CCKeane posted:

I'll throw this out as a possibility: Khedive knows he was visited by a scum teammate in some capacity, is hoping that silence by the town condemns BK.

There's many possibilities for a failure, and Khedive is trying to make it so the only explanation is BK is scum.

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Votecount for Day 3

Prince of Space (1): hambeet
hambeet (1): CCKeane, Prince of Space, CCKeane, Prince of Space, Tobbs Gnawed
KhediveRex (1): CCKeane
CCKeane (1): 28766f69642a2930

Not Voting (7): Asiina, George Kansas, KhediveRex, King Burgundy, Max, Prince of Space, Toalpaz

With 11 cops still alive, it takes 6 votes to ban someone from CopCon.
The current deadline is January 28^th, 2019 at 8 p.m. EST -- that's in about 22 hours, 35 minutes.

Asiina and KhediveRex are ON NOTICE!

hambeet posted:

(and put on my make up)

hambeet posted:

i'm 12.5% on my way to making this a page o beet

CCKeane posted:

For the folks following at home:

-Rex is openly requesting that a power role reveal themselves, and then denies that he is doing this.

-Rex is dismissing my investigation result as "a Gambit", because I used a gambit to try to get D1 started. This is so much of a stretch that I suddenly had a burst of nostalgia for my long forgotten but beloved Stretch Armstrong doll.

-Rex's reaction to BK's claim is likewise bizarre.

KhediveRex posted:

I'm not fishing. I asked people specifically not to tell me their roles.

A lot of these roles are minor. This was something I thought was obvious but needed to be pointed out when you presented the argument that anyone calling themselves not vanilla could result in us losing the game.

This question *could* totally clear BK. It *could* also totally condemn BK. And that being the case, it's an important question to answer.

hambeet posted:

Khed, what if hal visited you last night?

hambeet posted:

What if *gasp* hal bus drove you and me?

Asiina posted:

I have no idea what that whole fight was about.

I'm annoyed, I can't follow this game.

Asiina posted:

I'm just glazing over everything Rex and Prince are saying. It's just so verbose while saying so little. At least it seems that way, maybe they're making excellent cases but I can't actually decipher them at all.

Prince of Space posted:

KhediveRex posted:

Someone speaks my language!! I thought I was forever alone!!

We can be friends Prince. In fact we must be friends now. It's too late. You and me? Pals. Confirmed. No take-backsies.

I don't disagree with the larger points of your assessment but let me respond to your four main criticisms.

1) BK seeming genuine in his reaction to Keane is far from conclusive evidence.

2) Is there any reason BK would not have backed up Keane's claim? We had already lost two Rookie Cops by that point, it was pretty clear Keane wasn't making up the role. And BK's security comes from his interactions with Keane. He would want Keane to seem towny and for his case to he taken seriously, especially if the case was aimed at a not scum.

3) This is the best point you have raised in my opinion. I also agree that there are four Rookie Cops and that in the absence of a fifth claim it makes sense to treat all four of them as genuine.

4) BK would have been well advised guessing that someone would visit me last night. I came off of day 2 with a lot of heat on me owing to the Asiina case.

I Guess The Things I'd Emphasize Are

What will we say if really no one at all can vet BK's claim? We have most of a full day for it to happen, so, I'm waiting to see. But, what happens if it doesn't? We chalk it up to Hal and move on? At that point there is a contradiction in his claimed moves and it seems super charitable to let that go without any examination.

Is Keane's reaction to my case what you would expect from Keane? I've never seen him slap fight and he got super riled up about my BK case. Defensive. Was I being totally inaccessible and he was in his right to assume I was arguing against him? Or is there something more there?

Prince of Space posted:

This is impossible, because otherwise CCKeane wouldn't have succeeded in their Investigation of you.

hambeet posted:

actually, with the idea of a dethy (with cops of varying sanity) plus the cops investigations failing if someone visits their target it's seems like the cops are horribly broken from the get go.

their results are either completely unreliable because of sanity

or they're just going to fail because of interference from other players who may visit their investigation target (bus driver who visits at least two players in a night, a messenger, presumably a couple of other town roles, as well as scum roles that might not kill)


does that not seem odd?

hambeet posted:

cops are horribly broken from the get go.

hambeet posted:

why?

it seems the rookie cops are as useful as vanilla town at this point. probably actively more harmful.

you probably won't agree with that last point until i flip town, but yeah... kind of seems all a big distraction.

