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28766f69642a2930 posted:I was going to post a full scumpenlist but lol if I’m doing that with a baby in one hand. Here’s where I got up to Asii, Hal, Toalpaz are wishy washy and can go either way. The Max could be an SK type line is very unusual and IDGI. BK and Rex comparison and "I'm more suss on Rex" comes without an explanation of why. Feels like a lot of openings to go for people, basically. I DON'T LIKE IT
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Jan 24, 2019 04:50
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CCKeane posted:Asii, Hal, Toalpaz are wishy washy and can go either way. The Max could be an SK type line is very unusual and IDGI. BK and Rex comparison and "I'm more suss on Rex" comes without an explanation of why. Like I said it’s unfinished and I wanted to put reads down to help get something going. Solus and BPlus are my top scumpicks, considering Rex or BK for scummy behaviour and most other people are neutral. Hal is a definite town read of mine based on his d1 posting. I wouldn’t think of voting Max today but I’ve claimed vig as an SK/scum and been believed.
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Jan 24, 2019 05:11
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Ok, so I reread PoS from Shine Soldiers. There is a very clear difference in how he approaches everything there versus here on D1. Some of that is roleplay, he played up the texan shtick in that game and maybe he is playing some kind of robotic cop here? or something? God knows. What I do know is he pursued scum even on D1 in that game, was very involved in sussing them out and seemed to be invested. Here? Not so much. Here is a link to his posts in that game if you want to look for yourself: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3844977&userid=217947 --- I was going to vote here, but honestly at least Prince is playing today. If the others don't show up and participate, I'm down to vote the scummiest one of them out instead. Speaking of, super scummy and not playing? Oh yeah: ##vote bminus
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Jan 24, 2019 05:13
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28766f69642a2930 posted:Like I said it’s unfinished and I wanted to put reads down to help get something going. Solus and BPlus are my top scumpicks, considering Rex or BK for scummy behaviour and most other people are neutral. Can you be specific as to what you liked about Hal's posting, or was that a topic for past birb.
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Jan 24, 2019 05:16
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28766f69642a2930 posted:Hal is a definite town read of mine based on his d1 posting. ???? did i miss where you said why?
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Jan 24, 2019 05:17
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CCKeane posted:Can you be specific as to what you liked about Hal's posting, or was that a topic for past birb. sadly I cannot as I have suffered traumatic memory loss from huffing my own farts
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Jan 24, 2019 05:27
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28766f69642a2930 posted:sadly I cannot as I have suffered traumatic memory loss from huffing my own farts I am empathetic to this problem, godspeed sir
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Jan 24, 2019 05:36
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CCKeane posted:Can you be specific as to what you liked about Hal's posting, or was that a topic for past birb. i am interested in this as well. also don't like sk hunting this early. maybe someone's a vig and doesn't want to claim yet
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Jan 24, 2019 05:50
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Oh oh they gonna rumble birb
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Jan 24, 2019 05:56
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also im not getting scum pings from pos
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Jan 24, 2019 05:59
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Yesterday Hal was participating and making reads which tbh I haven’t seen him do much but I thought he sounded town28766f69642a2930 posted:Hal reads townish to me
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Jan 24, 2019 06:17
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I keep reading pos as piece of poo poo and I think that's rude so I'm gonna keep saying prince if prince is okay with that.
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Jan 24, 2019 06:22
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Dangit there are just so many of us attending CopCon, so I apologize in advance for all the words: Prince of Space's Day 2 Lumpenlist
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Jan 24, 2019 06:24
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Anyway, I hope that at least clears up any doubts cast toward my commitment to making CopCon a safer and more secure place for cops of all stripes (especially blue) to meet up and share cop-related news, products, and tips.
