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Deptfordx
Dec 23, 2013

feedmegin posted:

I mean, pikes went out of fashion at the end of the 17th century or so, so only 200 years earlier! :shobon:

Just think of the later period having very small pikes and considerably more shot.

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90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

Pirate Radar posted:

There’s one thing I see that ALB didn’t have...
[add to wishlist]

Pharnakes
Aug 14, 2009

Panzeh posted:

I haven't played enough to really tell but it wasn't smart from what i've seen. But then singleplayer is the least interesting part of wargame.

But singleplayer is the only part of this game at the moment isn't it?

I've only seen one video from a couple months back but the AI was doing things like lining up tanks in a perfect row just outside a forest then just siting there for 20 minutes as the guy snuck infantry behind them, or just randomly parking a lone AA unit in the middle of a field somewhere, just totally and completely unresponsive to anything he was doing.

Saros
Dec 29, 2009

Its almost like we're a Bureaucracy, in space!

I set sail for the Planet of Lab Requisitions!!

Whoa War in the East/West are 70% off on steam for the summer sale.

SerthVarnee
Mar 13, 2011

It has been two zero days since last incident.
Big Super Slapstick Hunk

Pirate Radar posted:

There’s one thing I see that ALB didn’t have...
The first russian campaign had you throw a tactical nuke on Århus (Jutland) to soften the forces there up a bit.

It was less than spectacular, but it was there.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Fanatical has a Slitherine bundle for 20 for $20.

https://www.fanatical.com/en/bundle/slitherine-20-th-anniversary-bundle

Nobody is going to want all 20, but you might find a few that are worth it. Starhammer is the precursor to the the Battlestar Galactica space combat game.

Squiggle
Sep 29, 2002

I don't think she likes the special sauce, Rick.


Do the JTS nerds have any suggestions when it comes to the Civil War campaigns? I'd like to pick one up, and I'm from Missouri so the Ozark Campaign appeals, but if one of them is a better choice for relative-beginners I'm definitely open to changing my mind.

mllaneza posted:

Fanatical has a Slitherine bundle for 20 for $20.

https://www.fanatical.com/en/bundle/slitherine-20-th-anniversary-bundle

Nobody is going to want all 20, but you might find a few that are worth it. Starhammer is the precursor to the the Battlestar Galactica space combat game.

Daaaamn. WH40K Armageddon and Sanctus Reach are great, Battle Academy 1+2 are great, Quadriga is one of my favorite Slitherine games period, Pike and Shot is good, and I really liked Vietnam 65. That's a good bundle.

Squiggle fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Jul 2, 2020

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea

Squiggle posted:

Daaaamn. WH40K Armageddon and Sanctus Reach are great, Battle Academy 1+2 are great, Quadriga is one of my favorite Slitherine games period, Pike and Shot is good, and I really liked Vietnam 65. That's a good bundle.

The thing I'm most interested in in there - Pike and Shot - is listed as having a value of £30.

It's currently £7.19 on Steam.

Carbolic
Apr 19, 2007

This song is about how America chews the working man up and spits him in the dirt to die
DC:B is fun so far although a lot of work to play a turn.

I just lost about 1/3 of a turn's progress discovering a super awesome bug, if you click on the Diary while you are watching the last turn's history, you can't escape the history screen (or save your game or do anything).

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

Cold Wargame got pulled from Steam over ripped assets accusations lmao

Popete
Oct 6, 2009

This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs

Grimey Drawer

Dandywalken posted:

Cold Wargame got pulled from Steam over ripped assets accusations lmao

lol I was wondering why I couldn't find it.

I found some game footage, wow that is a direct rip off of Wargame.

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

Dandywalken posted:

Cold Wargame got pulled from Steam over ripped assets accusations lmao

drat

Pharnakes
Aug 14, 2009
Doesn’t much surprise me, but oh well.

If they manage to come back I’m interested in their damage model at least, if it really is making almost tank sim level of detail calculations for hits and damage that’s really quite impressive.

Hippocrass
Aug 18, 2015

That third panel of the first comic just makes it. It's still funny if you remove it, but that panel included just makes it top tier.

Squiggle posted:

Do the JTS nerds have any suggestions when it comes to the Civil War campaigns? I'd like to pick one up, and I'm from Missouri so the Ozark Campaign appeals, but if one of them is a better choice for relative-beginners I'm definitely open to changing my mind.


I have little experience with the civil war games, but generally speaking, the games tend to be of high quality in terms of detail, just be aware that the AI isn't great. As a general rule, decide which aspect of the war, be it a specific faze, theatre or battle, interests you, and you generally can't go wrong. The product page on the JTS site, not the store page because they have to be difficult, generally goes into detail about what is actually covered in the specific title. They do try to be as detailed as possible for each battle, so there isn't really a traditional 'difficulty curve'. Most battles will have the historical setup, and then a handful of variants which change up the balance. There really isn't a title that's better for beginners or anything, you just have to dive in.

