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Max posted:Quoting this because I forgot about it and hope b- is here to explain the reasoning behind it better. Max posted:If we no-lunch day 1 it would be really on brand for a fraternity of cops to not prosecute one of their own. But that is intolerable. ##vote Kash Max posted:Also MMT is playing into her scum meta. She's mostly commented on safe topics and hasn't made any hard calls about people's alignments based on how they are posting. Max posted:But that's all conjecture and WIFOM. I'm voting Kash right now because he hasn't really done much and I want to pressure him into participating, while waiting on MMT to come back, because as you said, I was on her as well. She checked in to say she'd post more later, so I'm holding off on that until I see posts from her.
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King Burgundy posted:I'd like it if people humored me and commented on Prince of Space, even if it is to say you have no read there. I sort of recall what you said about the Shine game, but prior to that I was thinking they were not saying much, but seemed to offer genuine opinions and ask the right questions when they did show up.
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Jan 21, 2019 22:45
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i hate page sniping
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:I am down for a cashew uno lunch. Sure, lurker rules might take care of him, but zero posts? Tobbs Gnawed posted:B- and BK like to coast as scum with minimal engagement. This feels really disengaged compared to what I'd expect from Tobbs. Tobbs: why b- over BK or Kash? Any opinions on Max or any of the people voting for Max? If anything I think b- is town simply because he usually seems really scummy to me when he's scum and he hasn't this game.
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Jan 21, 2019 22:46
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Max posted:I forgot to circle back on this. What about his last few posts bothers you? He's provided content and some reads on people, which is a lot more than you can say about others. You think so? Can you tell me who his top scum are from those posts? I don't see anything alignment related unless I stretch. And his content there is really asking other people for THEIR opinions.
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Murmur Twin posted:If anything I think b- is town simply because he usually seems really scummy to me when he's scum and he hasn't this game. b-minus1 posted:before you say anything, no i'm not purposely trying to take anything out of context, but i did delete other text in your post that wasn't related to kash and mmt. "mmt playing into scum meta/die scum/ waiting on mmt to come back" to me, this looks like you are trying to disguise an mmt scumbus with a kash joke read/vote so that you don't actually have to commit to voting mmt. oh noooo
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:B- and BK like to coast as scum with minimal engagement. ooh i missed this vote. 
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Jan 21, 2019 22:48
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Town reads on Max, KB, and KR. Lurking, disengaged scum read on B-, BK. Kash is aggressive as scum and town, null read. Null read on everyone else atm.
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Jan 21, 2019 22:48
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King Burgundy posted:You think so? Yes reading it back it's mostly lurker callouts. I forgot those were the specific names he dropped.
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Murmur Twin posted:This feels really disengaged compared to what I'd expect from Tobbs. Literally was just scum with b-, his play was similar if not identical to this one. Same for beek, would be happy with either. Kashuno, nobody seemed to care that he wasn't posting at all. Worth removing in a game where nobody's posting seems particularly bad. Now that he's here and pushing me, he's a null read.
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Jan 21, 2019 22:50
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Also ~3 hours to go and uh Again, that's quite the spread.
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Jan 21, 2019 22:50
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Solus tunneling Max again looks scummy. I don’t really see how you can look at Max’s content in the last few pages and think yeah, he’s the right vote today. KB, does Rex’s content look townie to you leaving aside the slip?
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Jan 21, 2019 22:51
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##vote b- maybe that will help
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Jan 21, 2019 22:52
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b-minus1 posted:before you say anything, no i'm not purposely trying to take anything out of context, but i did delete other text in your post that wasn't related to kash and mmt. "mmt playing into scum meta/die scum/ waiting on mmt to come back" to me, this looks like you are trying to disguise an mmt scumbus with a kash joke read/vote so that you don't actually have to commit to voting mmt. I mean, do you still feel that way?
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28766f69642a2930 posted:Solus tunneling Max again looks scummy. I don’t really see how you can look at Max’s content in the last few pages and think yeah, he’s the right vote today. Solus' back and forth smacks of genuine uncertainty to me.
