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cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

Kvlt! posted:

Watched Saint Maud last night. It was wicked good, I enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I would tbh. Some thoughts from a practicing Roman Catholic: my interpretation is that Maud was possessed by a demon. I think the obvious interpretation is that she was mentally ill, because the entire movie we see what is obviously a difference between how Maud perceives/sees the world and how others do. But throughout the entire movie we never once see Maud receive any of the sacraments, she doesn't go to Mass or confession. It's possible the movie just skips those scenes, but someone portrayed as devout as Maud doesn't even say a Hail Mary throughout the entire movie. She can't because she's possessed by a demon, which also causes the supernatural events and eventually drives Maud to murder/suicide

Honestly, this is how I interpreted things as well.

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cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

Maud's supposed to be a recent convert, too, which is why all of the decidedly not-Catholic things she does especially stuck out to me as both odd and purposeful. Everything else about her characterization is spot-on for the recently converted zealot, but those details are just so very much not how that sort of person would act at all that it is really glaring.

weekly font posted:

Your interpretation or not, her isolation has made her extremely devout to the religion that exists only in her head, which is a much more intense version of the established one. Similar to any “Jesus was a Capitalist” American evangelical.

Funnily enough, I didn't really find her intensity to be that off from established Catholicism, until the end bits, anyway. It's just that there are a lot of cafeteria Catholics, Easter and Christmas Catholics, and other versions of not especially adherent Catholics out there, as well.

cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

Explosivo12 posted:

I take serious offense at being called a bigot. I am not a bigot. This was clear pinkwashing of standard 90s teen horror fare. Zoomers gonna zoomer. This was a 2021 film that masquerades as 90s story. It’s LGBT trite. No problem with the LGBT community however. I do have a problem with producers ramming content about a segment of the population smaller than the state of New York. I frankly don’t get it, but again, quota gonna quota. If you want to succeed in the streaming world, you best drat change your script or in this case, bastardize the original content.

When reading all of your posts on Fear Street, you know what stood out to me? It wasn't even the in-your-face bigotry, because that where I live that exact brand of I'M NOT A BIGOT, JUST WHY DO THESE QUEERS NEED TO BE SO VISIBLE is sadly extremely common still. (For someone claiming to not be a bigot, just fyi the poo poo you posted here is exactly what actual bigots in my parts spew constantly. That's why everyone is calling you a bigot. Examine yourself, man.) It's not even the strangely slavish devotion to the idea that because a movie uses a name of another property, it needs to be a direct adaptation of that property with no changes at all. That part did make me laugh, though; I can't say I've ever seen anyone defend the immutable integrity of a decades old, pumped out en masse, commercial teen book series before. Nah, what stood out to me was the soft bigotry and incredible stupidity of deciding that there apparently were no (or at least not enough to matter, and have, like, stories written about them) LGBTQIA+ folks in the 90's. Nope. Can't set a movie in the 90's and have any of that gay stuff happen. No way. You seriously pulled out the MY IMMERSION argument regarding the actual existence of gay people in the 90's. Bravo.

Also, you can eat my old, femme-presenting, exceedingly not straight rear end. Were you old enough in the 90's to watch "standard teen horror fare"? Because if you were, you must have missed all of the actual pandering with gay content that occurred back then. But oh no, wait, most of that was girl-on-girl that was expressly made in ways meant for straight guys to beat off to, or "lol look at the sissy -- he's just like a girl" characters that were meant to be sneered/giggled at by straight audiences, not any significant representation of LGBTQIA folks as people. No wonder it didn't register to you in a way that made you mad about it.

cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

M_Sinistrari posted:

I think he's still a very determined, but still lacking finesse troll. Posts are too on the nose to rile people up.

