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Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Your data suggests:
Little to no automatic preference between Straight People and Gay People.

Surprised me given how terrible many straights are :v:

ronya posted:

This makes sense for a movement whose founding generational trauma is not austerity, or the GFC, but Iraq
Personally the best thing about 2015 Corbyn was his lifetime opposition to Blair's domestic authoritarianism.

Opposing Iraq was good too, and a lot of that domestic authoritarianism came out of 9/11 and unpopular wars, but for probably selfish reasons "less likely than Blair to want to test Muslim fetuses for radicalization in utero" is more important than "less likely than Blair to gently caress about in the Middle East because God told him."

There are 7 suicides mentioned throughout the Bible. All but one (Judas) are in the Old Testament.

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Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

OrthoTrot posted:

The majority of the country don't want Brexit.

[citation needed]

Bardeh
Dec 2, 2004

Fun Shoe

Angrymog posted:

I'm leaving work in about 20 minutes. If you're still stuck and not stupid far from me (starting from West malling) I can bring you a hot drink or something

wtf do you work in Kings Hill?

AceOfFlames
Oct 9, 2012

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

Thread might get a kick out of this. My boss's boss's boss's boss told me and my colleagues about it and how it's useful in our industry (grant giving)

https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/selectatest.html

It's a selection of tests that detect subconscious biases you might have, regardless of conscious opinions - the kind of thing that matters when you're selecting people for things (eg. jobs)

I've done one test and scored "moderate bias against gay people" which is sad, but as my boss(x4) said, it's being aware of the bias and trying to counter it (eg. anonymisation of applications, in e.g. name bias) that counts.

Anyway time for the thread to find out how secretly racist/fattest/ageist it is!

I stopped the second it told me "Press left for 'Good' and 'Straight' items and right for 'Bad' and 'Gay' items" Did Liberty University make this or is this some kind of joke?

EvilGenius
May 2, 2006
Death to the Black Eyed Peas
gently caress carpet. My current rented house is carpeted everywhere except the kitchen. I have 2 kids, including a toddler, and I live in Devon, which is pretty much rain every day at certain times of year. I just resent having to put so much time and money into maintaining someone else's carpet fetish.

Angrymog
Jan 30, 2012

Really Madcats

Bardeh posted:

wtf do you work in Kings Hill?

Yep

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

AceOfFlames posted:

I stopped the second it told me "Press left for 'Good' and 'Straight' items and right for 'Bad' and 'Gay' items" Did Liberty University make this or is this some kind of joke?
No, Harvard did.

It tests time and jitter between Good/Straight Bad/Gay and Bad/Straight Good/Gay.

Gorn Myson
Aug 8, 2007






feedmegin posted:

RIP Hyacinth Bucket's husband.
I mean RIP and all but the only thing I know about him outside of Keeping Up Appearances is this https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/cult/a841841/doctor-who-grumpy-interview-resurfaces-clive-swift/

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

AceOfFlames posted:

I stopped the second it told me "Press left for 'Good' and 'Straight' items and right for 'Bad' and 'Gay' items" Did Liberty University make this or is this some kind of joke?

It does it one way and then the other, though whether it always does minority/bad first or not I don't know. If it does then lol.

Bardeh
Dec 2, 2004

Fun Shoe

I live in Kings Hill! Now I'm gonna be looking at all the office workers going to Asda for their lunch every day and wondering which one the goon is

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

AceOfFlames posted:

I stopped the second it told me "Press left for 'Good' and 'Straight' items and right for 'Bad' and 'Gay' items" Did Liberty University make this or is this some kind of joke?

It's training you to sort items singly into good/bad categories, and then testing your association of good/bad and factors such as skin colour, age, etc. I mean, that's the entire point of the thing.

coffeetable
Feb 5, 2006

TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

YES I DO TALK TO PLANTS ACTUALLY

OwlFancier posted:

It does it one way and then the other, though whether it always does minority/bad first or not I don't know. If it does then lol.

faq at the end

quote:

What About Order Effects?

One very common question is about the order of the parts of the IAT. The answer is yes, the order in which you take the test can influence on your overall results. But, the effect is very small. So if you first pair people with dark skin + bad and then pair people with dark skin + good, your results might be just a tiny bit more negative toward people with dark skin than they would be if you had done the reverse pairing first. One way that we try to minimize this order effect is by giving more practice trials before the second pairing than we did before the first pairing. It is also important to know that each participant is randomly assigned to an order, so half of test-takers complete people with dark skin + bad and then people with dark skin + good, and the other half of test-takers get the opposite order.

bump_fn
Apr 12, 2004

two of them
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1091002496951103488

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

OwlFancier posted:

It does it one way and then the other, though whether it always does minority/bad first or not I don't know. If it does then lol.
Good Gay Bad Gay would be an interesting take on either the police procedural or the [Professional Title] [Common Last Name] Mysteries show.

