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Prince of Space posted:Can a Rookie Cop please clarify or verify what their role does? From how I am hearing it, they get a Cop's Investigation that they can use every Night, only that fails if someone else visits the target? hey rookie cops! this person wants you to out yourself and tell them how your role works. that is completely not suspect at all!
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hambeet posted:hey rookie cops! this person wants you to out yourself and tell them how your role works. Two people admitted to being Rookie Cops just now. What's so weird about wanting to know how accurate they are and how often they get to be helpful?
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Jan 26, 2019 04:00
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because it's also super useful for scum to know what they're up against? So they can prioritise targets?
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Jan 26, 2019 04:01
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Prince of Space posted:Can a Rookie Cop please clarify or verify what their role does? From how I am hearing it, they get a Cop's Investigation that they can use every Night, only that fails if someone else visits the target? I feel like Keane explained it p well. I got no flavor at all other than a picture, a role name and what it does, which is as you say here. Investigate every night and it fails if someone else visits.
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Jan 26, 2019 04:04
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I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here, Hambeet, that CCKeane might actually be mistaken on your alignment due to his sanity profile. I am, however, willing to believe BottleKnight who believes that CCKeane visited you last night and got Scum.
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Jan 26, 2019 04:05
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remember when Keane said MMT was scum though? makes u think
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Jan 26, 2019 04:11
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Prince of Space posted:I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here, Hambeet, that CCKeane might actually be mistaken on your alignment due to his sanity profile. I am, however, willing to believe BottleKnight who believes that CCKeane visited you last night and got Scum. I appreciate that Prince, but I'd still be against unnecessarily sharing info that could compromise town. Especially as I believe you to be scum. I know my alignment, and I believe you do to. So this comes across to me as an act, this trying to look reasonable and helpful. So when my eventual flip is town you can be all like "drat, what a shame". Anyway. You're very polite about everything, regardless of your alignment, so that's good. I like playing with you.
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Jan 26, 2019 04:21
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Hmm, so i say 'so' a lot it seems.
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Jan 26, 2019 04:22
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28766f69642a2930 posted:remember when Keane said MMT was scum though? That was a classic Rookie mistake, I suppose! If I recall, a couple of other people were pretty suspicious of MurmurTwin's posting fairly early on, Day1, and that just brought her towniness out later on in the day. At the time CCKeane was, by admission, simply trying to shake up the tree to see what got stirred up back then. I'm... still not sure it was very effective. Now, however, he's gotten results on his investigation that other people are willing to believe that implicates a person I was already suspicious of, so I think it's something worth pursuing.
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Jan 26, 2019 04:23
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:hambeet voted like once this whole game. when there have only been two votes so far? and that one vote i made i voted scum? prince of space has voted *drum roll* zero times this whole game. your reasoning for voting me, "regardless of the cop claim", is completely flawed.
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Jan 26, 2019 06:48
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actually i've made one vote the whole game and that was on a scum. talk about efficiency. i'm the most accurate player so far!
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Jan 26, 2019 06:49
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hambeet posted:when there have only been two votes so far? and that one vote i made i voted scum? He has one vote on you I guess, but yeah pretty weird it took till today
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Jan 26, 2019 06:57
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yesterday ended early too which doesn't help time wise for prince. but still, i've at least voted out a scum. i've not tried to lead votes on anyone else yet. i'd be a pretty poor team player if scum so far.
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Jan 26, 2019 07:02
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ugh, dropped this off the end of last message: and prince hadn't voted me when tobbs posted that. he was still at zero votes at that time.
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Jan 26, 2019 07:03
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hambeet posted:yesterday ended early too which doesn't help time wise for prince. but still, i've at least voted out a scum. i've not tried to lead votes on anyone else yet. i'd be a pretty poor team player if scum so far. what if his one vote is on a scum though
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Jan 26, 2019 07:23
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28766f69642a2930 posted:what if his one vote is on a scum though well i know it's not, and i'm of the opinion you don't actually believe that either. but when all is said and done if i'm lynched and when i flip town, you'll see his vote really wasn't on a scum. then what?
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Jan 26, 2019 07:25
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Both times I said in the twilight hour that I would have voted B-minus1 but wasn't able to get there in time. I'm still super unclear on why certain folks think I'm scummy, to be honest, but I doubt finding out what I'm "doing wrong" will help me any, since then I will be "self-aware scum" in those same peoples' opinions. Whenever I can't seem to rely on my gut read on someone's posts I tend to ask questions to other, more experienced players that I mostly trust in hopes of learning more, and people who see this behavior seem to point their fingers at me and screech. It's bizarre. If my identity is still so suspect after today's vote, I'm more than certain there are plenty of Cops out there that can investigate me over Night 3, too. Heck, one of the Rookie Cops (such as CCKeane or BottleKnight/George Kansas) could volunteer to investigate me, and then everyone else in CopCon can agree not to interfere or something. Seems like a fairly straightforward solution that the remaining Activists may have trouble interfering with without getting caught.