Very well could be, but when you live surrounded by people who talk like this, it has a certain truthiness. In a lot of places, the actual bigots still say this exact kind of poo poo out loud all of the time. Edgelord bullshit is the least interesting format of trolling, anyway. Lol you people care about being seen as people! I got you good! Turns out, whether he's trolling or not, he really is stuck in the 90's in all of the worst ways.

cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

Explosivo12 posted:

See this is my point. You can’t see what’s in front of you. Fear Street was more paint by numbers Stranger Things with a dose of LGBT to make it “different” than it was anything to do with the source material. It’s no big deal to call it whatever movie you’d like, but this was clearly a woke bastardization of R.L. Stine done so to garner support, money, and to fish the hook of possible eye balls. Let me ask you a question then. If a steaming service like Netflix were to “reimagine” any 90s property you held dear like say Scream but instead made something so holy opposite of the previous incantation, would that not make you wonder “well why call it X?”

It has nothing to do with the gay stuff you weirdo. It has everything to do with it being pigeon holed in a story that did not originally contain for the sake of what?

Again, try to wrap your head around what I’m saying without feverishly typing so frantic steam is pouring out of your pretty little head. If I’m friends with gay people, have been to weddings with gay people, work with gay people and grew up with gay people how in good gracious am I a bigot? I just think you guys are clearly seeing what’s in front of you. New properties, waaaaaay more than ever contain those themes regardless if it’s the point of the story or not. Can we at least admit that and realize there may a determined “push” by big money producers to provide that type of content? It’s ok to think about and chastise. It’s like remaking TMNT and having all the turtles be gay and having April O’Neal be a heavy set man hating lesbian and having Splinter gently caress Casey Jones because well, let’s all be progressive maaaaaan.

Do you see my point? Why does new stuff love this angle? Think.

Nah, I got you. The gay-agenda-for-cash angle you were ranting about was not lost on me the first time. It's not lack of understanding what you were getting at that was my issue, it's that you're a shithead and your right wing addled conspiracy is lame. You are mistaking the social mores of the day being even slightly reflected in its media for some sort of novel, and bad, thing. Literally everything that gets put out by any even slightly more than entirely indie producer of content is going to be, in a large part, for money. You aren't pissed about that. You're pissed that this particular thing you don't like is getting treated as normal enough to include whether or not it is "plot relevant". Don't see you clamoring to ensure that any included hetero characters have their sexuality be integral to what the story is trying to say.

R.L. Stine's stuff was always a by-the-numbers cash grab. They're pulpy kids' books made by a whole crew of folks with the brand name author thrown on to get that dough. Someone rolling in and re-doing it now is not the bastardization of a beloved property. Taking stuff that's not that great but has a sliver you can work with and redoing it is literally the platonic ideal of what a remake or adaptation should do. Incidentally, I just watched Fear Street 1994. It was fun, and my biggest take away was just how much it evoked exactly the spirit of that entire genre of pulpy rear end novels from back then. Not just the Fear Street ones, but poo poo from Christopher Pike et al. as well. The Fear Street movies, or at least these first three, are all original stories, which made Part 1 feel even more in line with the book series to me. They're just new stories set in the same vein as the books. No precious R. L. Stine works are being trampled on, my dude. You just have brainworms.

cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

M_Sinistrari posted:

I'm up to start ranking franchises at this point.

My definitive ranking of the Underworld series:

1. old WoD games I played in high school
2. V:tM Bloodlines
3. Kindred: The Embraced
4. Underworld, up until the one dude went blue.
5. Whatever Underworld movie where it was set in the far past and told the story of how the werewolves and vampires got to hating each other. It had kind of good sets, iirc, and there was nobody that turned into blue CGI were-pires.
6. I think there were more. Those go here.

Edit: This also works for queer horror because WoD stuff was always super queer.

CelticPredator posted:


I don’t want to reach them I want to shame and insult them
Also this.

cake bunny fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Jul 4, 2021

cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

King Vidiot posted:

Anyway, on the topic of kids' horror books from the 90s, did anybody else read any of these? http://nightmareonelmstreetfilms.com/site/beyond-the-films/books/freddy-kruegers-tales-of-terror/

I was kind of on the older side of the demo when a lot of that stuff came out in the 90's, so I actually didn't read a whole lot of it until I was a lot older and was vetting books for kids I worked with. Some of those series really had legs and I was surprised that they were still pumping them out by then. I don't think I ever saw the NoES ones.

