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Best Not WWE Name
This poll is closed.
Up North 70 41.92%
New York 21 12.57%
Titan 12 7.19%
Stamford 18 10.78%
The XXX Porno Wrestling on the Other Channel 46 27.54%
Total: 167 votes
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MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

Hako posted:

Because the general population even knows the "indies" exist. You pure wraassstlin folk are a minority.

Forget the indies, fewer people watch wrestling now than watched before the WWF went national. More people were willing to watch territorial wrestling than anything that has aired in the US for years and years.

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bartok
May 10, 2006



Hako posted:

You are in the minority, maybe not on these forums but in terms of the public.

A moonsault isn't exciting after the 500th time.

A home run or a touchdown isn't exciting after the 500th time.

hunnert car pileup
Oct 28, 2007

the first world was a mistake

Hako posted:

A moonsault isn't exciting after the 500th time.

Kobashi busting out the moonsault was always awesome gtfo

Hako
Jul 14, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

bartok posted:

A home run or a touchdown isn't exciting after the 500th time.

Football isn't scripted. Ratings are falling because there is nothing exciting being scripted for wrestling no crazy zany moments.

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

can I nominate the WWE paying Hako to post on this forum for the bracket

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012


Hako posted:

Ratings are falling because there is nothing exciting being scripted for wrestling no crazy zany moments.

I guess I’m glad baseball isn’t the only thing you know nothing about

For your next subject you clearly know nothing about, try the soccer subforum instead of the football one, because I actually read the football one

Hako
Jul 14, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
I get everyone wants to be on the right side of history, but guess what Wrestling is loving boring now and the ratings reflect that, you can have a moonsault royal rumble and its still not going to bring ratings.

ThePariah
Feb 10, 2014
Boxing is scripted and millions of people pay to see the big fights.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Hako posted:

Because the general population even knows the "indies" exist. You pure wraassstlin folk are a minority.

There are multiple indies able to draw large crowds while WWE is tarping off chunks of seats at TV tapings. All In was an independently funded event that drew 10,000 people. The main event was a 6 man tag with high flyers. Ring of Honor have been able to get shows at MSG. Northeast Wrestling regularly draws large crowds with main events featuring people like Kenny Omega and the Young Bucks.

The pure wrasslin' folk are the only ones left watching WWE, because of fandom of indvidual wrestlers and an overall love of wrestling, like I mentioned. The hardcores are the people keeping WWE from losing money on the Network. The people looking for zaniness hosed off to MMA some time ago.

Hako posted:

I get everyone wants to be on the right side of history, but guess what Wrestling is loving boring now and the ratings reflect that, you can have a moonsault royal rumble and its still not going to bring ratings.

The most lucrative time in wrestling history (late 90's) had lots of good wrestling. Both WCW and WWE knew you had to offer not just memorable characters and stories but great wrestlers. That's why people like Ric Flair, Steve Austin and Eddie Guerrero became popular, they were interesting in the ring AND out. It's why Kenny Omega is the most popular gaijin in Japan of the decade, it's a universal thing.

This isn't about being on the right side of history for me. There are so many ways I can choose to spend my free time, and I don't want to have my intelligence insulted by putting on storylines that would only appeal to the type of 12 year old who ends up torturing animals. If I'm watching wrestling I want it to be good.

El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Dec 6, 2018

Gumball Gumption
Jan 7, 2012

Hako posted:

I get everyone wants to be on the right side of history, but guess what Wrestling is loving boring now and the ratings reflect that, you can have a moonsault royal rumble and its still not going to bring ratings.

Comedy and light hearted stuff has a place in wrestling but WWE sucks at it. They're just not funny or fun. gently caress the idea that any of the racist or sexist stuff should come back.

Like, All In had both pure wrasslin matches and also had Joey Ryan and dick druids. All types of wrestling can draw, WWE just sucks at all of them.

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS

this last page is proof WWE gives people brainworms and they're loving impossible to get rid of.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

coconono posted:

this last page is proof WWE gives people brainworms and they're loving impossible to get rid of.

If more proof was required, just look at the type of harassment Meltzer puts up with for being correct on Twitter.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

Hako posted:

I get everyone wants to be on the right side of history, but guess what Wrestling is loving boring now and the ratings reflect that, you can have a moonsault royal rumble and its still not going to bring ratings.

https://twitter.com/randygdub/status/796229362643152896

Hako
Jul 14, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
Way to cherry pick, I'm not saying we need more racism theres lots of things on that list that are not that.

SatoshiMiwa
May 6, 2007


There's like a million different exciting things you can do that don't involve being insulting people for weight, being a homophobe or a transphobe, making fun of employees being sick but hey if that's exciting TV for you than the WWE is the company for you cause right now they're doing Saudi propaganda and using one of their employees Cancer illness to build heat

Hako
Jul 14, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

SatoshiMiwa posted:

There's like a million different exciting things you can do that don't involve being insulting people for weight, being a homophobe or a transphobe, making fun of employees being sick but hey if that's exciting TV for you than the WWE is the company for you cause right now they're doing Saudi propaganda and using one of their employees Cancer illness to build heat

Saudis and Cancer don't get me hard, borrrrinnnngggggg

TheKingslayer
Sep 3, 2008

Remember when Vince had Bischoff rape his wife in kayfabe? Vince really had his finger on the pulse ya know?

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




Grimey Drawer

TheKingslayer posted:

Remember when Vince had Bischoff rape his wife in kayfabe? Vince really had his finger on the pulse ya know?

