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Will You Miss Indie Wrestling?
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karmicknight
Aug 21, 2011

Lamuella posted:

Mance Warner has that to some degree. I think Matthew Justice would have it if he didn't have a soul-deep stoner vibe. I think people who have it these days often have it tempered with a bit of humour.

(sidebar, does anyone else have difficulty telling Josh Briggs, Matthew Justice, and Jake Something apart?)

No because Matthew Justice is the one that hates his own brain more than anything else in the world.

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Huntman
Apr 22, 2010


Also I could recognize Josh Briggs' hairline from space

Lamuella
Jun 26, 2003

It's like goldy or bronzy, but made of iron.


karmicknight posted:

No because Matthew Justice is the one that hates his own brain more than anything else in the world.

The documentary of him going to Zona 23 is amazing for this. At the outbreak of a pandemic he goes to Mexico City to eat crickets and get powerbombed onto trucks hard enough to break the windshields.

History Comes Inside!
Nov 20, 2004




His CTE 'gimmick' is off putting enough for me to just not want to see him on shows anymore tbh.

It's like the anti-vax movement of wrestling.

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS

He toned it down for the quarantine shows and went more "your dipshit high energy friend" with his gimmick.

Pinche Rudo
Feb 8, 2005

Santino brothers wrestling closed. Hopefully they can re start in a new location when California opens up gyms (the governor didn't give a strict time table but it looks like 2-4 months).

If it's permanently gone, it's a huge blow to the west coast indie scene. They're one of, if not the best school on the west coast. Jake Atlas, Brody King, Jungle Boy, and a ton of other wrestlers on the indie scene

https://twitter.com/SantinoBros/status/1255330342724087809?s=19

Ganso Bomb
Oct 24, 2005

turn it all around

Pinche Rudo posted:

Santino brothers wrestling closed. Hopefully they can re start in a new location when California opens up gyms (the governor didn't give a strict time table but it looks like 2-4 months).

If it's permanently gone, it's a huge blow to the west coast indie scene. They're one of, if not the best school on the west coast. Jake Atlas, Brody King, Jungle Boy, and a ton of other wrestlers on the indie scene

https://twitter.com/SantinoBros/status/1255330342724087809?s=19

gently caress, that's a bummer. They also had some really good training videos on YouTube going over how to do basic moves and poo poo.

Edit: ah, looks like they might just be moving after all based on this response:

https://twitter.com/SantinoBros/status/1255377677701308416

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS

Meltdown May off to an early start with

Erick Stevens defending his right to say the N word in song lyrics

AJ Gray swearing to never be horny again

Deathlove
Feb 20, 2003

Pillbug

coconono posted:

Meltdown May off to an early start with

Erick Stevens defending his right to say the N word in song lyrics

Florida man remains undefeated.

*Me, twenty hours earlier* that Black Label Pro Through Being Cool shirt is a terrible intersection of two things I enjoy. I must have it.

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS

I blame pop punk for all of indie wrestling's woes and triumphs.

Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

Earth-1145 is truly the best!
A world of singing, magic frogs,
high adventure, no shitposters

Deathlove posted:

*Me, twenty hours earlier* that Black Label Pro Through Being Cool shirt is a terrible intersection of two things I enjoy. I must have it.
I assumed this was going to be Devo related and am disappointed.

At least Inoki stole their entrance that one time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_HH_jher3c

KungFu Grip
Jun 18, 2008

coconono posted:

Meltdown May off to an early start with

Erick Stevens defending his right to say the N word in song lyrics


Kind of speaks a lot that the creep who dug up Stevens tweeting song lyrics is someone that associates with a huge bigot like Fraymovement, so its some performative wokeness to out stevens tweeting lyrics since he hates cornette

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS

KungFu Grip posted:

Kind of speaks a lot that the creep who dug up Stevens tweeting song lyrics is someone that associates with a huge bigot like Fraymovement, so its some performative wokeness to out stevens tweeting lyrics since he hates cornette

I get that part. The whole thing was a setup to make Erick look bad. It was gross. But at the same time, maybe go clean up your TL occasionally. How is Chuck Taylor the smartest social media in wrestling?

Draxion
Jun 9, 2013




coconono posted:

I get that part. The whole thing was a setup to make Erick look bad. It was gross. But at the same time, maybe go clean up your TL occasionally. How is Chuck Taylor the smartest social media in wrestling?

nobody else went to college for seven years to get a BA in film production

also he's the only wrestler around who gets embarrassed

Big Bidness
Aug 2, 2004

coconono posted:

I get that part. The whole thing was a setup to make Erick look bad. It was gross. But at the same time, maybe go clean up your TL occasionally. How is Chuck Taylor the smartest social media in wrestling?

