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 Dis be a thread fer art films discussion that don't deserve their own threads. K, what is an art film? Gif up there's from An Andalusian Dog, one of the early examples of an art film. Folks from all over and all when have their own personal definitions of what an art film is. They're kinda like pornos, you know em when you see em. For the sake of limiting the scope of this thread, I'm defining art films as movies that are concerned with imagemaking over narrative. The goal of regular movies is to tell immersive stories for straightforwards entertainment. The goal of video art is to get into galleries. Art films, on the other hand, just faff about with cinematic image-making as its foremost concern. The entertainment value comes from kinda seeing where they are going with that thing they just did. Art films are not necessarily experimental or avant guarde, and some may have things that non-cinejunkies expect out of movies like characters, or things happening. Some films are obviously not art films but can be enjoyed as art films (and possibly only as such). oh and if its just obnoxious in some way (like Out 1 being 13 hours long) that's also probably fodder for this thread. what's a good art film to watch? A Field in England's pretty good, its got wizards in it. if you don't have prime but do have a library card The Adventure is free on american kanopy (lots of art movies on kanopy). That's a nice glacier of a movie. if you can get through that you'll be sitting through Inauguration of the Pleasure Dome in no time.  why are so many of these in black and white? its cheaper 
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so i made this thread to talk about climax the new noe joint.  I think it's kinda starting to form a sequel with Love 3D in what im calling the "yr old buddy noe's spotify playlist" trilogy (if there's a third i'll grumble but i'll go). Maggot Brain couldn't carry the brick of cheese that was Love but there's more stuff to see in this one so it was entertaining. The film is almost completely propped up by the soundtrack, which remains high nrg thru-out. lots of good dancing, competently shot. it was a little to improvisational for my tastes but i like the focus of the windowlicker sequence. Every time a title card came up i wanted noe to shut up tho.
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Mar 1, 2019 08:38
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atrus50 posted:so i made this thread to talk about climax the new noe joint. I liked Enter the void quite a bit even though I’ll likely never watch it again — is Climax as good?
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Mar 1, 2019 17:33
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Ubiquitous_ posted:I liked Enter the void quite a bit even though I’ll likely never watch it again — is Climax as good?
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Mar 1, 2019 18:33
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drat. I finished watching EtV just now after starting it last night. I wanted a film I would fall asleep to and it ended up mesmerizing me so much I was riveted, and then I noticed the fucker is like two and a half hours long and I have to be up for work in a few hours, so I picked a spot halfway through and "paused" it. Turns out this was the best way for me to handle a film like that; had I watched it all in one go I'd have probably become exasperated by the end, with it being so dreamy and long, and a few reviews I've read of people expressing exactly that emotion serve to confirm that I'm probably right there. Splitting it into two viewing sessions kept it fresh and wow that ending. So I immediately want to watch the next thing this guy made, and am slightly gutted to find that the first opinion I find about it is atrus50 posted:It is absolutely not as good imo. However I wanna say it's worth seeing for Noe's virtuoso camera operating alone, and its definitely less grueling than enter the void. It's def not as big of a time commitment - but this poo poo is so utterly subjective that one opinion is just that. I've poured myself a
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Mar 1, 2019 19:32
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Godard's new film The Image Book sounds promising, i might get to see it in a week or 2
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Mar 3, 2019 19:51
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A major aspect of "art film" is the low cost and fast production schedules. For example, The Seventh Seal was produced for only $150,000 USD in 1957 shot over six weeks. For comparison, 12 Angry Men, a film that's almost entirely in one set with even less actors cost $340,000.
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Mar 3, 2019 20:38
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Egbert Souse posted:A major aspect of "art film" is the low cost and fast production schedules. For example, The Seventh Seal was produced for only $150,000 USD in 1957 shot over six weeks. For comparison, 12 Angry Men, a film that's almost entirely in one set with even less actors cost $340,000. one of these movies was produced and starred a major hollywood actor. I havent seeen 7th seal in a hot second so im not going to comment on it, but 12 angry men is not an art film because it is focused first and foremost on the dramatic elements. also they got done with 12 angry men in less than a month, bankrolled by said hollywood star to be a personal vehicle. meanwhile sometimes a filmmaker will manage to get ahold of a lot of money to make something very art-filmy like Miami Vice which is more concerned with speedboats and john hawkes staring at hurricane flags than the nominal plot. movie talk: Watched chunking express again and realized that I don''t care much for anthology pictures. I think the second half makes a nice pair tonally with the first half but they don't really need to be seen together in one sitting. 
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Mar 4, 2019 08:50
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Just saw A Girl Walks Home alone at Night and that prob fits, it takes a right turn at conventional plots, pretty cool
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Mar 4, 2019 09:02
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Cactus posted:drat. Enter the Void is, absolutely, one of the most incredible films I'll never watch again. Seeing it in theaters was mesmerizing, even if the meandering bits started to drag. I'll be seeing Climax next weekend, unless the release date for my area gets pushed back again.
