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Star Man posted:I have seen exactly three Bond movies in full and all but the first fifteen to twenty minutes of Goldeneye, but they (and a lot of action movies) seem like they're all just vacations to exotic places. Ian Fleming's original books were basically travelogues for poor British men with espionage and two-fisted action layered over the top.
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Quantum of Solace feels is a movie where its not that nothing happens so much as I cant see it happen so it feels like nothing. Spectre is very confident I want to see how stupid it can get in great detail. QoS might be the least satisfying implementation of the greek elements motif I can recall in a film where its somehow all at once glaringly obvious, undercooked, and pointless.
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May 15, 2020 17:45
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This is the second time I've seen someone praise the opening chase in Quantum of Solace and I just don't get it. I mean, there are legitimate excuses for it because of the writer's strike at the time but still. It's a completely incoherent scene where half the time I can't tell if I'm seeing Bond's car of the pursuer's cars.
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May 15, 2020 17:49
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The QoS car chase is a scene that's really creative and well-scripted, shot in the worst manner possible.
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May 15, 2020 18:01
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Basebf555 posted:This is the second time I've seen someone praise the opening chase in Quantum of Solace and I just don't get it. I mean, there are legitimate excuses for it because of the writer's strike at the time but still. It's a completely incoherent scene where half the time I can't tell if I'm seeing Bond's car of the pursuer's cars. I'm pretty sure I defended it already, but I like it. The pacing is pretty frantic but I have no issues figuring out which car is chasing which. I love the transition from swelling music and establishing shots to the engines just screaming and the cut immediately into the chaos of the chase. Is it a perfect car chase? No, I've seen much better. But I've seen a hell of a lot worse. Edit: haha, we had pretty much the same discussion a year ago. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3887841&pagenumber=4&perpage=40#post497498476
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May 15, 2020 18:23
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As someone that JUST watched it, I basically had no idea what was happening. Basically, something weird would happen, like someone would shoot at a car, and then it would take the next cut for me to process what was supposed to have happened there and where it relates, and something else would happen, and repeat. It's basically a "this is how not to edit in a film" session.
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May 15, 2020 22:36
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It's been mentioned before, but originally there were three cars chasing Bond, then it was decided during editing to reduce it to two. So every shot where three cars were visible had to be removed or trimmed to the exact frame when one went out of sight. It's no wonder it's choppy. No excuse for the rest of the film being cut the same way, though.
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May 16, 2020 08:27
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Well, three cars would just be implausible. I'm glad they course corrected there.
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May 16, 2020 09:35
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Quantum of Solace had a few good action scenes, the boat chase scene with the quick-cut editing was not one of them. Bond attaches boat-hook to the Zodiac's rigging, and 2 seconds later the Zodiac is airborne...guessing the director thought it was more important to show henchmen reacting to a boat-hook than Bond doing whatever he did to make the Zodiac flip out (threw out a few lobster traps I'm guessing?). Ah well, at least it wasn't a underwater action scene involving scuba gear, I have to give Quantum of Solace credit for that. The older Bond movies were obsessed with underwater action scenes with scuba gear because A) it padded out movie running time B) Eon Productions bought 40 sets of scuba gear + wet-suits for Thunderball and god drat-it they were going to get their monies worth from that purchase and C) everyone looks the same in scuba gear/wetsuits so no need to worry about the stuntmen not looking like/being the same size as the lead actor like in normal Bond stunt scenes.
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May 17, 2020 04:34
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I loved the scuba fight as a kid, and it's probably part of the reason I dive with sharks now (that and Jaws), but it is embarrassingly bad now. Still not as bad as the space fight in Moonraker, though.
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May 17, 2020 04:39
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Honestly the scuba fight in Thunderball must have been incredible for 1960s audiences, nobody had ever seen anything like that before. How did they direct that??? It must have been insane to shoot. That said, it's now pretty slow and boring for us watching it in the 2000s.
