante
Mar 23, 2008

by Cyrano4747
There is something badly wrong with the LOD settings on consoles. Seems fine to me on PC tho

edit: Its really jarring going from 4k ultra gameplay to 1080x30 cutscenes then back. All the cutscenes look in engine so I have no idea why its not just doing the animation in engine.

Byolante fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Dec 4, 2018

Malcolm Excellent
May 20, 2007

Buglord
I messed with a few settings updated my driver's and it's running great and looking great. I love the whip melee. I love the stupid balloons and boosters too.

Haptical Sales Slut
Mar 15, 2010

Age 18 to 49
Playing on xbone x it's pretty much just cause with HDR, which is totally worth it.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

VanillaGorilla posted:

Played a couple more hours. Same verdict: it’s fun as a destructible sandbox but the game around it seems paper thin.

Also, to the poster above me - they 100% do this. As your lines push outward you run into way fewer enemies just out in the world.

Kinda mad I got it at full price, probably should have held off on this one.

Sucks, really glad I didn’t buy it now, sucks.

Earwicker posted:

playing on xbox one x and can confirm the game is a big ugly mess.

in addition to what has already been covered:

-worst looking water ive seen in a game since like the 90's. JC2 was photorealistic in comparison. got in a boat at one point and it had no wake nor any other impact of the water's surface it was just gliding across like it was ice. the water itself looked like tiles from planescape torment or some poo poo

-they tried to do some effect on helicopter blades i guess to make them look the way they do on film, but what it actually looks like is the helicopters have a motionless flat star transparency.gif on top of them and it looks terrible

-the control/menu system is baffling

-its super easy to get stuck inside the geometry of various vehicles and buildings

basically the whole thing has a feeling like they didnt start working on the game until like a month ago and slapped the whole thing together in a mad drunk rush

i have had some fun moments and am looking forward to exploring the world but man I hope they fix this poo poo its the ugliest AAA game in a long long time


Christ, i wonder what happened? They seemed to have learned from 3.

Byolante
Mar 23, 2008

by Cyrano4747
There is a bug with LOD scaling for sure

https://imgur.com/a/bGOHIjz

I just captured those, it seems to be loading bad textures close up and good textures far away?



thats the settings I am running

Qmass
Jun 3, 2003

If a game is blurry the first thing I would try is AA off. I dunno if I am alone but Modern AA techniques (post process I guess) are garbage IMO.

Byolante
Mar 23, 2008

by Cyrano4747

Qmass posted:

If a game is blurry the first thing I would try is AA off. I dunno if I am alone but Modern AA techniques (post process I guess) are garbage IMO.

I am hoping DLSS will be good

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I’m playing it now and it feels like a beta. Like all sorts of weird bugs. Is there supposed to be a Day 1 patch tomorrow?

Deakul
Apr 2, 2012

PAM PA RAM

PAM PAM PARAAAAM!

Inzombiac posted:

poo poo...

You know what? I'm gonna get a refund on this.

Smash Bros comes out on Friday and its all but guaranteed that this will drop to $40 in a month or so.

edit: But on the otherhand I have the money to spare and would like to support Avalanche. Ugh.

gently caress that noise, this shouldn't have gotten released like this and if they don't fix it before the actual release date(tomorrow lmao) then they'll have hosed up royally.

Qmass
Jun 3, 2003

Was avalanche bought out by Bethesda/zenimax or something? The way they are cashing in on their "good" name seems very short sighted...

Orv
May 4, 2011

Qmass posted:

Was avalanche bought out by Bethesda/zenimax or something? The way they are cashing in on their "good" name seems very short sighted...

Among my hottest arsenal of takes is that Avalanche is actually a bad studio with an incredible one hit wonder (JC2) and a slowly increasing slew of other bad to mediocre games. Proof, subjective such as it is, keeps piling up and I think RAGE 2 and Generation Zero, their 60s Scandanavian robot L4D should round it out nicely.

I'm not as happy about it as that implies though, JC2 was loving incredible and now all of this.

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Okay the new tethers system is loving hilarious. It’s basically Fulton 2.0. I ripped a giant steel exploding testicle out of the loving ground and it flopped around like an idiot before causing a massive explosion.

Haptical Sales Slut
Mar 15, 2010

Age 18 to 49

Orv posted:

Among my hottest arsenal of takes is that Avalanche is actually a bad studio with an incredible one hit wonder (JC2) and a slowly increasing slew of other bad to mediocre games.

Except mad max owned

Flannelette
Jan 17, 2010


This must be a lod bug, see:
https://www.reddit.com/r/JustCause/comments/a2pwha/so_i_just_noticed_that_the_tracks_of_the_railway/
I can't find it but I've seen a stream that had these tracks as 3d.

Nuts and Gum posted:

Except mad max owned

Debatable.
It did lots right but the game felt like a slog to play.

Kibayasu
Mar 28, 2010

Nuts and Gum posted:

Except mad max owned

That’s probably a bit strong but it was way better than it had any right to be.

Orv
May 4, 2011

Nuts and Gum posted:

Except mad max owned

I bounced off it extremely hard, everything about the game from the combat, both car and on foot, to every single mission and activity was extremely same-y in the six or so hours in I managed. E: And not terribly fun the first time either.