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Jan 26, 2019 07:29
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Prince of Space posted:Both times I said in the twilight hour that I would have voted B-minus1 but wasn't able to get there in time. yeah, but that doesn't really mean that much unfortunately because it's said after the fact. there's no proof that you would have done it, we only have your word and i'm sure you can appreciate that scum could be saying something very similar if they were in the same situation right now.
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Jan 26, 2019 07:42
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Prince: apart from Beet, who else is scum?
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Jan 26, 2019 07:46
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Prince of Space's Ranked List of Suspects - DAY 3 STRONG TOWN READS: Officer Tobbs Gnawed - was instrumental in the apprehension and ousting of B-minus1 from CopCon in Day 2, and is still pursuing scum. Officer Max - Killer Cop - aggressively scum-hunted on Day 1 because they knew that they planned on killing someone scummy Night 1 with their ability and they needed to drum up suspects. Killed Kashuno Night 1, unfortunately. Has been very honest with CopCon since and has given accurate reads. TOWN LEANS: Officer King Burgundy - suspects and focuses on everyone semi-equally and makes cases accordingly. Some cases (Day 1's, in particular) look downright bad in hindsight, however. Commits to rereading and adjusts accordingly. Claims nothing happened to them Night 1. Represents the main logical force behind CopCon's ongoing investigations into suspects and their claims. Encourages other to scumhunt and contribute more. Officer Birdstrike - offers fewer words than most but shares their assessments and pokes holes into others' approaches. Seems to agree a lot with King Burgundy and offer accurate reads of their own. WEAKER TOWN LEANS: Officer CCKeane - Rookie Cop - tries to get scum to show themselves by any means necessary, including by making false Night 0 Cop claims. Makes a Rookie Cop role claim day 3 after investigating Hambeet overnight, which was supported by BottleKnight's Rookie Cop claim. Claims their investigation of Hambeet came back positive for scumminess. Officer KhediveRex - makes cases based on collected information and spells out his cases on others at length. Seems to make cases and votes that are well explained but ultimately distract from the more obvious votes of the day. Tunneled on Max Day 1 and Asiina Day 2. Likes to initiate conversation under novel lines of thought when they're participating at CopCon. Strange interactions with B-minus1, in hindsight. On Notice. Officer Toalpaz - named both B-minus1 and SolusLunes in their Day1 Scumlist. Either they're really good at nailing scum really early on or they're good at bussing their scum-mates. Want to see and hear more from them. Officer BottleKnight / George Kansas - Rookie Cop? - Defended both B-minus and SolusLunes and pushed for a Hal Incandenza vote Day 1. Claims to be a Rookie Cop but hasn't yet gotten results. Claims they investigated Hal Incandenza Night 1 and KhediveRex Night 2. Stays abreast of the most recent arguments and provides critical thinking. NULL-TO-SCUMMY READS: Officer Asiina - Neighbo(u)rhood Cop? - Unreadable, "100% checked out" from ongoing CopCon investigations. Incredibly ambiguous role-claim. Still, voted for B-minus1 fairly early Day 1 on a gut feeling and then switched to a SolusLunes' vote early on as well. In fact, has only voted for Scum/Activists thus far. For this reason, I really want to hear more from them (preferably not in script format, overnight). On Notice. Officer Hambeet - Election Cop? - Mostly coasting. Despite relatively high volume of posts, not voting for anyone (aside from voting B-minus1 late on Day 2 and me on Day 3) and not actively scum-hunting for anyone (aside from focusing on me). Yielded a Scum result when investigated by CCKeane Night 2.
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Hello, I am at a bed and breakfast this weekend as a mini vacation. This is the one post I will be making on Saturday. We’re coming home early Sunday so I’ll post more then. Real fast, people are calling hambeet’s role scummy but it’s essentially a governor role with a twist since second most votes dies. That is all.
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Jan 26, 2019 11:57
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Prince of Space posted:Prince of Space's Ranked List of Suspects - DAY 3 Better late than never I always say!
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Jan 26, 2019 12:47
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I mean, I guess sanity could be an issue, especially with 4 rookie cops so far, so that gives us a spectrum. But that is always a factor and I think a scum result is well worth following up on and voting, and it seems weird to discount it.
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Jan 26, 2019 13:48
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It’s fine to test the investigation but I’m specifically pushing against the characterization that the claim is scummy.
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Jan 26, 2019 15:17
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I guess to me it doesn't seem towny because a scumbo could stop the lunch (say, if it's on a scum) and get the next townie lunched. But admittedly, that would be a pretty OP role to give scum and also does directly tie that person to the person whose lunch they stopped, which is very risky for a scum, to tie themselves so brazenly to another scum. Ehhh, idk. More wifom than anything.
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Jan 26, 2019 16:59
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oh also, I changed both my name and my avatar, so just in case anyone is confused: I used to be BottleKnight. But from the ashes of BK, I rise, as George Kansas.
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Jan 26, 2019 17:00
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Whatever you say, Jimmy Mississippi. ##unvote Yeah I think four cops of differing sanities is possible so I'm going to think about this.
