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Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are
It took me until episode 6 or so to realize that battle_Alex has a detached bit of chin hair, and isn't making a :v: face all the time. The good news is that I can't unsee it, and every time I look at his dumb loving facial expression it makes me giggle uncontrollably.

I would totally throw my name in for a guest commentator. I even have a loud cat who can add his thoughts.

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Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are
This podcast :stonklol:

It's like finding out that guy in your scene who you had a bad feeling about really IS a sex pest.

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are

Fancy Hat! posted:

I think its the fully modeled teeth that makes the face look so weird, Alex almost always looks like he's screaming with those facial models because the teeth are almost always bared.

I think it'd look way less weird if they just had painted on mouths.

I still keep confusing his soul patch for his mouth.

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are

GrandmaParty posted:

So aside from Katherine Husky Hog, I haven't had any women offer to co-commentate on this. I'd love to get some female co-commentators for a few episodes. Do y'all know anyone or have any recommendations for people I should ask?

I'm a lady-person and I'm on the list.

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are

GrandmaParty posted:

Then I owe you an apology. I'm sorry for misgendering you and I'm glad you're helping out.

Haha, no big! It happens, like, constantly. I've been posting on the worst thread for years, and they just realized I'm a girl, like, a month ago. It's kind of my internet MO to show up somewhere and wait til someone asks before gendering myself.

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are

get that OUT of my face posted:

True, but those moments are sandwiched between so many words that it makes Golden Sun look like a breeze. So by the time a story about an affair with an older man comes up, or a golden alpaca appears as an enemy for no apparent reason, sometimes you can't help but shrug.

And I thought the fishing sections in Breath of Fire IV were interminable.

Wait, what the gently caress am I saying? I bought a loving fishing controller for the PS2 and actively seek out reasons to play the fishing minigames TO. THIS. DAY.

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are

GrandmaParty posted:

I honestly don't know. We've got to get the band back together and then find the robot lady and go in her mouth and then Nipple Man comes and ending stuff happens. But we spend a long time in Robo Lady's mouth.

Probably around 10.

I've been toying with doing a quick spinoff once we get closer to show off what it'll be like.

Maybe the spin-off is a game that sucks less? I mean, at least it's sucking in a really enjoyable way for a hater like me :colbert:

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are
Permission to use "Psychopomp Bureaucracy" for an ambient track title sometime? :v:

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are
Granted, watching an LP is different from playing the game, but the pacing seems SUPER terrible. Even for an obviously terrible all-around game.

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are

corn in the bible posted:

look, who isn't a disaffected 20-year-old racist manchild with a vinyl record collection and an obsession with arcade cabinets? makes u think don't it

Also, let's get it out in the open: I don't believe Alex did any karate outside of having his mom buy him belts at the local McDojo.

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are

Omnicrom posted:

I think someone said this was elaborated in that hideous Podcast he was on that I didn't even try to listen to.

Good for you. I thought maybe I'd pick up on some context that might make this game's existence make some sense, but no, it just reminded me that toxic masculinity is real and execrable.

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are

Ramos posted:

Michael is not the sort of guy I can imagine with chest hair. He's too... twinky?

Right? Like, nothing of his character design makes me think he's a dude with that much loving body hair.

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are
By the way, I forgot to mention it on the recording, but Katherine is 100% on point about 90s era Wolverine being naked and hairy all the goddamn time.

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are

GrandmaParty posted:

You're a nice person and I'm half Jewish Mother. I care about all my babies.

Grandma is the best :allears:

But seriously, bless you for taking on this dumb loving game.

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are
I have questions now.

- Has Alex shown any interest in cannabis outside of LOL @SNESman420? I would have expected him to be more of an XxSNESmanxX or SNESman69 type.
- Frankton is obviously smaller than my hometown, and I'm a fuckin' hayseed. We're talking about a place that's, like, Letterkenny small. How many missing people can there be before Dateline NBC and Nancy Grace show up and refuses to leave?
- Not a question, but I didn't like only having two bullet points. Using real life events as inspiration is one thing, but there's something about the way this game does it that feels slimy and gross.

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are

value-brand cereal posted:

Is it truly a 100% run if co-commentators don't post pics of their cats / respective animal friends? :thinky face:

Where is this Xander? Post the Xander please. The thread wants to know how fluffy this Goth Cat is. Pretty please? Dirt Road Junglist, please. Where's the kitty kitty?