Also had Bischoff force himself on Stephanie in kayfabe. While he was initially wearing a Vince McMahon mask.

Price Check
Oct 9, 2012
Reid never even worked there. At least all those other people consented to being WWE pawns in some form when they were exploited.

Reid gets my vote.

Wazzu
Feb 28, 2008

Are you sure I'm winning the Rumble? That does'nt seem right.....

Price Check posted:

Reid never even worked there. At least all those other people consented to being WWE pawns in some form when they were exploited.

Reid gets my vote.

Less long term awful, but so tasteless they scrubbed it from the record immediately.

Also awful because the audience didn't understand it, delivery was bad, wasn't built up etc. It was the first time in forever women main evented RAW and it was for garbage controversy.

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS

Wazzu posted:

Less long term awful, but so tasteless they scrubbed it from the record immediately.

Also awful because the audience didn't understand it, delivery was bad, wasn't built up etc. It was the first time in forever women main evented RAW and it was for garbage controversy.

I'd forgive it if it immediately jumped to a brawl and Charlotte tried to put Paige's eye out but instead she just stood there and took it like a weak goof. You say poo poo about dead family members, fights happen, that's how it works.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

Hako posted:

Way to cherry pick, I'm not saying we need more racism theres lots of things on that list that are not that.

Which of the 64 entries on that list did you really enjoy? Was it the misogyny, the honoring murderers and white nationalist homophobes, which?

SatoshiMiwa
May 6, 2007


MassRafTer posted:

Which of the 64 entries on that list did you really enjoy? Was it the misogyny, the honoring murderers and white nationalist homophobes, which?

All at the same time is classic Russo booking which has always brought excitement and...horrible ratings

Beef Jerky Robot
Sep 20, 2009

"And the DICK?"

Hako do you WWE should just say "s*ck it" to the censors and get rid of the frickin PG?!?

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
The full bracket for anyone who didn't want to listen to a 2 hour podcast

https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1070855817287647232

Gavok
Oct 10, 2005

Brock! Oh, man, I'm sorry about your...

...tooth?


TheKingslayer posted:

Remember when Vince had Bischoff rape his wife in kayfabe? Vince really had his finger on the pulse ya know?

What about that time when Vince was going to be forced to face the Undertaker in a Buried Alive match and he went on this loving insane promo where he ordered Paul Heyman to 1) have the Undertaker's children kidnapped, 2) have terrorists blow up the Undertaker's house and 3) have a biker gang rape the Undertaker's wife while Undertaker is forced to watch.

Wazzu
Feb 28, 2008

Are you sure I'm winning the Rumble? That does'nt seem right.....

Gavok posted:

What about that time when Vince was going to be forced to face the Undertaker in a Buried Alive match and he went on this loving insane promo where he ordered Paul Heyman to 1) have the Undertaker's children kidnapped, 2) have terrorists blow up the Undertaker's house and 3) have a biker gang rape the Undertaker's wife while Undertaker is forced to watch.

I do not remember Bischoff raping Linda, nor this particular insane promo. What the gently caress even is Vince?

.....I'm disgusted yet curious enough to want links.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
I'm not sure it would have changed the tournament but our resident 2000s Rememberer failing us really did fail us.

Smoking Crow
Feb 14, 2012

*laughs at u*

Oh poo poo I remembered you didn't put sweet Jesus she has a penis on the bracket

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
Yeah I pretty much have to run an NIT when this is over.

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008

Remember when vince told that interviewer that he picked up dead leaves off the ground and put them into a child's vagina

Hockles
Dec 25, 2007

Resident of Camp Blood
Crystal Lake

Cavauro posted:

Remember when vince told that interviewer that he picked up dead leaves off the ground and put them into a child's vagina

*sigh* It was he wanted to stuff crushed up leaves into his female cousin when he was like 6

TheKingslayer
Sep 3, 2008

Gavok posted:

What about that time when Vince was going to be forced to face the Undertaker in a Buried Alive match and he went on this loving insane promo where he ordered Paul Heyman to 1) have the Undertaker's children kidnapped, 2) have terrorists blow up the Undertaker's house and 3) have a biker gang rape the Undertaker's wife while Undertaker is forced to watch.

Ok so where can I watch this?

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008

*sigh*

TV Zombie
Sep 6, 2011

Burying all the trauma from past nights
Burying my anger in the past

Does Val Venis seducing and bedding Yamaguchi San's wife which led to the choppy choppy your pee pee angle get an entry in the NIT?

SatoshiMiwa
May 6, 2007


Just the overall treatment of Kaientai should be it's own entry for the NIT

Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN
It's pretty insane/hilarious that you could fill out a 64-field bracket of the worst things WWE has ever done, leave out enough worthy contenders to run a consolation bracket if you want, and still be left with notable snubs.

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

Cavauro posted:

Remember when vince told that interviewer that he picked up dead leaves off the ground and put them into a child's vagina

He was like 8 and also a victim of sexual abuse so

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008

I was as well

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Gavok
Oct 10, 2005

Brock! Oh, man, I'm sorry about your...

...tooth?


Wazzu posted:

I do not remember Bischoff raping Linda, nor this particular insane promo. What the gently caress even is Vince?

.....I'm disgusted yet curious enough to want links.

TheKingslayer posted:

Ok so where can I watch this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqoaneOlRR0

The part in question is about 2:40 in.

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