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Jan 21, 2019 22:53
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Literally was just scum with b-, his play was similar if not identical to this one. I'm fine with those votes. I'll hop on anyone who hasn't really been doing much. I want to start here though. ##vote Prince
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Jan 21, 2019 22:53
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Solus' back and forth smacks of genuine uncertainty to me. uncertainty of where to place a vote without drawing too much suspicion imo ##vote Solus
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Jan 21, 2019 22:55
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King Burgundy posted:I'm fine with those votes. I'll hop on anyone who hasn't really been doing much. Hmmm I read back over PoS and I suppose I see where you are coming from. He sort of said he was suspicious of Khedive (for trying too hard) but most of the rest of his opinions are more about actions and not alignments
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Jan 21, 2019 22:55
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28766f69642a2930 posted:Solus tunneling Max again looks scummy. I don’t really see how you can look at Max’s content in the last few pages and think yeah, he’s the right vote today. Yeah, answered this just above. But outside the slip I'd probably be leaning town, even with the slightly strange vote on Toal.
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Jan 21, 2019 22:56
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hambeet posted:a lurker? What are your other thoughts?
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Jan 21, 2019 23:01
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Having no hard opinions and hedging the ones you do have is a solid scum strategy. I could get behind a PoS lunch.
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Jan 21, 2019 23:04
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Hey I'm stuck at an airport waiting on a delayed flight irl so I'm on my phone, teleconferencing in to CopCon. I don't have a read on Kashuno right now and I think it's odd how the conversation got steered my way (and unfortunate timing, really!), but reply I must - after I reply to this: King Burgundy posted:Also, fwiw on PoS. Am I misremembering? Wasn't PoS like really an awesome player who was right about a lot of things in Shine Soldiers? I remember being really impressed and I could swear they even had opinions on potential scum even on D1. Not seeing that here. From what I recall, I was pretty terrible at the mafia side of Shine but really good at the soldiers aspect. I was really close to figuring out a lot of the night combat stuff at certain points, but I was thrown off by there being two "queens" per side. I'm definitely not a day 1 detective. Who was it that ruined it for team Texas day 1? Infinitum? Good times. 
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Jan 21, 2019 23:09
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Prince of Space posted:Hey I'm stuck at an airport waiting on a delayed flight irl so I'm on my phone, teleconferencing in to CopCon. I mean, that wasn't my recollection, but I could be wrong I suppose. I don't have time to look back right now. Maybe I'll do so later. Who are your top picks for scum today?
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Jan 21, 2019 23:10
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I’m fine on prince for now Does no one else see a problem with tobbs posting setupspec he supposedly knew was false
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Jan 21, 2019 23:13
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Prince of Space posted:I think it's odd how the conversation got steered my way Odd how so?
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Jan 21, 2019 23:13
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Kashuno posted:I’m fine on prince for now Wait what? I feel like I might not be understanding what you're saying. Tobbs Gnawed posted:If we do have a bunch of cops of varying sanity, I'd put money on Pod doing something like making all the scum godfathers, thus forcing us to play mafia. Like to be fair, I had the same thought about "what if the scum team is all Godfathers?"
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Jan 21, 2019 23:15
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King Burgundy posted:I'm fine with those votes. I'll hop on anyone who hasn't really been doing much. Prince of Space posted:Hey I'm stuck at an airport waiting on a delayed flight irl so I'm on my phone, teleconferencing in to CopCon. that didn't take long. i don't really see how a few mentions of your name + one vote is the same as the conversation steering your way
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Jan 21, 2019 23:16
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Me personally, I think theres enough to work with on this Day 1. People keep saying that there wasn't anything happening. I saw a lot of cases get presented, a lot of oddity. Bminus doesn't seem like his town self. But also, at three hours to deadline, I don't see anyone coming in to defend him. If Bminus is scum, wheres the scum counter-push? Are we committed to lynching a lurker today? Solus said earlier that he doesn't put any faith in the lurker gun. Maybe I haven't played enough games but, I don't see where he's coming from with that. Lurker gun has always worked for me (and at least once on me). Someone care to explain why it's better to lynch? I look at it from the perspective that flipping a lurker won't give us any insight into what went down today, regardless of what team they're on.