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Jan 24, 2019 06:30
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hambeet posted:Oh oh they gonna rumble birb uh oh
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Jan 24, 2019 07:07
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28766f69642a2930 posted:uh oh was more a slight vibration in the end
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Jan 24, 2019 07:27
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Looking back over last night, the person I actually find the most suspicious is Asiina. For a little background, Asiina spends what part of the day she participates in supporting a lynch on Bminus. She moves to Solus in the last seven or so minutes before deadline, following my post telling the thread to not count on me moving, following Kash's post that they would not participate in a bminus move, and following BK's move off of Bminus onto Hal. At that time it was 5 - bminus, 4 - Hal and 2 - Solus with 7 minutes on the clock. My read is that Asiina saw that a no-lynch was in the works, more likely at that stage than a lynch on B. As an effort to ensure a lynch that night, switching to Solus was much less reasonable than switching to Hal. Momentum and pragmatism would have more readily justified a move to Hal. I feel that she moved to Solus with the rationale that a no lynch was happening, that a vote for solus helped keep the vote split, that with the vote split Solus wasn't in real danger of being lynched, and that in later rounds she would be able to say that she had participated in a vote against Solus if it ever became helpful to gain town cred in that fashion. Let's examine her posts leading up to the lynch. Asiina posted:##vote Solus Votes Solus with an addendum essentially saying "Don't follow this vote. It's bad to switch votes this late in the game." Not especially eager for the Solus vote to actually work. Asiina posted:I don't even know, Kash. Kash asks why Solus was a candidate. Asiina again comes in to say that voting Solus is a poorly thought out plan. This does not read like a person who is honestly trying to consolidate a vote in the chaos before deadline. And considering Solus was an unlikely lynch that day, a lynch that Asiina appears to have no faith in, why is she not voting Hal who was much closer to the necessary 9 votes. Reads again like "I'm voting Solus, but please, don't do this." Which is not a way to consolidate a vote five minutes before deadline. Asiina posted:Now Solus is at -2 Considering the tone of her prior two posts, I have trouble reading this post with any kind of implied excitement intended. It reads like a warning to me. "We're getting really close to a bad vote guys." But that "Bad Vote" was preferable to her over voting Hal, a reasonable alternative to B. She switched when Solus was at 2 and in no real danger of being voted off. Which strengthens my conviction that she moved to Solus anticipating, and hoping for, a no lynch. This odd play in the final minutes of the round coupled with her complete absence today and her relative absence yesterday makes Asiina my current top candidate for a lynch. ##vote Asiina
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Jan 24, 2019 07:28
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Max posted:Hello, I quoted the thing earlier to get a snapshot of the flavor because I knew Pod was going to change it. I assumed Hal had bus driven Kash and MMT because MMT initially flipped with my death flavor, even though I had targeted Kash. I'm a death cop, and can lethally investigate players in this game to confirm their alignment. I assume this is a joke about imgay and his "cop" investigation from that one game of his. But it's worth noting that this hasn't been considered nearly enough. Is the claim plausible? Sure. That's not really what stands out to me. Max intended to claim today. Max had every intention of claiming today. My first thought was "Why on earth does scum tell the whole thread that they know night actions were posted incorrectly?" A simple PM to the modwould have been the obvious, and really, only correct way to remedy the error in results without giving away information. But then it occured to me, a town with a vig would also certainly prefer to tell the mod privately and not let the whole thread (including scum) know they were involved. The only reason to quote the post and make it known to the thread at large that you were involved with one of the deaths would be to ensure that at some point that day you would have an audience eager to hear about your role. Max intended to claim today. And they needed a reason to do so. But why? The only thing I can think is that Max was worried about having been followed or seen visiting Kash. Max wanted to be in front of anyone who was gonna come on to the thread and say they had evidence that make was involved in Kash's death. That's a threat they wouldn't have needed to deal with on n0, but the threat became very real n1 and they wanted to respond to it before it could be a problem. Is that a scum tell? Is it a town tell? I don't know yet, but I find it immensely curious and I would like to hear more from Max about their thinking. At the moment, I can't escape the feeling that scum worries more about being seen/tracked than town does. Also that a town vig wouldn't risk exposing themselves to scum like Max has chosen to. So, it's all pretty strange.