Oh god, you're right! My negligence is astounding!



He is mostly fur, some cat. He also likes to scare people, like my former roommate:



SOOON.

Also, he claims to be a tuxedo cat, but based on his markings, it's really more like lederhosen.

https://www.instagram.com/p/hkf2VRgSyv/

(Not sure how to embed Instagram without potential fuckery, sorry.)

Dirt Road Junglist fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Apr 19, 2019

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are

DeafNote posted:

He looks very fluffy indeed.
I wish this was a thread about cats instead of YIIK now.
The only cat in YIIK is a mangled mess and a failed visual reference.

Maybe Dali will grow into something handsome? Xander's OG cat mom said she adopted him because he was the runtiest, ugliest kitten in the humane society, and look how handsome he is now! (He knows it, too. He's very vain. I had to bathe him once because another cat peed on him, and he was so unhappy until his fur fluffed out again.) I'm going to pretend Dali is a small, ugly kitten that will get better because he's a cat and all cats deserve a decent life.

Xander facts: He was named after Xander Cage in xXx

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are

Nidoking posted:

What a coincidence. My mom also has a cat named Xander. She likes sleeping on top of things you want to use, like laptop cases, suitcases, or paperwork.



I want to hug her until I have visible cat hair on any color of clothing I wear.

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are
It's not my thread, but I'm loving the cat content :yeah:

IUG posted:

This game is so bad that I think it needs more cats to help keep away the suffering.

Lucy:


Lily:


Neither of them look terribly impressed with their portraits, but they are both beautiful kittehs. My IRL goon_friend's mom had a cat like Lily who used to sit on my lap while I house-sat. They also had 3 giant black labs who wished they could sit in my lap, but I'm not very big and they are each VERY big.

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are

Heath posted:

My mom has been getting chemo treatments and has been pretty miserable and bed-bound so we got her a cat. I don't have a photo of him but he has basically carried her through it emotionally by being the sweetest boy. I am very grateful to this good cat friend because I live several states away and can't be there all the time. :3:

Aw, that's so sweet! I had a lovely cat friend named Jake when I was recovering from surgery a few years back, and he legitimately helped me heal. He passed away recently, but he was like 18 and lived a very full life.



Also, this is Biska, Xander's former companion when I first moved out here. She's since found a new cat mom, and is still the prettiest lady. (It's Portland, she needed some time with the happy lamp.)



C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! This is Thor, aka, the Thorgi, goon friend Relentless's most adorable pupper.

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are

nine-gear crow posted:

Oh god, it's so salty I can feel my arteries hardening just listening to it. Of loving course Andrew Allanson thinks anything written by Ayn Rand is the height of literature and something to emulated and aspired too :rolleyes:

Also, that he was trying to make a video game version of a Palhinuk or Murakami novel, which is the most...white male of his generation thing possible.

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are

Robindaybird posted:

I wouldn't put Peter Molyneux on the same level as David "I built a literal shrine to Ellen Page since she was eight years old, and frequently put in extremely racist caricatures in all my games while claiming I invented the narrative-based games" Cage.

Molyneux is guilty of over-promising, but he's not as garbage as Cage.

Wait what

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are

Crabtree posted:

He claims he came up with Beyond Two Souls just looking at pictures of Ellen Page, but the fact that he created a nude model of her without her consent suggests an obsession of some sort. He's also a raging homophobe and abusive boss.

:allbuttons:

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are

Solitair posted:

For what it's worth, I would much rather reread Homestuck in its entirety than play YIIK once. Given how much more repugnant I find Andrew Allanson as a person and creator than Andrew Hussie, I'm wondering if latter-day Cerebus would be a better comparison.

At least Cerebus started good, and for all of Dave Sim's deplorable views, he's an extremely talented sequential artist. He's one I really have to wrestle with in terms of "killing the author," because his comics have so much in them that's worth studying.

YIIK is just shite all the way down. It's not even original shite, it's a purposeful pastiche of older works, meant to instill nostalgia, and it fails even at that.

fluffyDeathbringer posted:

to give the barest shred of credit, allanson is slightly right about one thing: the game recognizes that alex is flawed. but not how he's flawed.