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To be honest, my top scum read would have to be you, King Burgundy, simply because you seem to be pushing hard down these avenues of reasoning that only make sense if you're coming at this case with a highly trained cop-hunting perspective. Painting me as some kind of genius puppet master is precisely the tactic that was used by scum (lead by you, King Burgundy) to get me voted off. I'm not an experienced interrogator [/player of, Mafia], but I can gain momentum as town even without a special role and that's dangerous to scum.
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Jan 21, 2019 23:22
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Oh I could swear deadline was tomorrow night, I'm catching up on the thread now.
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Jan 21, 2019 23:24
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Murmur Twin posted:Wait what? I feel like I might not be understanding what you're saying. He knows we aren’t all cops of varying sanities because he ain’t one It feels like he was trying to get people to put themselves out there with claims
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KhediveRex posted:I don't believe the n0 cop claim. But I don't think the false claim was motivated by scummy intentions. It did start us out with something to actually discuss. I believe that it happened, but I voted MMT because I didn't like her initial game posts. It's a weak case, as I believe pretty much all D1 cases are, and Keane's result doesn't really play into what I think of MMT.
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Actually, on a re-read, ##vote SolusSolusLunes posted:This is... inaccurate. I would argue that commenting on Keane's n0 paranoid cop claim isn't particularly safe. Solus votes Max for casing me, and then walks it back when he realized Max didn't vote for me. SolusLunes posted:As someone who always suspects Max I want to do a thing that flies in the face of 'don't defend someone else' again: He then pokes holes in a case on Max without mentioning an opinion of his alignment, prompting me to ask Solus what he thinks of Max. SolusLunes posted:My opinion is that he's still scummy, but not for that specific reason. He clarifies that Max is scummy, but not for that reason, then votes him, then unvotes him. Solus: if you thought Max was scummy, why were you talking about the things that you didn't think were scummy? And then if you don't think Max is scummy now, who do you think is?
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Kashuno posted:He knows we aren’t all cops of varying sanities because he ain’t one If we do have a bunch of cops of varying sanity, I'd put money on Pod doing something like making all the scum godfathers, thus forcing us to play mafia. I don't want anyone to claim actually. In this game I wouldn't trust a cop result. Maybe... All cops are bad.
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Murmur Twin posted:Odd how so? I wish I could respond faster, sorry. More a timing thing, really. I thought it was odd at the time but then King Burgundy and others explained it more clearly: I haven't done any solid reads. Yeah, the best I have is a list of low-content posters and no real stances on the major yet seemingly trifling topics that have been brought up thus far, sorry. I've asked other posters their opinions, because that's conducive to the ongoing conversation and I need to know whose opinions I cab trust. Unlike some others, I'm not lurking and I'm not pot-stirring just to see what happens.
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I may have misconstrued But I am gonna go make a pot roast so oh well see y’all later
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CCKeane posted:This reaction and thinking seems pretty suspect to me! I agree with this. b-minus1 posted:If mmt is lunches and flips scum we wil turbo you tomorrow 
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Kashuno posted:He knows we aren’t all cops of varying sanities because he ain’t one Haha for half a minute I thought you cracked the case but yeah, he said "a bunch of". I'm null on Tobbs. Prince of Space posted:Hey I'm stuck at an airport waiting on a delayed flight irl so I'm on my phone, teleconferencing in to CopCon. Similarly I'm null on PoS - I also felt like he was a more active poster in Shine V but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for a game day if he's claiming irl circumstances since he hasn't done anything overtly scummy in my eyes. Can I get opinions on Solus?
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Prince of Space posted:To be honest, my top scum read would have to be you, King Burgundy, simply because you seem to be pushing hard down these avenues of reasoning that only make sense if you're coming at this case with a highly trained cop-hunting perspective. Huh. This is an odd response and doesn't match the reality of like, anything. I'm not sure I'm fully parsing it right though. I won't have the time today, but I'm definitely going to have to go back to that other game and look through your posts. Maybe then I can break this down better.
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