It’s weird that he’s so smart about deleting Twitter, but those Gentlemen’s Club episodes are still up, just waiting for people to get whipped into a frenzy.

Dangerous Person
Apr 4, 2011

Not dead yet
Please let him keep the one where he and Orange Cassidy get high and beat up wrestling school trainees

karmicknight
Aug 21, 2011

Dangerous Person posted:

Please let him keep the one where he and Orange Cassidy get high and beat up wrestling school trainees

that one is probably my favorite, I agree.

KungFu Grip
Jun 18, 2008
Speaking of Chuck Taylor, I believe IWTV is airing King of Trios 2011 tonight, which is one of their better tournaments and overall shows

boxcarhobo
Jun 23, 2005

2011 tozawa with bleach blonde hair and bleach blonde giant soul patch/chin beard is a hell of a look


i know fire ant is orange cassidy, but green ant is tracy williams and soldier ant is drew gu right?

boxcarhobo fucked around with this message at 02:27 on May 3, 2020

Super No Vacancy
Jul 26, 2012

ya

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS

did I miss some Joey Ryan drama or something

Amp
Sep 10, 2010

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coconono posted:

did I miss some Joey Ryan drama or something

The only recent Joey Ryan "drama" is him calling Vader unsafe and people getting Mad Online about it, which is entirely Ryan Satin's fault for being a dipshit.

https://twitter.com/JoeyRyanOnline/status/1254926457412874240

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS

Joey all those punches were worked, what the hell man

davidbix
Jun 14, 2016

Wow, Bix. First K.Rool, then Steve and now SEPHIROTH? Your dream game is real!
It gets better:
https://twitter.com/McneanyTim/status/1255121607397453825
And Eddie Edwards confirmed that the account is legit.

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS

So have people been hitting Joey for real this entire time?

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
It's not like Vader didn't gently caress up some jobbers, Joey just picked the wrong clip.

https://twitter.com/IWAMidSouth/status/1257327100945666052

But good news everybody!

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS

I said on Twitter Ian won’t stop until he kills a fan but I’m not sure that would stop him either.

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



Geez, at least one local indy (MCW) has said they won't start running shows again until September. Not sure what Prime Time Pro is doing, but I know they and Flying V have canceled at least through June.

Vellius
Sep 22, 2007

coconono posted:

I said on Twitter Ian won’t stop until he kills a fan but I’m not sure that would stop him either.

guessing those taco bell checks are looking light, these days.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

GIT R DONNE

Dangerous Person posted:

Please let him keep the one where he and Orange Cassidy get high and beat up wrestling school trainees

His R-rated Chikara interviews are amazing, especially the one where he cameos as Cocaine Ant.

syzpid
Aug 9, 2014

Dangerous Person posted:

Please let him keep the one where he and Orange Cassidy get high and beat up wrestling school trainees

I just re-watched this, and it looks like one of the trainees is Stokely Hathaway???

Draxion
Jun 9, 2013




sure is

https://twitter.com/Malcolmvelli/status/1257354909273423873

Dangerous Person
Apr 4, 2011

Not dead yet
Stokely acquiring the rights to Chuck Taylor's name is one of the best storylines in wrestling history

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012


OutSports posted about five sexual assault, harassment, and manipulation allegations against Rick Cataldo, co-founder of LGBTQ+ indie A Matter Of Pride https://www.outsports.com/2020/5/7/21052191/matter-of-pride-co-founder-rick-cataldo-sexual-assault-wrestling-ryan-z-allie-cat

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS

Rick Cataldo always struck me as kinda skeevy but people vetted him until they went silent about him. That's when you know the indie scene's blackballed someone. When they stop showing up in group photos or being "that guy sitting on a couch" in random promo vids.

Cory Lidle
Oct 12, 2006

Endless Mike posted:

Geez, at least one local indy (MCW) has said they won't start running shows again until September. Not sure what Prime Time Pro is doing, but I know they and Flying V have canceled at least through June.
Prime Time doesn't seem to be entertaining the idea whatsoever for the time being.

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS

So I'm putting together info on Women's Extreme Wrestling because its one of those trashy indie things people tend to gloss over or would rather forget. For better or for worse, names like GI Ho and Nav-A-Ho will forever be emblazoned in my mind. I've got a bunch of files with wonderful names like Bloody Booty and Big Pimping Booty Kicks Butt that I'm trying to line up with the cards cagematch has listed.

There's a bit where Francine(yes ECW's Francine) comes out drunk and smoking a cigarette. She insults the crowd like a drunken housewife. Its pretty wild stuff. They have old ECW set pieces withe the WEW logo plastered over them. You can tell this promotion only existed to fill the tape pipeline that ECW had going.

They put Sumie Sakai in a schoolgirl outfit. Despite the grossly racist nature, I felt it was an improvement?