Angrymog
Jan 30, 2012

Really Madcats

Bardeh posted:

I live in Kings Hill! Now I'm gonna be looking at all the office workers going to Asda for their lunch every day and wondering which one the goon is
I prefer Waitrose tbh. Hot drink offer still open if needed.

Edited: lol snow. Thanks, weather. Thweather.

Angrymog fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Feb 1, 2019

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

coffeetable posted:

faq at the end

It's good that they flip it but it's assuming an awful lot about your ability to form and reform patterns. I can barely sort two categories much less two categories the opposite way round.

Same reason I can't spell out loud.

Surprise Giraffe
Apr 30, 2007
1 Lunar Road
Moon crater
The Moon

MrFlibble posted:

Hmmmmm I wonder what the difference between austerity and Brexit is? I wonder if one is massively more popular than the other?

The country is thick as poo poo and as long as Brexit remains a hypothetical there is a very large, very vocal voting block that are convinced that it would have been great except for BLANK. If you are for the BLANK to become Labour you are thick or evil or both.

What you are claiming is that left wing governments are effectively impossible if the right can use a wedge issue to split our block, but if you know you have the only sensible answers it's ludicrous to throw your lot in with idiotic ideas when their stupidity inevitably turns them toxic. Where would you say the capitulation should stop? What the gently caress do you want Labour to do if the media convice the [bored, loud] part of the public they want hanging back for example? At some point you have to be the public loudspeak for your own vanguard. We've managed it on the economy and if it wasn't working on the Brexit shitshow the answer was never to just give up and join in the madness.

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

Guavanaut posted:

Personally the best thing about 2015 Corbyn was his lifetime opposition to Blair's domestic authoritarianism.

Opposing Iraq was good too, and a lot of that domestic authoritarianism came out of 9/11 and unpopular wars, but for probably selfish reasons "less likely than Blair to want to test Muslim fetuses for radicalization in utero" is more important than "less likely than Blair to gently caress about in the Middle East because God told him."

Corbyn has adroitly leveraged concerns over police cuts and crime as an angle of attack, and he has explicitly endorsed the paradigm of visible policing. this is what slamming David Cameron's Home Sec and then eventually PM May for people not feeling safe due to police cuts means (and back in early 2016 there was no evident surge in knife crime yet)

compare, e.g., Corbyn in the age of Blair

quote:

Mr Corbyn confirms that Labour now listens less to outside organisations, preferring instead the confidence of the police. "Labour used to be heavily influenced by organisations like Liberty, the Howard League, the Bar Council and the Haldane Society," he said. He traces the change back to Neil Kinnock's decision in 1986/7 to rewrite the aims and values of the party on the basis that it could only get elected by appealing to a right-wing constituency. As a result, now, he says, when senior police officers, "unelected civil servants, set a political agenda [they aren't] criticised for interfering in politics. Instead [their] contributions are often welcomed by the leadership".

Corbyn, today:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06pqwb0

ronya fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Feb 1, 2019

OrthoTrot
Dec 10, 2006
Its either Trotsky or its Notsky

MrFlibble posted:

Hmmmmm I wonder what the difference between austerity and Brexit is? I wonder if one is massively more popular than the other?

The country is thick as poo poo and as long as Brexit remains a hypothetical there is a very large, very vocal voting block that are convinced that it would have been great except for BLANK. If you are for the BLANK to become Labour you are thick or evil or both.

They are a minority, and a racist one at that. We should not pander to them.

I mean, we're for changing their ideas right? I'm a socialist. The majority of the people in this country aren't. They're not going to change their minds just by accident. Presumably at some point they'll need to be persuaded, which will at the very least involve putting forward views they don't initially agree with and making a case.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

OrthoTrot posted:

They are a minority

[citation still needed]

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


I got strong preference for light skinned over dark, but it felt pretty entirely about having done white/good black/bad first then swapping, my brain just didn't readjust.

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.
which is not OLOLOLOLOL CORBYN FLIP-FLOPPING, I stress - people's views evolve; just ask that noted Marxism Today contributor A. C. L. Blair.

It is, however, I think fair to say that Corbyn, as leader, is quite willing to be pragmatic (if you don't like the T word)

OrthoTrot
Dec 10, 2006
Its either Trotsky or its Notsky
Ukmt: Brexit will be so bad I've started preparations akin to that necessary for an actual loving apocalypse.

Also ukmt: If you want the movement elected in your name to oppose brexit you're a oval office.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


At Manchester waiting for the train back to Edinburgh and there's people giving out free beers that I'm just walking back and forth in front of.

Got 5 beers out of it, gonna arrive home nice and toasty

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


More cops and doing brexit is good and if you fpbes can't accept that go back to Venezuela!!!

MrFlibble
Nov 28, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Fallen Rib

OrthoTrot posted:

They are a minority, and a racist one at that. We should not pander to them.

Leave voters are a minority, and they're all racists.

loving genius we've got here.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

OrthoTrot posted:

Ukmt: Brexit will be so bad I've started preparations akin to that necessary for an actual loving apocalypse.