Orv fucked around with this message at 05:46 on Dec 4, 2018

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

mad max had much better ground vehicle handling than jc3 (or jc4) and a more interesting world than expected given what they had to work with, but the combat was extremely boring and repetitive and the game didnt really have that fun free feeling of jc2

im definitely starting to buy the theory that jc2 was a weird fluke of luck and in general these people just dont make very good games. too bad its a great concept but they really hosed up the execution twice in a row now

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS


well, okay, I guess

Merrill Grinch
May 21, 2001

infuriated by investments
This game randomly looks impressively bad on my PS Pro. The lighting effects often go bonkers, there's a lot of screen door effect on the far away landscapes and a lot of the textures just don't look that great. The performance seems to be rock-solid though. I liked 2 & 3 (and Max) but this feels like a definite "wait till it's patched and on sale" game.

Everybody's bitching about Bethesda's massive gently caress-up but Square Enix has now put out this, the Quiet Man and Shadow of the Tomb Raider in less than two months.

Flannelette
Jan 17, 2010


Earwicker posted:

mad max had much better ground vehicle handling than jc3 (or jc4) and a more interesting world than expected given what they had to work with, but the combat was extremely boring and repetitive and the game didnt really have that fun free feeling of jc2

im definitely starting to buy the theory that jc2 was a weird fluke of luck and in general these people just dont make very good games. too bad its a great concept but they really hosed up the execution twice in a row now

JC2 had a very extended dev time with some delays ending up with a more "when its done" kind of game with more polish, bonus content and balance, JC3 and 4 were made with the expansion studio on a tighter time frame.

jbusbysack
Sep 6, 2002
i heart syd
The Twitch streams that I tried to watch in US primetime afternoon/evening were atrociously bad. And I mean unwatchable from the people that were granted "promo/advance copies" and tried to act all PERSONALITY-Online.

Cmon marketing teams. Your game was made to look horrible by garbage people.

Malcolm Excellent
May 20, 2007

Buglord
I am having a ton of fun so far, but I haven't done any story past unlocking a few things like air drops and some grappling accessories. I just like tearing up all the bases and raising hell.

I have a 1080, and I7 and 32GB of ram and it seems to be running really smooth, no crashes.

A few really funny glitches to look out for though, I have seen more than once civilian helicopters just fly into bad guy helicopters during combat.

TjyvTompa
Jun 1, 2001

im gay

InsertPotPun posted:

Who cares about graphics? Are the enemies still god-like bullet sponges who can hit you from waaaaaaay far away? Are you still constantly being shot so standing still for 5 seconds is a death sentence? Can you actually use a helicopter without it being blown up by constantly spawning rocket launcher guys and/or AA guns that rocket you down with half a second warning? Can I drive for 5 seconds before ROCKETING my car over a cliff by accident or have each and every constantly spawning enemy vehicle always outrunning any vehicle and flawlessly ramming the front making escape all but impossible? Can I derail a train or tie balloons to it? Is it playable and fun?

I don't want to seem like I only want to poo poo on the game but....it's even worse than the previous games now. High level enemies (tanks, snipers, rocket launcher guys) spawn instantly. The enemy response doesn't "scale" it's balls to the wall from the getgo. And even worse, the helicopters do not spawn alone any more, there are always at least 2 of them so when you grapple to one of them you are instantly, loving instantly, hit with a homing missile before you can even get into the chopper.

There is also a new enemy type that is like the sniper but instead of a sniper rifle he has a rocket launcher and his "homing beam" is green instead of red. So you know how the snipers were impossible to avoid now you have these guys too. The game is seriously difficult, I failed the first mission (after the intro) several times after the truck you are supposed to escort got blown up by the insane amount of enemies that spawned constantly. And yes, the enemies still spawn right behind your back, just like in JC3.

I had a mission where I needed to "hack" 6 computers in 2 minutes, the were so many enemies and despite just beelining for the computers and actually doing quite well at avoiding getting hit I beat the mission with half a second to spare, if I had stopped to shoot even 1 guy I would have failed.

I have never refunded a game before and I have bought some real-rear end stinkers but this game....man.

RatHat
Dec 31, 2007

A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!
Did they bring back the jetpack wingsuit from the JC3 DLC for this? That thing was amazing and made getting around so much faster.

TjyvTompa
Jun 1, 2001

im gay

RatHat posted:

Did they bring back the jetpack wingsuit from the JC3 DLC for this? That thing was amazing and made getting around so much faster.

Only if you pre-ordered/bought the most expensive edition. And also they ruined the jetpack and made it bad and annoying to use, enjoy!

RatHat
Dec 31, 2007

A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!
What do you mean annoying to use?

GreatGreen
Jul 3, 2007
That's not what gaslighting means you hyperbolic dipshit.
Easter Egg spoiler video:

homage to Getting Over It

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=90&v=66-8aS-jqQg

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!
I figured this game had a retarded difficulty level, watching the enemy introduction video of theirs a while back. Usually I tend to switch to Easy mode to have fun, but sounds like this will be an issue this time around.

CV 64 Fan
Oct 13, 2012

It's pretty dope.
So glad I gamefly'd this instead of Subnautica...

Songbearer
Jul 12, 2007




Fuck you say?
Woof. Looks like I'll have to keep an eye on this game before I go past the 2 hour refund window.

How the hell do you gently caress up Just Cause a second time?!

Byolante
Mar 23, 2008

by Cyrano4747
I have played about 4 hours now and i am having a lot of fun. All the tether attachments allow for very silly things like riding a giant gas ball into an enemy base then dropping it onto the main cannon or making a rocket chariot out of a shipping container and a gas silo.

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DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

Yes...Ha ha ha...YES!



Songbearer posted:

Woof. Looks like I'll have to keep an eye on this game before I go past the 2 hour refund window.

How the hell do you gently caress up Just Cause a second time?!

by having the b-team work on it a second time while the a-team works on a different sequel that nobody ever asked for

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