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May 17, 2020 04:52
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The Thunderball scuba fight is actually really good about clarity and has a lot of specific setpiece moments the camera holds on. I would rewatch it.
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May 17, 2020 09:55
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Darko posted:Still not as bad as the space fight in Moonraker, though. I don't remember much about it (yay). About the only thing I remember is the end with Jaws and his girlfriend.
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chitoryu12 posted:The Thunderball scuba fight is actually really good about clarity and has a lot of specific setpiece moments the camera holds on. I would rewatch it. Its easy to follow and cleanly shot; its just so slow that its not exciting at all to watch. Probably not as bad as the sped up boat fight after, though.
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May 17, 2020 13:15
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The scuba fight is just slow because an underwater fight by definition is slow and the scene is shot for quick action rather than some other form of tension that plays into the slowness. Still competently shot and clearly visible whats happening unlike whatever in the hell happens in any given action sequence in QoS except possibly the plane one which is just kind of boring.
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May 17, 2020 13:28
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXfkjzozhsw
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Sep 3, 2020 14:58
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I've got a nagging feeling that some of the female characters are gonna get killed in some stupid way. Ana de Armas being a prime suspect. Nice to see that Lashana Lynch appears to have a decently sized role at least.
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Sep 3, 2020 16:58
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Laughing Zealot posted:I've got a nagging feeling that some of the female characters are gonna get killed in some stupid way. Ana de Armas being a prime suspect. Nice to see that Lashana Lynch appears to have a decently sized role at least. Yea the trailer makes it seem like de Armas isn't in the movie for very long. But this is Bond so it's not really a surprise that one of the women wouldn't make it through the movie.
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Sep 3, 2020 17:02
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It feels to me like they made a conscious effort not to kill off Monica Bellucci in Spectre, I'm sure the producers are aware of the trope and how people respond to it (according to Roald Dahl it was an explicit rule that one girl had to die in the old movies).
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Sep 3, 2020 17:02
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I like the part where they want to be seen as being empowering to women by having a woman do karate in high heels.
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Sep 3, 2020 19:25
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Car stunts in modern Bond movies be like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifTIuA8Dq58
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Sep 3, 2020 19:38
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The Human Crouton posted:I like the part where they want to be seen as being empowering to women by having a woman do karate in high heels. Christopher Nolan approves.
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Sep 3, 2020 20:02
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The Human Crouton posted:I like the part where they want to be seen as being empowering to women by having a woman do karate in high heels. Kudos to Ana de Armas' stunt person for selling that shot. Looks pretty average by Bond standards. I'm more interested in how they pulled off some of those action beats (like the motorcycle person getting clotheslined) than the plot. I imagine they're smart enough to not kill off Lashana Lynch but who knows.
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Sep 3, 2020 20:13
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I think everyone who's ever watched a Bond movie is more interested in the stunts than the plot
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Sep 3, 2020 20:36
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Wrong. It’s the gadgets.
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Sep 3, 2020 20:38
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For me Bond is about the locations. It's basically a travelogue series and that's what I love most about it.
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Sep 3, 2020 20:40
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Movie looks like a banger. Hope I get to see it someday!
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Wrong. It’s the gadgets. I like it when they're more restrained with the gadgets, I'm more in it for the wish fulfillment aspects, the globetrotting and the luxury goods porn and yes, the women. The action is a cool and necessary piece of it but every action movie/franchise has action. Bond has those establishing shots of some stunning exotic vista where the orchestra swells and brings back the motif from the opening credits theme as he arrives at some new place where only fancy people are allowed and then he rocks all the coolest most expensive cars and suits and watches and has sex with gorgeous women and does it all with trademark charm and panache. He's a superhero whose powers are (a) being very lucky and (b) making every woman he meets want to gently caress him the moment they lay eyes on him (in most cases they actually fall fully in love with him at first sight but some are particularly resistant and just want to bang). I am extremely here for that poo poo. Give me all that toxic masculinity in one oddly appealing package.