I spent most of the early -mid 90's reading wildly age-inappropriate stuff, like Poppy Z. Brite novels, which was the style at the time.

cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

Kvlt! posted:

now thats a name i havent heard in a long time i remember reading exquisite corpse as a teen, good book

It really is! I still love his stuff and a lot of the other authors' stuff that all got the Splatterpunk label back then. I wish people would have mined more of it for movies. I know that a lot of the Splatterpunk influence gets read into what ended up getting called torture porn (still hate that term) on the movie end, but I always felt that there was more to the genre than just the gore. Not that the gore was bad or unimportant, but a lot of the other visceral elements of Splatterpunk didn't make it into the movies coming out at the time. It's a shame.

cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

Kvlt! posted:

DID WE JUST BECOME BEST FRIENDS?!

Yes. Yes we did. Please tell Rob that I've been a fan since forever, and Sherri Moon that I think she's a very underrated actress, but also her stage dancing is really impressive.

cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

Monoclinic posted:

Hi all, I mostly lurk and haven't posted since....the last horror thread, but this is one of the better threads on the forum imo!

I've watched barely any horror films for years but am a fan in general. The last big ones I remember are the Babadook and It Follows, which are from 2014 apparently.

What would a few of your must-watch movies be, from then to now?

Others have pointed out a lot of good ones. Here are some others, in no order.

Wildling (2018)
Butterfly Kisses (2018)
The Taking of Deborah Logan (2014)
We Are Still Here (2015)
The Invitation (2015)
Be My Cat (2015)
Baskin (2016)
Unsane (2018)
The Autopsy of Jane Doe (2016)
Better Watch Out (2017)
The Devil's Candy (2017)
Cam (2018)
Possessor (2020)
Belzebuth (2019)
Climax (2019)
The Perfection (2019)
Summer of '84 (2018)
The Ritual (2018)
Becky (2020)
The Blackcoat's Daughter (2015)
A Dark Song (2017)
Pyewacket (2018)
Siren (2016)
Digging up the Marrow (2014)

cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

drat, I realized I left out some of my favorite recent Spanish language horror movies.

Veronica
The Influence
La Gravedad de Pugil
Still Life

If you're into more out there stuff, there's also We Are The Flesh, but that may not be everybody's speed.

cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

endocriminologist posted:

Everyone!! Hello!! I like UFOs and aliens are there any good scary movies about this that you like! Also I’m gay and not a weird bigot

Hi!

I'm sure you've seen the biggies like the Thing and all of the Alien movies, so my list doesn't have those. Not all of these are strictly horror, and more than a few are found footage.

Honeymoon (2014)
Attack the Block (2011)
The McPherson Tape / UFO Abduction (1989) / Incident in Lake County (remake - 1998)
Dark Skies (2013)
Grabbers (2012)
Under the Skin (2013)
They Live (1988)
Night of the Creeps (1986)
The Phoenix Tapes '97 (2016)
Lifeforce (1985)
Europa Report (2013)
District 9 (2009)
Area 51 (2015)
Phoenix Forgotten (2017)
Monsters (2010)

cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

Ambitious Spider posted:

Fire in the Sky and Communion.

Which honestly, haven't seen, but the trailers sure scared the hell out of me as a kid

I found Fire in the Sky extremely boring, and not very horror-y overall. It has one good horror scene, and it is really good, but the rest of the movie is just kind of a character study of this dude's life when nobody believes his story. It's way more of a sad, slow drama than horror.