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Jan 24, 2019 07:45
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I have read this, thanks.
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Jan 24, 2019 07:54
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It’s hard for me to see scum Asiina switching into scum Solus at that time when Hal and bplus were still viable, if not more likely dunk candidates.
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Jan 24, 2019 07:56
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There were enough people around at deadline to stop a no lunch. Also if there was actually a no lunch she would’ve known that the people who made that happen would be super scrutinized. I don’t buy the case on her at all.
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Jan 24, 2019 08:07
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28766f69642a2930 posted:It’s hard for me to see scum Asiina switching into scum Solus at that time when Hal and bplus were still viable, if not more likely dunk candidates. Can you see town Asiina switching to Solus, putting him at three votes, with seven minutes left on the clock? And then discouraging others from following the vote? I lean strongly that Asiina anticipated a no-lynch. At the time Asiina moved her vote, solus needed to get roughly one vote every minute to be the lynch that day. He was not a candidate. And Solus, despite being not a serious candidate for the lynch, had been cased that day to general approval by the thread. It makes sense to anticipate that would have continued d2. Consequently, the decision to vote solus is pragmatically helpful for scum asiina who can say the next day "I've been fine with a solus lynch the whole time. Look at my vote yesterday."
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Jan 24, 2019 08:13
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BottleKnight posted:There were enough people around at deadline to stop a no lunch. Also if there was actually a no lunch she would’ve known that the people who made that happen would be super scrutinized. I don’t buy the case on her at all. Solus needed a vote every minute at the time that Asiina switched. It is in no way reasonable to assume that was going to work out. Also, off the top of my head, Solus, Hambeet, Prince and Keane were not here. Meaning there were 12 people in the thread. We needed 9 to lynch. So in seven minutes Asiina needed three quarters of the thread to settle on a single candidate. That is in no way a reasonable expectation. Also also, who would you have scrutinized in the case of a no lynch? A 5-bminus, 4-hal, 3-solus no lynch? Would Asiina have been anywhere near the top of your list? Wouldn't obstinant people like Me and Kash have been the prime candidates? Wouldn't people with no participation have been the next group to case? Realistically, for you in particular, how far down the list would Asiina have been?
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Jan 24, 2019 08:22
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You’re scrutinizing her despite the fact that there was a lunch. Anyone who contributed to an actual no lunch would be super scrutinized. And I think you are being pretty obtuse. I was never particularly worried we were going to no lunch even with 3 minutes left. There was enough activity and enough people posting. I just don’t buy the case.
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Jan 24, 2019 08:50
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This post -BottleKnight posted:There were enough people around at deadline to stop a no lunch. Also if there was actually a no lunch she would’ve known that the people who made that happen would be super scrutinized. I don’t buy the case on her at all. And this post - BottleKnight posted:You’re scrutinizing her despite the fact that there was a lunch. Anyone who contributed to an actual no lunch would be super scrutinized. And I think you are being pretty obtuse. I was never particularly worried we were going to no lunch even with 3 minutes left. There was enough activity and enough people posting. I just don’t buy the case. Are the same post. The only two points of deviation are that in the second BK calls me obtuse and offers the observation that there was a lunch, as evidence that a lunch was inevitable. I disagree with the inevitability of lunch.
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Jan 24, 2019 09:23
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As to the obtuse comment, I could be especially obtuse and ask you which usage of the word you were intending. Resistant to come to an understanding? Difficult to be understood? Blunt or insensitive? I hope not dull. That would be as bad as antiquated. Its two in the morning and I like words a lot. I haven't been called obtuse in a long time man. I'm kinda into it.
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Jan 24, 2019 09:23
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Hey prince I say hmmmm as a way of remembering Max.