Tobbs Gnawed posted:

We have no evidence that cops are anything but sane. Differing sanities are pure speculation, right?

Tobbs Gnawed posted:

We have no evidence that cops are anything but sane. Differing sanities are pure speculation, right?

KhediveRex posted:

Max - Didn't kill anyone with unique flavor text last night, lends credence to their claim. Likely to be Town.

hambeet posted:

ugh okay apologies for the setup spec.



it's going off the idea that there's four cops. if four cops were all sane, that'd be horribly over powered for town. so pod's balanced them some what.

so there's two ways it appears that's been done:

either their sanities have been hosed with and they're gonna stuff up their results (lol, they are rookie cops after all), or
their results failing if someone else visits was the balancing mechanism, by having the bus driver, messenger and other roles, plus the four of them running around bumbling into each other and ruining results.


both are likely i feel. pod recently did a dethy (first option) in a recent game. would he use it again? maybe?

would he do both options? this is what i was talking about a few posts ago. having both options in play means rookie cops are really useless. a big joke by pod. however that seems tremendously mean & unfair. still pretty much pod though. but yeah, is having both too much? well..


i know the first has to be somewhat true because i know i'm town. you all wont know conclusively until i flip.

the second we know is also somewhat true by claimed night results.


sooo here we are.


it's why i said i'm okay being flipped, it's give us info on the claimed cops. unless someone has a much better case and lynch candidate.

CCKeane posted:

You flipping doesn't do poo poo for my sanity though, so I mean, let's chill.

28766f69642a2930 posted:

weird how Rex conveniently forgot about asiina from yesterday until she’s free to dunk tomorrow

Toalpaz posted:

I have gone through nearly everyone's post histories, I've gotta go out and do nerdy games but I'll be around and on my phone to make sure lunch happens. This is what's stuck out to me as scummy personally. I know that a lot of these aren't possible lunches tonight but this is the last time I'll get to post seriously before possible NKed. (the S stands for scum),

-S The B- File:
B- has been content lite this game, asked for some more comments on people. Suggested a chain lunch turbo but refused to elaborate. Asiina asked for us to lunch him because he’s present but not engaging with content. I think this is a fine lunch/meta read on b-. I’m scum lean on this.

-S The CCKeane file:
I have words about this, it's mostly that Keane votes me for wanting to appear 'correct' over having specific scum reads on the situation. The truth of the matter is that situation that Keane constructed is utter WIFOM, and I didn't post reads because based off of a piece of WIFOM because guesswork and I hadn't really read the people involved (MMT and Keane). I think Keane is scum now because we're close to deadline and all Keane's done really is ask a lot of why and who questions, without offering many opinions themself, apart from throwing light shade at me and KDRex. Keane has left their vote on me since I answered their riddle poorly and we're close to deadline where we need to iron out who's who and make lunch clear. The whole riddle situation that Keane constructed doesn't have a clear answer, and expecting me to give them a read on Keane or MMT based on that is kinda BS.

-S The Hal file:
Probably Hal’s scumgame would vote. Not much of value there. Just doesn't seem present imo.

-S The Hambeet File:
Right now Hambeet sits at a miserly 55 posts, while second top poster, is nowhere near what I would expect in general, coming in just over half of top poster Max. This meta reads as scum.

The Kash File
Well, okay. It sounded like you were going out for dinner and bailing on the vote. That's how I read your post. It sounded like bye bye folks, I'm out. My bad if that wasn't your intention.

-S The SolusLunes File
Probably scum. Wouldn't put it past him lurky etc. That whole exchange (the vote/unvote on max) reads as overly awkward. That said we should never kill Solus D1 because... come on. Give him a break.

In response to MMT about Max. I honestly can't remember scum Max or what scum Max would play like. I think it's odd how people have been generous to me this game re: reading the intent of some of the things I've said positively, and I'm personally happy about KB and Max's play. Max is also top poster with almost twice of Hambeet's post. Basically, for D1, if Max is scum Max is scum I can live with and hopefully it will become more clear through his interactions.