I haven't seen Communion since it came out. I was 10, and it was fairly scary at the time. Dunno if it would hold up on the scares, but Walken's performance likely does!

cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

Kvlt! posted:

i got fire walk with me and fire in the sky mixed up so when i watched twin peaks for the first time and finally got to the movie i was wicked dissapointed there was no abduction scene that id heard so much about

This makes me want to see what Lynch would do with an alien abduction movie.

cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

weekly font posted:

It’s telling that the conservative culture war talking points and mindset is such a self parody that despite that post going way too over the top to be trolly bait and probably tipping its hand with a few of those lines, you still can’t be sure that’s not some racist grampy red and nude confusing the SA movie forums with facebook.

I currently live somewhere where a disturbing amount of people, and not even just the olds, not only still believe exactly the sort of stuff he was saying, but routinely express it to any and everyone within earshot in just as over the top wording as that dude was using. I've been out here way too long, and I feel zero shame in admitting that I'm so fed up with that exact brand of "I'm not a bigot, I just" bullshit that my reaction to encountering it anywhere is to tell the fucker off. Three kids I knew who were part of the LGBTQIA+ community out here died by suicide this last school year. The oldest was just shy of turning 15. Two more young adults I knew did as well. Many more continue to struggle daily. I don't give a gently caress if that guy was a troll or not, that kind of bullshit directly contributes to too many people dying or spending large parts of their lives wanting to die and he can gently caress right off with it.

I move in just over a month. I wish I could bring all of the kids with me.

cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

CelticPredator posted:

That’s why fire works for me. It’s a pretty dull almost TV movie level film that slowly moves through these characters and then BOOM.

Like that abduction scene is wild. There hasn’t been anything like that done in any film I’ve ever seen. It’s scary, intense, disgusting, and inventive.

Contrast that with the rest of the film I think that’s pretty amazing.

The scene is really great, and I do love how the ship and the aliens are depicted in it. I just don't think the rest of the movie really works for me. I get what they were doing, and I usually like juxtaposition like that, but the rest of the movie is just so goddamn dull. If they had a good drama and plopped the abduction footage into it, I'd be all over it, but the way it is, I'd rather just watch the scene as a clip and dream of the film that could have been made with it instead of the one we got. Maybe you'll be the one who does it!

Also, I just watched Broil on Prime. It was not at all what I was expecting. I'm not sure it's a great film exactly, but it was interesting, went all-in on what it was doing, and certainly went places. I watch so much horror, and a lot of it turns out pretty forgettable in the longer term, but this one was at least doing something I don't see constantly, and I kinda dug it. Anyone else see this one yet?

cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

The_Doctor posted:

Also, someone mentioned Poppy Z. Brite and I had the same ‘there’s a name I’ve not heard in a long time’ reaction. I remember really liking her stuff, but it’s all fallen out of my head aside from a bit in something about two characters being chased by a bunch of undead in the NYC Port Authority. Having since been to that place, I totally got it.

How To Get Ahead in New York! It's a short story in Swamp Foetus / Wormwood. Just a note, though, Poppy uses he / him pronouns these days, and outside of his writing goes by Billy Martin. You know, for all you people who don't keep up with semi-obscure horror writers who were kind of big in the 90's. He moved into writing comedy for a bit and then retired, but Google tells me that he's working on a nonfiction book about religion in Stephen King's works these last few years, so maybe we'll get some new horror fiction from him someday.

cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

FreudianSlippers posted:

I work with kids.

One time a couple of years ago one kid (5-6 years old) was absolutely obsessed with Into the Spiderverse and one time he said to me "You know [Freudianslippers] Miles Morales is Spiderman and he's Brown like me?" And he was beaming with pride and joy because that was the only time he saw someone that looked like him in media that he could look up to.

Representation matters and it needs to be done right.

Extremely this.

cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

M_Sinistrari posted:

Back then, I was around 16 and depending on the theater, if whoever was working box office didn't care or you were friends with an usher to sneak you in, film ratings were more of a suggestion than rule. And then there was always hit up a random adult to pretend to be a relative and get you in that way.