This is a failure of a lot of writing, I've found, where the author is either writing a self-insert or is way too close to their darling and can't be objective. They assign an arbitrary flaw or two, and then say, "Look everyone, my character has an issue, therefore they are not perfect nor are they a self-insert!" without actually accounting for characterization, plausibility, or anything really. They're just filling out their role playing character sheet like, "M'kay, so I need an extra point in STR, so I'm gonna take a flaw where I have a stutter. Yeah! Complex characterization!" Only it doesn't actually affect them in any substantial way, they forget to RP it half the time, and the other half of the time they only use it to make other characters feel bad for noticing. Similar to when you ask someone in a job interview what they would consider their weakness, and they say something like, "My biggest flaw is I work TOO hard," and you roll your eyes and move their resume to the, "probably not," pile.

Dirt Road Junglist fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Apr 23, 2019

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are

Mors Rattus posted:

I actually think you could make an argument for WarioWare being postmodern but only if interpreted though some fairly specific lenses as an exploration of the idea of games, attention span and wealth through the character of Wario and his crew.

Oh, there's absolutely an argument there. It's a deconstruction of what is a game, by making a game OF games, but also with the property of the twisted version of one of Nintendo's (and, really, all of media's) most enduring heroes and mascots. It's SUPER post modern.


Zanzibar Ham posted:

“When it came to my game, I never took any shortcuts. Over the past five years, I’d worked my way down the entire recommended game genre list. Puzzle, Shooter, Beat'emup, Platformer, SHMUP, Fighting, RTS, TBS, Adventure, Action, Simulation, Dating Sim, RPG (j and c), Rhythm. I included every single genre I figured would get gamers to buy my game."
― Andrew Allanson, creator of YIIK

"I wanted to make the best movie, so I made a movie that's action, driving, romance, drama, kung fu, foreign, porno, documentary, AND it's in a special version of 3D that I just made up with my brother!"

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are

Crabtree posted:

You're supposed to tolerate and appreciate me, the game.

Ugh, if I wanted to do that, I'd get back with my ex boyfriend.

I think dude had a really high falutin' ideal for a game, did a moon shot, couldn't see if it landed, and very hopefully assumed that cuz he didn't see it crash, it totally landed perfectly.

And then someone called him to tell him they found his rocket, in pieces, in the ocean.

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are
Why do I suddenly want to play Barkley Shut Up And Jam Gaiden?

I mean, there's a time and a place for mash ups, but there's also a reason why mash ups aren't a category in the Grammys.

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are

Omnicrom posted:

I think if Alex stopped monologuing the game in general would be better. It still wouldn't be good, Alex is a poo poo even with his mouth closed, but it would be a marked step up.

What ever happened to silent RPG heroes? Sigh.

Would be amused if someone did a remix of this game that took out all of Alex's dialogue...

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

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And through our cruelty
They will know who we are

BioEnchanted posted:

I think I've figured out what's going on - this is the best the developer could actually do graphically on his own. All the other assets are either stolen, bought or commissioned by more talented people, and all that the dev could muster was amateurish garbage, but he knew it looked terrible so found a loophole so he could say it was supposed to be bad.

Reminds me of something a friend said about a lovely band in our town that considered themselves "lo-fi" : "Hey guys, you know it's okay not to suck?"

Crabtree posted:

I am the third ending and there are four lights!

Four balls on a cliff?

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

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And through our cruelty
They will know who we are

creationist believer posted:

Look out, apparently having a cat with a mustache is a sign that your reality is about to end :ohdear:

My cat has half a mustache, does that mean Thanos is coming? :ohdear:

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are
Is Grandia worth revisiting in this era? I remember liking the art enough to buy an artbook of it, but I never played it.

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are
This is gonna come off real academic, but I'm pulling this out of my rear end based on college courses I took a decade ago and some associated reading since. Sorry for any pretentious wording or what sounds like art student BS cuz, lol, I'm super good at art student BS from being an art student.

Anyway.

Post-Modernism, broadly, is a reaction to (and subversion of) Modernism. Modernism being the movement that followed/coincided with the Industrial Revolution and the Enlightenment and gave rise to utopian ideals of how much control Man had over Nature. That sort of mentality got fractured around the time of the World Wars, when Man (god, I'm sorry, but I just got into Art History Essay mode so I'm gonna capitalize poo poo accordingly) figured out that our world is fuckin busted, and Man has no more control over it than he did as a dirt farmer on the fringes of the Fertile Crescent. Like, sure, try terraforming the farmland in the North American heartland; that big river gon' do whatever it gon' do regardless, so lol puny human, enjoy your flood damage.