Also ukmt: If you want the movement elected in your name to oppose brexit you're a oval office.

because I'm feeling generous I'm going to give you a third chance to back up your claim that Leavers are now in a minority

MrFlibble
Nov 28, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Fallen Rib

OrthoTrot posted:

Ukmt: Brexit will be so bad I've started preparations akin to that necessary for an actual loving apocalypse.

Also ukmt: If you want the movement elected in your name to oppose brexit you're a oval office.

We have a party who oppose brexit. Wonder how much they want the next election, ready to snap up all those remain voters?

Oh, the liberal democrats won't support any more votes of no confidence? Jesus, its like they don't understand how bigly they're going to win.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

ronya posted:

which is not OLOLOLOLOL CORBYN FLIP-FLOPPING, I stress - people's views evolve; just ask that noted Marxism Today contributor A. C. L. Blair.

It is, however, I think fair to say that Corbyn, as leader, is quite willing to be pragmatic (if you don't like the T word)
I'm still not convinced that evolving into the direction of millions more police and also the Terrorism Acts aren't all bad is a positive step for him compared to his previous positions.

Perhaps necessary to be more electable, but there's a parallel debate on the worth of that going on right now ITT.

The only thing I am confident in is that millions more police under Diane Abbott would be better managed than any number of police under "I'd deport my own dad for taking jobs from a white bus driver" the Egg, but it seems like a very tabloidy direction to go in. Like "they need more police and to stop being so soft" is a certified ham man opinion.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Guavanaut posted:

I'm still not convinced that evolving into the direction of millions more police and also the Terrorism Acts aren't all bad is a positive step for him compared to his previous positions.

Perhaps necessary to be more electable, but there's a parallel debate on the worth of that going on right now ITT.

The only thing I am confident in is that millions more police under Diane Abbott would be better managed than any number of police under "I'd deport my own dad for taking jobs from a white bus driver" the Egg, but it seems like a very tabloidy direction to go in. Like "they need more police and to stop being so soft" is a certified ham man opinion.

It's okay how could courting and placating the authoritarian right possibly backfire in the foreseeable future?

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.
nonetheless, that was 2015 newly-anointed Corbyn

back then the buzz was "pft it's because he's got a nobody-believes-he's-no-longer-a-blairite Andy Burnham as his shadow home sec" but Labour maintained that angle even with Literally Diane Abbott

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I'm not entirely convinced that it's going to be purely a mandate to hire more police, but "hire more police" probably polls and communicates better than "give the police more money" which is actually what is needed.

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

Julio Cruz posted:

because I'm feeling generous I'm going to give you a third chance to back up your claim that Leavers are now in a minority

Latest survation is showing 45% leave, 55% remain

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

i really do not understand why properly funding the police is considered authoritarian

obviously it can be a component of authoritarianism but basically if one sees policing as a public service then it's trivial to argue for its funding

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008
A school have to demolish a nursery/reception building after a pretty lengthy legal battle.
There's obviously a good argument that the building shouldn't have been constructed, but some of the arguments laid by the opponents are a tad laughable:

quote:

The opponents reminded the court of the value of open space, particularly to those of modest means, even if it was not superficially idyllic or justifying an elegiac description, and the role of open space in “spiritual wellbeing”. On a site visit, they drew the court’s attention to the noisiness of the western part of the churchyard compared to the quieter areas further east, including the location of the nursery.

The only people I've seen using that space are people smoking crack. Not to comment on the spiritual wellbeing of crack users, of course. Although I'd guess many of them count as "those of modest means".

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

V. Illych L. posted:

i really do not understand why properly funding the police is considered authoritarian

obviously it can be a component of authoritarianism but basically if one sees policing as a public service then it's trivial to argue for its funding

Or even if you don't see it as a public service you need a more comprehensive plan to get rid of it than "cut public funding and privatise it"

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

notaspy posted:

Latest survation is showing 45% leave, 55% remain

And what was their polling showing before the referendum?

MrFlibble
Nov 28, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Fallen Rib

notaspy posted:

Latest survation is showing 45% leave, 55% remain

I seem to remember a very similar poll, sometime memorable.

Can't for the life of me remember exactly when though. When would it have been memorable and important to see a 45/55 split on the brexit issue?
The world may never know.

What might be more interesting, and useful is to see how many people put BREXIT as the most important issue and the people who put STOP BREXIT as the most important issue. Now, I happen to know of an interesting way to obtain these results.

What are the numbers for the liberal democrats and what are the numbers for literally every other party?

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Guavanaut posted:

There are 7 suicides mentioned throughout the Bible. All but one (Judas) are in the Old Testament.

Arguably, Jesus counts too.

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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


V. Illych L. posted:

i really do not understand why properly funding the police is considered authoritarian

obviously it can be a component of authoritarianism but basically if one sees policing as a public service then it's trivial to argue for its funding

It's because the polis are loving useless scum OP who exist to defend the status quo.

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