My friends and I would often just buy tickets to something else and then walk into whatever movie we felt like. Nobody taking tickets ever gave a single gently caress where you went after they ripped your stub, and nobody ever came to check stubs during the movie unless you were being so obnoxious that other people got pissed and went to get someone to shut you up. Also, skipping school and going during the day meant we'd never even be carded no matter what tickets we asked for. Maybe theater workers in bougie areas cared or something, but looking back, I sincerely doubt my friends and I even needed to jump through the minimal hoops we did to get into whatever.

Re: Fear Street's 90's authenticity, it was evocative enough for me as someone who was 11-21 during the decade. Definitely not The VVitch levels of recreating the time period, but nothing in the sets or costume design pulled me out of buying that it was the 90's. Slightly less 90's kids sounding dialogue, but I'm not upset by the lack of edgelord-tinged chat, monkeycheese humor, or more pop culture references than the B. Dalton Booksellers and Spencer's Gifts opening and the music choices gave us. I honestly kind of appreciated it didn't beat you over the head with the time period any more than it did.

cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

Pope Corky the IX posted:

Yeah, I know I'm getting a bit ridiculous, I just have an issue with what people would like the past to be like instead of what it was actually like. For instance, making everything neon and bright colors and poo poo when most of the 80s was brown as hell.

Nah, I get you, and that was kind of my point about Fear Street. I felt like it wasn't being the 90's equivalent of making the 80's all neon. The sets and costumes felt the exact right level of bland enough to not stick out and scream DON'T YOU REMEMBER THIS TREND WAS BIG IN THE 90'S in every single shot and outfit. That made it seem more authentic to me, even if it wasn't all quite perfect, than the movies that try to lean too hard into the nostalgia overload and end up looking more like parodies of the decade than what was actually normal back then.

cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

Eh, it depends on the movie for me. Sometimes the over-the-top heightened and remolded reality thing is both fitting and fun. Sometimes it detracts from everything else.

cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

Memnaelar posted:

I mostly just wish Fear Street didn't jump between a million 90s songs in a 60 second span to show me just how 90s it is. It's otherwise pretty decent for a teen horror movie but the musical cues are pretty jarring, as is contemplating what the royalty costs must've been.

I kind of interpreted the quick musical cuts to be shorthand for the thoughts/feelings of the characters in the moment. Maybe it was just the school hallway scene where this was happening, but the cuts seemed to mimic changes in point of view between characters, or shifts in emotion of the character we were following. It was a little heavy handed in some parts, but it seemed to be a purposeful stylistic choice to represent the teenagers inner monologues as snippets of music versus voiceovers or whatever.

cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

Fear Street Part 2 is much more evenly bloody than Part 1. It's also better than Part 1 to me, and I liked Part 1.

cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

Kvlt! posted:

i hope not. the less i have to hear nirvana the better

The song used made a lot of sense with the movie. Possibly unnecessary spoilers for music relation to plot - It's their cover of The Man Who Sold The World. Bowie's original is in the movie as well, and they made a neat little timeline bridge between the 90's and 70's. The same thing happens with Part 1 using the Cowboy Junkies version of Sweet Jane and Part 2 using the Lou Reed original. The Bowie song is also a nod to the character Ziggy's namesake, even if it's not from the Ziggy Stardust album.

re: nudity - I kind of thought that the nudity and outright loving scenes were a part of the whole 70's slasher aspect of Part 2. I guess I kind of expected at least a little of it, considering.

cake bunny fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Jul 10, 2021

cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

FreudianSlippers posted:

What's a good horror novel to read while camping?

I'll probably be spending about 10 days this month on the road sleeping in a tent and I want to bring my recently acquired Kindle with me and read something spooky that's preferably camping or at least wilderness related.