In terms of finding opponents, I know at least Gradenko has some of the Civil War titles. I'm more partial to the 7 years war - Napoleonic war stuff, but am not adverse to Civil War. Outside SA, the Facebook page linked from the
Resources and FAQ page on the JTS site is quite good. It's basically the official JTS forum. Several designers frequently post, so if you have specific questions, you can often get answers straight from the people who made the games.

Otherwise, the AI isn't terrible, it just isn't great, but it generally is functional as long as the scenario isn't too large or complex. The scenario description will usually tell you if it is suitable for solo play and from which side.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Squiggle posted:

Do the JTS nerds have any suggestions when it comes to the Civil War campaigns? I'd like to pick one up, and I'm from Missouri so the Ozark Campaign appeals, but if one of them is a better choice for relative-beginners I'm definitely open to changing my mind.

pretty much all of the games have a "Getting Started" scenario that's small enough to just let you get a feel for how the game works, as well as just small-in-general battles so that you don't have to play 100+ turn monsters until you really want to

I only have Antietam and the Peninsula Campaign, but my impression is that the system is flexible enough that you could go for whichever particular slice of the war suits your fancy, though obviously the campaigns out west are going to have relatively smaller forces

I'm gonna plug my abortive LP (we did get quite a bit far into the game!) if you want to have a detailed look at how it plays and is played: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3874588

remember, your most powerful weapon is artillery, and a lot of the game comes down to using the LOS view to make sure your guns are sited well

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

It it just me or is there an enormous difficulty spike in UoC2 right after you finish the initial set of Normandy missions? I've gone from easily clearing every objective without even really thinking about it to 'oh poo poo I'm on a timer and I have to pick and choose which bonus objectives I'm going for'. I have no idea how you are supposed to do Op Dragoon on time.

distortion park
Apr 25, 2011


I actually found the dday mission one of the hardest ones for some reason. If you do today the first couple of turns right it can be really hard to recover

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea
I found the "motor pool" HQ upgrade handy for helping my infantry go fast, and engineers particularly useful for river and town blockades - you can't usefully bypass a town because all the supply goes through the main roads, which go through the town, so it's good to specialise some divisions specifically for city and river assault, with engineer and commando-type infantry attachments.

I think I found the mission directly after D-Day the hardest - Battle of the Bocage, I think it was. The Germans had about ten brick-hard tank divisions they threw at me, and it took a fair few turns before a combination of attrition and air power were able to whittle them down.

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord
I picked up JTS' Gettysburg game since it has like 300+ scenarios, which seems like a great value for $29.95! I'm having fun with it so far, even if I'm just doing the little skirmishes so far. I might pick up Antietam or Overland if I'm feeling wild later.

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

re UoC2: Dragoon is tough because you've got very limited forces for what you're asked to achieve, and there's really no room to waste even a single hex's worth of movement if you want to get all the bonus objectives. It also has the worst first turn of any scenario in the game. There's a specific location and order you need to land each of your divisions that will let you deploy the majority of your troops on turn one (importantly, getting both armoured divisions on the ground and as far forward as possible); if you don't follow that order you're probably not going to get a clean sweep.

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea
Yeah, the beach-queuing was probably my biggest peeve with Unity of Command 2.

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

Trip report: oh yeah I don't see how you are supposed to win the Arnhem scenario (I'm sure when I youtube it it'll seem obvious).

nessin
Feb 7, 2010
I still can't get into UoC2. It feels like it's trying hard not to be as much of a puzzle game as the first but it's still built that way from the ground up so I feel like I should have more freedom while playing it but then get frustrated that it actually boils down to finding that one right solution.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
On this bundle:

https://www.fanatical.com/en/bundle/slitherine-20-th-anniversary-bundle

I already have battle of the bulge, armageddon and sanctus reach.

Are the remaining games worth it?

mmtt
May 8, 2009
UoC2 has an UI I can understand for a grog game and once mechanics got explained to me by watching some dude let's play instead of having a proper tutorial, I had great fun playing the alternate history campaign. Mostly, the game's about stacking as much overpowered steps as possible on your elite persistent units and hoping the next scenario doesn't lock you with new green army. I'm looking at you Overlord.

distortion park
Apr 25, 2011


mmtt posted:

UoC2 has an UI I can understand for a grog game and once mechanics got explained to me by watching some dude let's play instead of having a proper tutorial, I had great fun playing the alternate history campaign. Mostly, the game's about stacking as much overpowered steps as possible on your elite persistent units and hoping the next scenario doesn't lock you with new green army. I'm looking at you Overlord.

Hobart's Funnies has to be the most busted specialist step, it's just so powerful

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


Alchenar posted:

Trip report: oh yeah I don't see how you are supposed to win the Arnhem scenario (I'm sure when I youtube it it'll seem obvious).

Sounds about right for Arnhem.

sgbyou
Feb 3, 2005

I'm just a shadow in the light you leave behind.