See also, Dada, Surrealism, Futurism...Art Deco was a movement that was more a positive spin on Modernism, where a lot of other Post-Modern movements were about tearing down Modernism and exposing its flaws.

Ramos posted:

I don't know about post modern game but Baba Is You has a good example of a post modern mechanic. The player's agency sits with word You in that game. However, You, on its own, cannot do anything and instead you have to assign an object the You descriptor. Thus, Baba Is You means that you're now in control of Baba but you technically are not playing as Baba. You're still You. This gets messed around with in various levels where You has to get connected to other stuff and even multiple things can end up being You.

It reexamines to some extent what the player's role is in connection to the game world.

That also sounds like how pointers work in programming. META AS gently caress.

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are
Ugh, AACK would be the kind of people who would listen to C&C and misunderstand everything.

CodfishCartographer posted:

A buddy of mine that majored in theatre describes postmodern plays as "not having a point" and thus any piece of work with explicit change or character development could arguably not be postmodern, as then they have a point beyond "not having a point".

In his view, the first game that springs to mind as "postmodern" in that sense is the Wario ware series, since nothing really matters and everything is small and fleeting.

That's not incorrect. "Not having a point" is a subversion of the idea that all art had to achieve some sort of goal, so anything that's linear, 5 acts, hero's journey, or otherwise a "conventional" structure, and therefore is Post-Modern. It's not the entire definition, but it's definitely on the right track.

Mors Rattus posted:

Technically speaking, Baba Is You is a programming language.

It's been proven to be Turing-complete.

Oh cool!

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

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And through our cruelty
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The Skeleton King posted:

Modernism states that art has rules, requires work, and must achieve a goal. Post modernism rejects this and states that anything can be art, effort is not required, and no point needs to be made. Post modernism can be used as a criticism of things, or simply as something that rejects outside influences and exists as its own thing. There is no one true way to do post modernism as far as I’m aware. This is part of the appeal to this way of thinking, it has a certain freedom to it, for better or worse.

Warioware practically embodies this school of thought, but it is not the only way a game can be post modern, since there is no truly concrete way to be post modern.

I think we're on the same page here :D

The Skeleton King posted:

As for YIIK, whether or not it’s post modern I don’t really know, but whether or not it’s post modern is not at all what it’s problem is anyway. It’s problem is that it’s an unfun game with lovely writing and garbage characters.

I won't say it's NOT post modern, but I will say it's not a very well thought out example of post-modernism.

The bad part of post-modernism is that it tends to be a thing that's nebulous and resistant to definition (IMO, because it's defined as, "whatever is NOT this," which means it never GETS a definition, which is also totes post-modernist, oh my god IT'S MADE OF STARS SEND HELP I CAN'T EVEN).

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

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And through our cruelty
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GrandmaParty posted:

I'll keep this chart alive throughout future lps

I mean, if there's any kind of pun scorecard, iospace will inevitably be at the top.

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

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And through our cruelty
They will know who we are

Farm Frenzy posted:

i think pretty much all the 3d GTA games, especially 4 and 5, are pretty postmodern - you run around a weird recreated pastiche city, listening to parody ads and getting embroiled in plotlines that are just stolen from gangster movies, only with the stakes removed or constantly subverted because it's a videogame

Does it break the 4th wall? Sadly, I haven't played much GTA. I was the designated trip sitter for a bunch of guys in college who liked to drop acid and play GTA:VC, so I've pretty much seen a few dozen really bizarre LPs of it, if that counts.

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

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And through our cruelty
They will know who we are

TheGreatEvilKing posted:

We still don't know why the alpaca was so evil.

We still don't know why the alpaca.

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

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And through our cruelty
They will know who we are

iospace posted:

Lemonade, duh

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

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And through our cruelty
They will know who we are

Combat Lobster posted:

So I had about two hours of footage of two bros. ready to edit for a couple of bonus videos, but after starting the second video I realized I don't have the willpower to work on them any further so here's some of the highlights from those two hours:

The very first thing that stands out to me is the VERY LOUD background music. For real this poo poo is practically clipping, and I had my volume at around 40 which for most games barely go over -12db at that setting Also there is no setting in the options to fix this:

I...what? :psyboom:

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Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

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Kobold eBooks posted:

Not to be reductive, but Two Brothers looks stupid as hell.

Am I right in thinking it's basically Welcome to Pleasantville: The Movie: The Game?

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