The Ritual by Adam Nevill
The Wendigo by Algernon Blackwood

cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

veni veni veni posted:

I thought the whole thing was sort of mediocre with 1666 being the low point tbh. The repurposing of the 1994 cast into 1666 could not have failed harder for me. Reusing the same cast for different roles is fine, but it's a pretty stylized choice and they didn't do it for the second one, so it was just really jarring to see the cast of the first movie suddenly playing analogues of themselves in 1666 (sort of? They only sort of resembled the original characters). It made it really hard to take any of the 1666 sections seriously at all. This was really amplified by how much I can't stand the lead. Her acting was consistently really bad through the whole thing, and watching her just give up or hard fail on the accent half way through every sentence made it so much more distracting. I really just couldn't stand that character's endless ball of teenage angst thing and her actress was so bad. Then of course you find out it's just her self inserting herself and her friends into the story. Like, why? What purpose did that serve at all? Then the movie shifts gears into some wacky teen comedy with super soakers.

I'm not trying to be downer for people that enjoyed it but blech. The whole thing felt like a series for 12 year olds (yes I know its based on some book for 12 year olds) that is also inexplicably a super hard R rated thing.

I'm not saying I hated the "movies" (cough* 2x long episodes of a miniseries) overall. Mostly a fun enough watch but I didn't think it was very good either.

I liked 1666 and I think it worked really well to finish up the trilogy, but I think I still like 1978 the most of the three. However, I actually like that they didn't reuse the 1994 cast in 1978. The point of the reuse of actors from both 1994 and 1978 in 1666 was to underscore how the entire story of the trilogy is tied together, and why the combination of the people who lived through 1978 and the kids from 1994 were the key to understanding and finally finishing what had started in 1666. If they'd reused the 1994 actors as new characters in 1978 it would have lost that aspect entirely.

The extremely teen book flavor of it all is also kind of the point. It's not even so much that the movies are based off of R.L. Stine's books as that they are a clear love letter to that genre of writing and heavily feature a lot of intentional plot beats and characterization that are emblematic of that genre. I enjoyed the gored up, more modern take on that. It really made sense to me, since the audience for the films is clearly not actual current 12 year olds so much as people who were ~12 back when those books were really hitting hard for that age range. It's less nostalgia than celebration, a way of taking a genre that was possibly important to the writer at a significant developmental time and embracing its essence while creating a new thing. The writer is grown up, the intended audience is grown up, so you have a more purposeful thematic throughline and more graphic representations of the violence.

I think these are fun movies, and I'm not even someone who was really into Stine or his competitors since my folks exposed me to adult horror novels super early. I can see how these movies might not hit for some folks, though, and hey, that's fine, too. If you were expecting something, or wanting something, that doesn't rely heavily on the 90's teen horror novel writing style, you're not likely to be that impressed with them. I'm sure you have something else you think is a fun injection of life in horror that doesn't hit the mark for me, too. That's one of the best things about horror to me, even though there are big subgenres that reach prominence at different times, it has some of the most consistent diversity of any genre.

cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

Kvlt! posted:

i never said PG horror is bad I said PG13 horror is bad.

PG horror movies are fun and generally charming.

Pg13 horror movies live in this weird universe where people die bloodless deaths, cover their chests after they have sex, and never drop the F bomb and it drives me nuts. Everything is so prominently sanitized.

I think the reason why PG13 horror often feels so disappointing is that they are usually written/shot in this really transparently crappy fashion where everything seems like a cynical marketing decision more than part of a coherent story vision. The ones shot this way are obvious cash grabs to get teen butts in seats, and not a lot of thought seems to be given to anything beyond that. It's just 'welp, we got them here by marketing as being Not Kiddie Stuff(tm), job done!'. They feel created by marketing teams and focus groups.

That's not saying that there are no movies, even horror movies, that end up rated PG13 that aren't soulless corporate husks, it's just that there are a LOT of soulless corporate husk movies that very purposefully go for PG13 because Ralph in R&D says they're a sure thing to make higher box office.

cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

So the SSD dialogue at the end of Fear Street 1666 stuck out to me and my husband when we watched it, too. I sure as hell didn't see or hear about flash drives by then, and I was in fairly early adopter computer toucher circles. It stuck out enough that I hit the Google to try to see if it was maybe a hint at something else for future sequels. Turns out that flash SSDs were first made by SanDisk in 1991. By 1995, versions from M-Systems were being used for aerospace and military applications and ones from STEC were being sold to consumers.