Mans posted:

On this bundle:

https://www.fanatical.com/en/bundle/slitherine-20-th-anniversary-bundle

I already have battle of the bulge, armageddon and sanctus reach.

Are the remaining games worth it?

Qvadriga, Pike and Shot and Advanced Tactics are good.

distortion park
Apr 25, 2011


nessin posted:

I still can't get into UoC2. It feels like it's trying hard not to be as much of a puzzle game as the first but it's still built that way from the ground up so I feel like I should have more freedom while playing it but then get frustrated that it actually boils down to finding that one right solution.

outside of a couple of scenarios (the beach landings as others have said are particular offenders), I don't think that's really the case unless you're going for a flawless victory.

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

pointsofdata posted:

outside of a couple of scenarios (the beach landings as others have said are particular offenders), I don't think that's really the case unless you're going for a flawless victory.

Well yeah but that's the whole point. The scenarios are constructed backwards from a very specific solution for a flawless victory and then a 'win' is several sets removed from that.

e: having said that, I think that once I've had a break from finishing this campaign I will go back and play UoC2 again, whereas with the first one I was finished and done.

Alchenar fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Jul 3, 2020

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

sgbyou posted:

Qvadriga, Pike and Shot and Advanced Tactics are good.
Thanks, i'll check them out!

Revolution under siege and Battle academy also seem tentatively good, Legions of Steel's trailer made me laugh due to how terrible it is, the rest seem like paradox clones in general.

Deptfordx
Dec 23, 2013

I thought the Battle Academy games were both excellent.

I went and picked up some of the DLC for the first one in the Steam Sale and noticed that it (which is focused on the West, the sequel covers the Eastern Front) is just over £1 for the base game at the moment if someone just wants to try it.

Deptfordx fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Jul 3, 2020

AARP LARPer
Feb 19, 2005

THE DARK SIDE OF SCIENCE BREEDS A WEAPON OF WAR

Buglord
The Battle Academy games are great and they come with tons of content.

cool new Metroid game
Oct 7, 2009

hail satan

Mokotow posted:

Are there any interesting Grog games focusing on the 1870-71 Franco-Prussian bruhaha?

It doesn't focus on the Franco-Prussian War but Wargame Construction Set 3 Age of Rifles has a few scenarios from the war and also other scenarios covering all sorts of things from the mid 19th century to pre WW1. Plus there's a big pack of fan made scenarios that add a ton more. Really wish there was a modern version of that game.

Fuligin
Oct 27, 2010

wait what the fuck??

Alchenar posted:

Well yeah but that's the whole point. The scenarios are constructed backwards from a very specific solution for a flawless victory and then a 'win' is several sets removed from that.


I don't really think that's the case, except for maybe like Market Garden. There's just too much variability between HQ and unit upgrades and cards

everydayfalls
Aug 23, 2016
Here’s a couple of pointers for UoC2 after getting through to operation unthinkable

1) don’t worry about a unit or two being out of supply for a turn or two. Use the hq ability to provide them with supply and keep the spearhead going

2) look for opportunities to capture enemy supply, it will resupply near by units

3) surround hard points and starve them out, it is almost never worth the cost in steps to remove a unit from a city

4) if you capture the hex a unit spawns in it can’t be played. A tank with a recon step can trivialize certain missions.

5) using a truck card on an hq with a motorized command, motorizes every infantry unit in an army. For the whole mission

Finally don’t be afraid to restart a mission, the penalty is pretty small in the grand scheme of things.

Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

Mans posted:

Thanks, i'll check them out!

Revolution under siege and Battle academy also seem tentatively good, Legions of Steel's trailer made me laugh due to how terrible it is, the rest seem like paradox clones in general.

I personally love Pike and Shot, I prefer playing against humans, but the AI is also fairly challenging. If I make a misstep I can count on the AI to ruthlessly exploit it.

Revolution Under Siege is IMO the best AGEOD game, for whatever reason I find it very manageable, and can actually play the game and have fun without butting up against the engine.

Saros
Dec 29, 2009

Its almost like we're a Bureaucracy, in space!

I set sail for the Planet of Lab Requisitions!!

Hey everyone Warsaw to Paris game is underway, if you'd like to spectate come to the discord.

https://discord.gg/nMRE2DJ

I'm also running some commentary via videoLP so the German players can all close their eyes please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39vOQQ-PEhk

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

oops!

BBJoey fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Jul 6, 2020

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Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea
One Unity of Command 2 tip I'd relate is to not spend prestige on HQ upgrades unless you're sure you'll benefit from them. Much better to see how the scenario looks and then reinforce your front-line units with engineers and artillery.

I'd also say that the missions are very much the Allies doing the attacking, so offensive-style upgrades like commandoes, engineers, and artillery are very good, while defensive ones like AT guns are situational at best.

I wouldn't bother going for flawless victories - as others have said, this makes the game closer to a puzzle with one optimal solution, and that style of game is marred by the random weather and combat rolls. Puzzle games where you have the right solution but it randomly doesn't work are Bad Rats-level.

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