Mercedes Martinez vs Cindy Rogers happened and it was the damndest match. The crowd was pretty fuckin hostile but when the wrestling kicked in, they got into it.

Trying to find bios on the various performers, which is fun. I know that Pussy Willow is a regular on the Nashville Burlesque circuit. Eric Gargiulo is the perfect voice of the incels. Tho sometimes I can't tell if he's in on the self owns or not. Many of the women are graduates of the kind of wrestling style April Hunter and Annie Social are real good at: cat fights. Kristy Kiss vs Tara Titanium(not to be confused with another performer called Tara) had a really trashy cat fight with all the plunder you'd expect from an ECW ripoff. Its a loving sight.

There's US PPV grade(NO VULVAS ALLOWED) girl girl porn scenes. One features the Pussy World Order doing an orgy limo scene and at the last minute a dog appears on a lady's hip. This poor dog had been sitting through awkward exchanges of saliva very patiently. So far only one of the DVDs seems to be in a match porn match format. Obviously not as successful as they'd thought.

Another weird thing is about 6-7 of the DVDs are just Women's Superstars Uncensored matches from after the CZW buyout. But its all WEW graphics. Some real bangers in there tho.

davidbix
Jun 14, 2016

Wow, Bix. First K.Rool, then Steve and now SEPHIROTH? Your dream game is real!
That a straight-up shindie wrestler like Rick Cataldo had all this silence around him when he was molesting people all the time and had a lot of people who didn't like him in general all is just...odd. It's also a strong statement about the shame that people feel after being abused and how it keeps them from coming forward. Rick loving Cataldo was not someone who would be dishing out any major reprisals; he was a very meh wrestler who ran some shows and almost never travelled for bookings more than 90 minutes from where he lived.

Thankfully, there are MUCH better people running inclusive and LGBTQ showcase promotions, including in his backyard, where we have Battle Club Pro (inclusive) and Uncanny Attractions/Drag and Dropkicks (outright LGBTQ-themed/showcase shows); plus Billy Dixon had Paris Is Bumping booked until the pandemic hit.

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS

For the longest time it was easy to ether someone in wrestling. Pre-social media there was no real avenue to build the kind of “safety net” social media allows where you can openly talk about stuff that would affect your status.

It’s still not perfect tho. We tend to see ‘complainers’ debooked quite a bit.

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Jubs
Jul 11, 2006

Boy, I think it's about time I tell you the difference between a man and a woman. A woman isn't a woman unless she's pretty. And a man isn't a man unless he's ugly.

coconono posted:

So I'm putting together info on Women's Extreme Wrestling because its one of those trashy indie things people tend to gloss over or would rather forget. For better or for worse, names like GI Ho and Nav-A-Ho will forever be emblazoned in my mind. I've got a bunch of files with wonderful names like Bloody Booty and Big Pimping Booty Kicks Butt that I'm trying to line up with the cards cagematch has listed.

There's a bit where Francine(yes ECW's Francine) comes out drunk and smoking a cigarette. She insults the crowd like a drunken housewife. Its pretty wild stuff. They have old ECW set pieces withe the WEW logo plastered over them. You can tell this promotion only existed to fill the tape pipeline that ECW had going.

They put Sumie Sakai in a schoolgirl outfit. Despite the grossly racist nature, I felt it was an improvement?

Mercedes Martinez vs Cindy Rogers happened and it was the damndest match. The crowd was pretty fuckin hostile but when the wrestling kicked in, they got into it.

Trying to find bios on the various performers, which is fun. I know that Pussy Willow is a regular on the Nashville Burlesque circuit. Eric Gargiulo is the perfect voice of the incels. Tho sometimes I can't tell if he's in on the self owns or not. Many of the women are graduates of the kind of wrestling style April Hunter and Annie Social are real good at: cat fights. Kristy Kiss vs Tara Titanium(not to be confused with another performer called Tara) had a really trashy cat fight with all the plunder you'd expect from an ECW ripoff. Its a loving sight.

There's US PPV grade(NO VULVAS ALLOWED) girl girl porn scenes. One features the Pussy World Order doing an orgy limo scene and at the last minute a dog appears on a lady's hip. This poor dog had been sitting through awkward exchanges of saliva very patiently. So far only one of the DVDs seems to be in a match porn match format. Obviously not as successful as they'd thought.

Another weird thing is about 6-7 of the DVDs are just Women's Superstars Uncensored matches from after the CZW buyout. But its all WEW graphics. Some real bangers in there tho.

You've left out so much stuff. I skimmed through some shows on YouTube looking for Botchamania clips and witnessed: Austin and Rock rip-offs, Howard Stern whack packers, morbidly obese hillbillies, someone powerbombed onto a flaming table that didn't break.

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