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Sep 8, 2020 19:36
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Say what you will about Moonraker, but when my five-year-old son asked to watch a Bond film, it was the only possible choice. (He loved it.)
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Payndz posted:Say what you will about Moonraker, but when my five-year-old son asked to watch a Bond film, it was the only possible choice. (He loved it.) Even as as kid, I hated it (but absolutely loved Thunderball due to water and sharks and jetpacks and stuff).
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Payndz posted:Say what you will about Moonraker, but when my five-year-old son asked to watch a Bond film, it was the only possible choice. (He loved it.) That exact situation happened when I was about that age. I distinctly remember asking my dad to let me watch a Bind movie and he said to my mom “I guess Moonraker is probably alright.” I kinda bounced off of it but I loved Live and Let Die for some reason. Anyway I hope the next Bond is bisexual.
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The first three Bond movies my parents showed me were Dr. No because it was the first one and they thought they should start there, Moonraker because I loved Star Wars and space stuff, and License To Kill because it was the most recent one to come out at the time. I hated all three! Dr. No is so slow, I like it as an adult but it couldn't hold my 8 year old attention span, Moonraker was clearly worse space stuff than Star Wars, and LTK was way too violent. I still have a weird fear of that scene where Robert Davi blows the guy's head up in the pressure chamber, that was by far the most horrifying thing I had ever seen in a movie at the time, and I'm still absolutely terrified of the scene to this day even though it really isn't that bad all things considered.
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Sep 10, 2020 20:13
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Coffee And Pie posted:Anyway I hope the next Bond is pansexual.
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Sep 10, 2020 20:18
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https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1304049905711943680
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Coffee And Pie posted:That exact situation happened when I was about that age. I distinctly remember asking my dad to let me watch a Bind movie and he said to my mom “I guess Moonraker is probably alright.” Except that when I asked my son what his favourite bit was, he proclaimed "When the baddie scientists got killed!" (ie, the two guys who get nerve-gassed in the lab in Venice and die screaming and clawing helplessly at the glass). Thanks, kid.
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I cannot for the life of me remember my first Bond for certain but I'd guess it was Goldeneye because I was born in '88 and Goldnee on the N64 was the hottest poo poo ever in 1997/1998. As such I had to see the movie too. Like many I was confused about how you have to minimize scientist casualties in the game but the first thing they do in the film is murder some random scientist. I know I in particular was confused by Natalya not being in any of the other movies. Bond ended up with her at the end so why didn't she come back? I legit asked this of my grandmother. I was so young and innocent and stupid. I guess 10 is pretty different from 5, though. I dunno if I'd show this to my GF's little girl who is turning 5 this year.
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Sep 10, 2020 21:32
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I think I really connected to the Bond series with the Pierce Brosnan ones, I think The World is Not Enough had just come out when I was starting to get into it. Die Another Day was my first one I saw in theaters though 
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Sep 10, 2020 21:42
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5 is pretty young for Bond, and I say this as someone whose favorite movie at 5* was Terminator 2 *I was actually probably 6
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Coffee And Pie posted:I think I really connected to the Bond series with the Pierce Brosnan ones, I think The World is Not Enough had just come out when I was starting to get into it. Die Another Day was my first one I saw in theaters though This is about the same for me except it was Tomorrow Never Dies and I wanted to see it so bad but my dad ended up seeing it before me and said it sucked and refused to take me lol.
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NikkolasKing posted:I cannot for the life of me remember my first Bond for certain but I'd guess it was Goldeneye because I was born in '88 and Goldnee on the N64 was the hottest poo poo ever in 1997/1998. As such I had to see the movie too. Like many I was confused about how you have to minimize scientist casualties in the game but the first thing they do in the film is murder some random scientist. I distinctly remember the being a shitload of hype for Goldeneye because at that point it had been 7 years since the last one. Anyway despite being 10 at the time I wasn't allowed to see it in the cinema. Owned.
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