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Mar 5, 2019 21:37
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atrus50 posted:one of these movies was produced and starred a major hollywood actor. I havent seeen 7th seal in a hot second so im not going to comment on it, but 12 angry men is not an art film because it is focused first and foremost on the dramatic elements. also they got done with 12 angry men in less than a month, bankrolled by said hollywood star to be a personal vehicle. I didn't mean it as anything toward 12 Angry Men, just the fact that Bergman made a period film that looks amazing in every way for such a low amount of money and using mostly citybound locations. $350,000 for a 50s "chamber drama" wasn't that out of line, either. But it's sort of like finding out David Lynch made Eraserhead for only $10,000 and it bits and pieces over several years when the poverty of the production doesn't show up one bit. It does show that just having excellent lighting and camera work makes more difference than anything else. And I think a lot of arthouse films work on that principle because good lighting doesn't cost any more than bad lighting.
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Mar 5, 2019 21:57
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Ubiquitous_ posted:Enter the Void is, absolutely, one of the most incredible films I'll never watch again. Seeing it in theaters was mesmerizing, even if the meandering bits started to drag. I'll be seeing Climax next weekend, unless the release date for my area gets pushed back again. Drafthouse did a 35mm screening in Austin that I was able to see. I'm glad I got to see it in theaters finally but I maybe had the same conclusion about it dragging. The thing that really started to get on my nerves by the end was extended shots flying through buildings in Tokyo between scenes two hours into the film, long after the awe of the effect had worn off. At least Irreversible had the mercy to keep its transitions relatively quick. I found Climax to be a lot more fun (and funny) than any other Noe film (just about every bad thing that happens almost played as a gag/dark comedy for me). Very, very thin plot that I wish he had taken a lot further (apparently the script for it was only 5 pages long). Easily the most rewatchable/entertaining thing he's done though. warez fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Mar 6, 2019 |
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Mar 5, 2019 23:30
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I loved Climax too; it was far more accessible and less, dare I say, pointless than Enter The Void. I however tried streaming Love a year ago, and turned it off after 20 minutes. The whole thing was just insufferable. Does it get better?
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Mar 6, 2019 04:53
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Not really, though near the end there’s a really incredible sex club scene, set to an unexpected classic movie theme and with beautifully trippy lighting, that is the sort of thing only Noe could create.
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Mar 6, 2019 07:17
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So I finally caught first reformed and i loved the first half. second half got kinda predictable for paul schrader, and didn't earn much of its hysterics. constantly felt like he was quoting europeans with those closeups but what can you do he's from that generation (and apparently can't write women?) I liked stuff like this  and really was turned off by this crap  I enjoyed the opening credits a lot. they were my favorite part of the movie. Gave a good old time-y feel and had a humor to them that loving evaporated once the movie started
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Mar 13, 2019 09:21
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atrus50 posted:
You hosed up by not watching Fallen Angels immediately after. 
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Mar 13, 2019 13:20
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Just got out of Climax. I definitely appreciated that Noe let himself be edited so that just when a sequence is going on for too long, he transitions. The fact that the main setting of the film is shot in one long take reminds me of Birdman with more audacious and experimental camerawork. Sofia oversold her LSD trip a littttle much, but everyone else nailed it. The film made me uncomfortable in the way Enter the Void did, but with much less meandering and dead space.
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Mar 17, 2019 23:28
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I watched a movie called Amer the other night, and really enjoyed it. It's about the revulsion and horror a young girl feels at her own sexual maturity, and it uses the visual language of 70's giallo movies to create this pervasive atmosphere of erotic dread. Largely dialogue free and gorgeously shot. Really highly recommended, especially if you liked Let The Corpses Tan (same directors).
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Apr 3, 2019 16:11
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Black Lighter posted:I watched a movie called Amer the other night, and really enjoyed it. It's about the revulsion and horror a young girl feels at her own sexual maturity, and it uses the visual language of 70's giallo movies to create this pervasive atmosphere of erotic dread. Largely dialogue free and gorgeously shot. Really highly recommended, especially if you liked Let The Corpses Tan (same directors). Saw that at SXSW years back when it premiered, the filmmakers were really cool. I bought them a drink and tried to convince them to let me have their badges so i could sneak into afterparties (i was seeing movies on one of the towner passes) as they were flying out in the morning. They were cool with helping me sneak into stuff but wisely kept their badges away from some rando. Glad they are having success and wide a24 distro these days.
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Apr 3, 2019 18:15
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atrus50 posted:So I finally caught first reformed and i loved the first half. second half got kinda predictable for paul schrader, and didn't earn much of its hysterics. constantly felt like he was quoting europeans with those closeups but what can you do he's from that generation (and apparently can't write women?) Have you seen Bergman's Winter Light? It's where First Reformed takes its inspiration. It's not quite a remake, but it sounds like it'd be basically what you wanted.
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Apr 20, 2019 14:48
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Kangra posted:Have you seen Bergman's Winter Light? It's where First Reformed takes its inspiration. It's not quite a remake, but it sounds like it'd be basically what you wanted. Ive only seen a couple bergmans, that's probably what I was thinking of. Every summer this movie theatre in downtown austin screens a few. Saw a film that is apparently doomed to never get a hd release in america due to music clearance issues: Survive Style 5+, which is a formalist attempt to stack 5-ish Japanese advertising campaigns on top of each other in a trench coat and try to pass itself off as a heartwarming chrismas movie. The film (and it would just never work at all if shot on clean digital) is a large candy lollipop that ends 20 minutes after you're basically done with it. It's so saccharine that it's almost assuredly trying to say something about the position of kitsch in Japanese mass culture, or at least how people can tactically make use of the soulless narratives of advertising to process life's myriad traumas. One of the 5 "storylines" is just the same gay joke over and over again is thus questionably purposefully grating. production design was pretty incredible tho.   
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