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Jan 24, 2019 09:32
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very interesting, I’ll have more to say about KR’s case in the morning
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Jan 24, 2019 13:02
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Hi I exist, I'm going to read today and come up with opinions. Right off the top of my head killing B- sounds good for the aforementioned not protecting probably town at the time MMT and also maybe because he didn't die as a pretty powerful role. ##vote B-
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Jan 24, 2019 13:50
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I agree with KDRex, it would be nice to know more bout death cop specifically because it seems to be more of a serial killer type flavour than that of a real 'investigator'. Like the attendees never show up, and death cop operates alone. No mention of a real police operation and we're all just cop con attendees not on the job. I think that the case on Asiina is a stretch too. But I do see it as tunnely town. Thought I was suspicious of Asiina's pick of B- last night, with more info and time I've come around on the case and opinion that he's probably scum this game. Though Asiina seems to be a little busy with this game I am too, and I'm going to ignore that in favour of flipping B- first. I'd also be down with killing Max. You can either believe he's a town oriented killer or a scum or 3rd party killer, though I personally think Max's participation has been good, that's something SK can easily do with scum to hunt. In addition hiding in the open is basically where you want to be, as it saves you later when people are asking for claims.
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Jan 24, 2019 14:10
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Max posted:Hello, I quoted the thing earlier to get a snapshot of the flavor because I knew Pod was going to change it. I assumed Hal had bus driven Kash and MMT because MMT initially flipped with my death flavor, even though I had targeted Kash. I'm a death cop, and can lethally investigate players in this game to confirm their alignment. I assume this is a joke about imgay and his "cop" investigation from that one game of his. Podima posted:
Like here Max admits to having the flavour of the opening kill... I find it hard to imagine that he's a good guy in all of this.
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Jan 24, 2019 14:15
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Mr. Humalong, Cop, was lethally investigated as Cop-Aligned on Night 0.
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the corrected pod flip
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Toalpaz posted:Like here Max admits to having the flavour of the opening kill... I find it hard to imagine that he's a good guy in all of this. Lethally investigated just sounds like some sort of brutal cop, although I have to say why a town brutal cop would kill town people he investigates I cannot explain
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Jan 24, 2019 14:55
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KhediveRex posted:
I actually agree with BK, it was HIGHLY unlikely there was going to be a no-lynch there. There were 3 candidates who I think pretty much anyone there would have voted for to ensure someone was killed and plenty of people posting. I don't think making a case on Asiina that her whole goal was to create a no-lynch situation is very good or useful. I mean wouldn't that also imply that she, b-, me and Solus were ALL scum together? That would be a VERY impressive D1 by town and pretty terrible one by scum to let it get to that.
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I don't actually feel very good about KBs posting this game (a lot of weird theory crafting, soft fingers of suspicion on people today) but I do see where he is coming from with PoS, and Keane's point about the stilted style was somewhat caild even if I joked about it. I need to look at some of those posts harder but I can definitely see the case here.
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And going back to my non-solus suspicions from yesterday, I feel better about BK today after some of his posting, but probably worse about b- after his night action and his recent posts that seem to be glomming onto some weak stuff like agreeing that questioning if Max could be a SK was somehow suspicious. B- seems to not really be paying attention to what is actually going on in the thread and just me-tooing recent stuff which is sorta classic scum stuff
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Jan 24, 2019 15:03
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I liked POS's lumpen list because they're easy ways to summarize people's reads, but apart from that POS has been very ~*~wordy~*~ with comments and clarifying commentary and imo not a lot of mafia (I know ironic of me, lurking this game, to say). Hey hal, it's pretty typical for town busdriver to claim targets seeing as how you've already claimed so that town can sort out their night actions and presumably results. (copfia) Who'd you bus?
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Jan 24, 2019 15:03
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Hal Incandenza posted:I don't actually feel very good about KBs posting this game (a lot of weird theory crafting, soft fingers of suspicion on people today) but I do see where he is coming from with PoS, and Keane's point about the stilted style was somewhat vaild even if I joked about it. I need to look at some of those posts harder but I can definitely see the case here.
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Hal Incandenza posted:Lethally investigated just sounds like some sort of brutal cop, although I have to say why a town brutal cop would kill town people he investigates I cannot explain Max has claimed death cop, not brutal cop. He is a vig or SK or scum.
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