I think that chick is just supposed to be such a turbo nerd that she's flexing her knowledge of obscure rear end cutting edge tech that consumers don't quite have access to, but could have easily been being talked about in the right turbo nerd tech circles by 1994. Pretty sure it's just meant to confuse all of the normies and have Josh be smitten with her nerdy esoterica.

cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

Drunkboxer posted:

Yeah I was a little iffy on their relationship after our protagonist threw a gatoraid cooler at her ex’s car, causing an accident that resulted in her being hospitalized (and cursed), because she was dating someone else. Also I think she’s the one who dumped her right?

They're teenagers living in a town that is soaked in supernatural evil and a fair chunk of homophobia. Neither of those things seem like a good basis for a stable and healthy relationship. Kind of seems like part of the point of the story is them trying to overcome all of that and have a chance at just being a normal couple. It's all heightened because it's experienced through the teen horror genre, but it's a metaphor for how dysfunctional people can get at that age, especially with all of the extra societal baggage of being a queer couple in the 90's. The evil they're fighting is ingrained societal privileges and the systemic, ritualized loving over of "the others" to prop up those privileges.

cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

Retro Futurist posted:

Finished Fear Street tonight and I’m confused about something. So killing Sheriff Goode ended the curse, but the implication there is that his brother, who was both older and was the mayor so more powerful, was totally uninvolved? I’m not sure I get that bit

The way I saw it was that the older brother, Will, was a fuckboy by the time he was old enough to be let in on the deal, while Nick was "the responsible child", so their father was grooming Nick to be the one that takes over. Will only becomes mayor because of what Nick is doing with his devil stuff, and also likely helped by Nick having him be the one that drives the rest of the people at Camp Nightwing to safety in 1978. Nick becomes sheriff both because their dad was sheriff and he was groomed to be it from a young age, and because of devil stuff their father and him both did. Mayor Will is more of a figurehead.

Re: the note, I do think Nick gave it to C. Burman. The house he drops it at is the same house front we see for her and it really doesn't look like any of the huge Sunnyvale houses that we see later. You're right, though, it's left pretty vague, and I think it was put there more to make people have any reason at all to think the sheriff wasn't evil, as if he were trying to reach out to Ziggy to warn her or get her help. Most likely, he was either trying to use the note to scare her into hiding even harder, either because he actually does still like her and wants her on even higher alert so she doesn't get hurt, or because scaring her pre-emotively may help make sure she stays the hell out of things, since she knows more about the curse than anyone but him and could work with the kids to end it. Or both.

cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

Doc Fission posted:

Just got Shudder and I wanna shotgun a ton of stuff before my trial period ends. Any recs?

Let Us Prey
Color Out of Space
3 From Hell
Mayhem
Train to Busan
Ginger Snaps
Phenomena
Time Lapse
Chopping Mall
One Cut of the Dead
Behind the Mask: The Rise of Leslie Vernon
Luz: The Flower of Evil
Luz
Scream, Queen!
The McPherson Tape

cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

Shrecknet posted:

Someone replied this was on their Horror Kill Mount Rushmore. You gotta put NoES 4 roach motel, Psycho shower and then what's your #4?