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Jan 26, 2019 19:54
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what am I on ignore over here28766f69642a2930 posted:Leaving aside the beet claim, who else are your scumreads?
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Jan 26, 2019 20:33
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CCKeane posted:Whatever you say, Jimmy Mississippi. Funnily I spoke about it on day 1: hambeet posted:pod recently did that five cop thing where they all had different sanities or whatever. i can't remember what that setup was called. i was in that game. you suck pod. Murmur Twin posted:Yeah it was Shine VI which he ran a few months ago, there was a dethy built in to the roles. So what do we do? We can test your data to help the other cops "calibrate" their results when I flip town. Not testing your result means it will all stay unresolved and all cops cannot trust their results going forward and town has to scum hunt the old fashioned way (probably what pod wants and its worked for us so far).
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Jan 26, 2019 23:48
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hambeet posted:So what do we do? Hmmmmmm... (emphasis mine above ^^) ##unvote Hambeet We can test CCKeane's sanity profile by waiting another night or two until he gets another successful Investigation result, at the very least. I'm still down for hunting scum outside of my suspicions on Hambeet for today. If CCKeane is unsure of themselves then I'm definitely unconvinced. Personally, I'd really like to hear more casework from KhediveRex and Asiina (both of the people who were put On Notice yesterday for their lack of participation at CopCon).
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Jan 27, 2019 00:01
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hmmmmmmmmmmm.
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Jan 27, 2019 00:07
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Here's a proposition: CCKeane, if you were to Investigate me with your Rookie Cop ability tonight (Night 3), your results the following morning would tell me your sanity profile: whether you were sane, paranoid, naive, or insane. Best yet, if someone interferes with your investigation, they'll more than likely be spotted by a Town watcher or tracker or what-have-you.
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Also, when I was going over yesterday's records I stumbled a bit when I read over this post:b-minus1 posted:Remember this post tomorrow if I am lunched today. KB and Max dominating the conversation today. ##vote KB would also switch to max Anyone got any ideas what B-minus1 was trying to do here? It's kind of a WIFOM situation (am I using that term right?), but in hindsight it makes me think that (scum) B-minus1 was trying to protect King Burgundy from suspicion, rather than actually implicate him.
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Jan 27, 2019 00:22
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I have a big list of people I'm not interested in voting based mostly on how D1 votes went down (2 flipped scum 1 flipped town on the line). hambeet is not one of those players Solus voters: Hawke, MMT, Tobbs, Max, KB, Asiina, Hal, KR, Beek. Solus not-voters: Toalpaz, Kashuno, bee, Keane, Hambeet, POS (and solus lol). Bee voters: Asiina, Tobbs, Hal, Max, Hawke, KB, Beek. Bee non-voters: hambeet, POS, Solus, bee, Keane, Kashuno, Toalpaz, KR, MMT voted both: Hawke, Tobbs, Max, Hal, KB, Asiina, beek voted neither: Toalpaz, Kashuno, bee, Keane, solus, POS, hambeet voted one: MMT, KR Are me, Hawke, Max, KB, Asiina, and beek confirmed town? No. But tossing a vote on TWO flipped scum while town was an option and no-lynching was possible is gutsy. Of people on the list of people who voted neither, I like hambeet for scum. The cop claim doesn't help. The scummy governor ability doesn't help. Anyone who thinks that claim precludes him from being scum are out of their minds. ##vote hambeet
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Prince of Space posted:Also, when I was going over yesterday's records I stumbled a bit when I read over this post: Nah
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Prince of Space posted:Here's a proposition: Given the way the rookie cop is said to work, a watcher targeting you would cause the cop to fail making the whole exercise pointless.
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28766f69642a2930 posted:Given the way the rookie cop is said to work, a watcher targeting you would cause the cop to fail making the whole exercise pointless. A Watcher shouldn't target me in that scenario, then - they could or should target CCKeane. In that case, the only way that Scum could interefere with the Investigation with the Night-Kill without getting caught by a Watcher would be by Night-Killing me instead of CCKeane, which would ultimately still yield my flip in the end. So, if CCKeane Investigates me overnight, either we get CCKeane's Investigation result and can better determine their sanity, or we get my flip from the Night-Kill in the morning and Town can move on from there. In some manner, at least, I'd hope we'd still get results by forcing Scum's hand. Anyway, it's usually not always ideal to declare our night actions in advance, of course, so I'll understand if this proposal of mine doesn't gain any traction.
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not a fan of Prince trying to direct the claimed cops tbh
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Jan 27, 2019 02:37
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28766f69642a2930 posted:not a fan of Prince trying to direct the claimed cops tbh
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28766f69642a2930 posted:not a fan of Prince trying to direct the claimed cops tbh I understand your apprehension, so I'll try and take a backseat and let others discuss their scumreads and whatnot over the rest of CopCon's Day 3. Our voting deadline's in about two days, which seems like a lot of time until you factor in the fact that it's the weekend and discussions take days to process due to time zones and Cop availability.
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