For me it might be Resident Evil laser room

Man, that's difficult. Nurse in the hallway from Exorcist 3 is pretty tempting, but so is the sleeping bag kill from F13th Part 7, Olga's death in the Suspiria remake, and the vomiting out her guts scene in City of the Living Dead.

cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

Stink Billyums posted:

I wouldn't really call Z Nation good but it's better than you'd expect from a Syfy zombie show

Extremely this. I have a pretty high tolerance for trash that embraces what it is and just runs with it, but I put off Z Nation for ages because it's from The Asylum, and I loving hate their purposefully awful, by-committee bullshit so, so much. It's all so hollow. I have a high need for background noise when I'm working on projects, though, and I end up churning through stuff I don't care enough about to really watch, but isn't so obnoxious to me that it becomes distracting. During one of my spurts where I'd killed everything on the streaming services I had access to that fit my normal background noise qualifiers, I finally broke and gave Z Nation a shot. I didn't hate it, and it was even kind-of-entertaining-enough at times that I had to not use it for work background because I'd stop and actually watch parts of it. Definitely didn't give me the entirely soulless vibe that usually puts me off stuff from The Asylum.

I watched Black Summer season 1 and it was better than Z Nation to me. I like the more serious tone better than the levels of over the top that Z Nation goes to. I won't say it did anything groundbreaking, but it was solid enough for a zombie tv show with a shorter episode run. I haven't really felt compelled to watch season 2 yet, but I'm busy as all gently caress these days, so I'm trying to use what little movie/tv time I have more wisely. I'm sure I'll get around to it eventually, though.

cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

Kvlt! posted:

do you have to watch them in order?

Well, both shows are episodic, so you'd be mega confused if you just pick an ep here and there, but it doesn't matter which series you decide to watch first or anything. They honestly barely have anything to do with each other. "Black Summer" is the name for the first summer where the zombie outbreak hit in Z Nation. It's referenced as a historical event in that series, but none of the actual events in the Black Summer series have any bearing on what goes on in the Z Nation series. I guess they might eventually try to actually tie Black Summer into any of the plot points or characters from Z Nation, but I seriously doubt it. They're just way too different in tone and style.

Edit: To clarify - Z Nation is concluded. Black Summer is still getting made. At least through Black Summer season 1, nothing happens that gets referenced in Z Nation outside of "Zombies happened. Everyone was unprepared. A fuckton of people died that summer and those of us who survived had to learn to live very differently."

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cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

feedmyleg posted:

Catholocism is the most boring horror subject.

Nah. Any religion that has that much ceremony, ritual, and levels of bureaucracy on top of the lore stuff like demons is always going to be rife for horror movie fodder. It's just really, really easy to see the lazy ones for what they are because you come from a culture that is steeped in a lot of the trappings already. The unknown is always going to have a built-in edge on spookiness for most folks.

cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

Uncle Boogeyman posted:

pretty much the only person that could get me interested in a new Exorcist movie at this point, yeah. you know at the very least he'd come up with some great strings of obscenities for the possessed characters.

I honestly kind of agree. That or give the new movies to the people who were making the TV show. I want to see the demonic infiltration of the Vatican, you fuckers. I'm still bitter it was cancelled.

cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

Basebf555 posted:

You should check out 30 Coins if you haven't yet.

That looks really good. I don't have HBO, but I might be able to watch it at my in laws' when I'm there in a couple of weeks. Thanks for the rec!

cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011


Hell yes; it's actually getting released!

cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

If you hated Murder House, you're probably not going to enjoy any of the rest of the seasons of AHS. It's one of the most cohesive and least campy ones.

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cake bunny
Oct 29, 2011

I actually like several seasons of AHS a lot and didn't really hate any of them. They're mostly uneven trash fires as far as season cohesion goes, though, and Murder House is by far the most restrained with the camp factor. So, yeah, I think if you don't dig Murder House at all, you're probably not really going to like any of the seasons. Unless the reason you didn't like Murder House was that it didn't crank the camp to 11 and break the knob off, or you really like shows where some out of nowhere poo poo happens that doesn't necessarily connect to the what you thought the plot was, or where crazy stuff gets brought up for a few episodes and then just gets dropped without getting mentioned again.

They're strange soap operas painted in a horror palate. It absolutely works for me, even when it doesn't come close to sticking the landing, but I can absolutely see why someone would bounce right off of the whole deal.

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